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Post by sandypine on Feb 23, 2023 20:18:42 GMT
The Comintern supported all sorts of things done by Stalin and was widely supported by the left. The anti-Comintern were the RWing So.. The Labour Party are supporters of Stalinism? This is just another example of that popular pastime "Everything I Don't Like Is Either Socialism Or Woke". It gets very silly, very quickly - like people who call brexiteers "nazi". It is just you made the point that supporting Putin could not be left wing when in actual fact supporting Stalin was very much left wing and the differences between Stalin and Putin is pretty small. I am not sure why you can make inferences but if anyone else does it it becomes stupid. Labour blew hot and cold with Stalin in the 30s and 40s and managed several volte faces. The trouble is there is a lot of Socialism and woke about that seems part of the determination to control our lives in all aspects relative to freedom. |
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Post by walterpaisley on Feb 23, 2023 21:09:30 GMT
Labour blew hot and cold with Stalin in the 30s and 40s and managed several volte faces. And it would be stupid of me to mention the changing attitudes within the Conservative Party toward Hitler, Franco, Salazar, Pinochet, Apartheid, etc, etc. Because it was decades ago and things have changed. Just as Putin apologists and anti semites within Labour are being given a fast track to the out door, I imagine the tories - much as I can't stand them - are now giving similar short shrift to their members who express admiration for people and regimes that are clearly beyond the pale. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 23, 2023 21:20:55 GMT
This is just another example of that popular pastime "Everything I Don't Like Is Either Socialism Or Woke"... A bit like the left's version:  It gets very silly, very quickly - like people who call brexiteers "nazi". I agree, but yet again:  So sorry Wally, but trying to blame your extremists on literally everyone else just doesn't wash. |
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Post by sandypine on Feb 24, 2023 9:41:50 GMT
Labour blew hot and cold with Stalin in the 30s and 40s and managed several volte faces. And it would be stupid of me to mention the changing attitudes within the Conservative Party toward Hitler, Franco, Salazar, Pinochet, Apartheid, etc, etc. Because it was decades ago and things have changed. Just as Putin apologists and anti semites within Labour are being given a fast track to the out door, I imagine the tories - much as I can't stand them - are now giving similar short shrift to their members who express admiration for people and regimes that are clearly beyond the pale. Well this seems to be the age old problem with the left in that history, when it suits, is to be cast up; when it does not suit it is irrelevant and a long time ago and things have changed. I wish for consistency's sake I knew where that historical line in the sand was whereby history before that is of no consequence and history after that is effectively relevant. Slavery is recent to the left and Stalin a long time ago. |
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Post by sword on Feb 26, 2023 11:17:56 GMT
The Alliance for Peace and Freedom sounds oh so laudable, though. "Patriotic Alternative" sound pretty laudable, too. Hey - they're both "alternative" AND "patriotic" - what could be wrong with that?! Then you see Mark Collet and his ragtag bunch of Nazis, nutters, fantasists and Hitler-lovers behind them, and all of a sudden they're not quite so wholesome. (Oh, and they're obviously foursquare behind Putin, as if you couldn't guess..) I don't know if they support Putin or not,if they do thats not Putins fault,i know we support real Nazis in Ukraine who have carried out their sick tribute act. |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 18, 2023 13:40:23 GMT
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 19, 2023 10:15:01 GMT
As I've said before, the left stand for control: They want to control every aspect of our lives, which they seek to achieve via divide and conquer. Their previous tactic was class war but now it's identity politics since the class argument lost traction. And, like their predecessors, they need an enemy: The communists blamed the middle class, the fascists blamed foreigners, the Nazis blamed the Jews and Labour blame “Racists/The Rich/White privilege” to smear anyone that disagrees with them. It's a collectivist, totalitarian ideology as ever supported by useful idiots who actually believe that some form of equality is being achieved
And that's the BNP's MO all over: They are left wing.
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Post by thomas on Mar 19, 2023 10:23:45 GMT
As I've said before, the left stand for control: They want to control every aspect of our lives, which they seek to achieve via divide and conquer. Their previous tactic was class war but now it's identity politics since the class argument lost traction. And, like their predecessors, they need an enemy: The communists blamed the middle class, the fascists blamed foreigners, the Nazis blamed the Jews and Labour blame “Racists/The Rich/White privilege” to smear anyone that disagrees with them. It's a collectivist, totalitarian ideology as ever supported by useful idiots who actually believe that some form of equality is being achieved
And that's the BNP's MO all over: They are left wing.
I always thought the BNP were regarded as a far right party , with the confusion about where their politics lie because they are socially right wing but economically left wing?
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Post by Vinny on Mar 19, 2023 10:37:06 GMT
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Post by thomas on Mar 19, 2023 10:57:03 GMT
ah ok vinny. Obviously in kipper cloud cuckoo land , the bnp are left wing communists and everyone calling them far right are completely wrong.
I bow , once again , to your superior knowledge and wisdom.
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Post by Vinny on Mar 19, 2023 10:59:36 GMT
Kipper? What are you talking about?
If you mean the UK Independence Party, I was never a member.
I've never been a member of any party, I won't allow myself to narrow my voting choices.
I look at every manifesto and go by whoever is the least worst option.
As for Nick Griffin he was influenced by the ideas of the Strasser brothers (one of whom was killed in the night of the long knives), and also by National Bolshevism.
He advocates racist socialism.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 19, 2023 11:06:32 GMT
I always thought the BNP were regarded as a far right party I was going to say: "Regarded as such by whom, exactly?" but you've answered that: (wiki) Many academic historians and political scientists have described the BNP as a far-right party,[123] or as an extreme-right party. Ah yes, academic historians and "political scientists", whatever they are. (wiki) As the political scientist Matthew Goodwin used it, the term referred to "a particular form of political ideology that is defined by two anti-constitutional and anti-democratic elements: first, right-wing extremists are extremist because they reject or undermine the values, procedures and institutions of the democratic constitutional state; As do the far left. (wiki) and second they are right-wing because they reject the principle of fundamental human equality As do the far left. As I said: They all need their enemies, people who are in some sense less. So no, I'm not seeing the difference because there isn't one. The BNP are the same as all the other collectivist extremists: They are far left. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 19, 2023 11:08:45 GMT
Kipper? What are you talking about? what you arent an extreme hardcore brit nat brexiter? Who knew? |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 19, 2023 11:09:19 GMT
I'm a democrat, unlike you, SNAT.
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Post by thomas on Mar 19, 2023 11:09:51 GMT
I always thought the BNP were regarded as a far right party I was going to say: "Regarded as such by whom, exactly?" but you've answered that: (wiki) Many academic historians and political scientists have described the BNP as a far-right party,[123] or as an extreme-right party. Ah yes, academic historians and "political scientists", whatever they are. (wiki) As the political scientist Matthew Goodwin used it, the term referred to "a particular form of political ideology that is defined by two anti-constitutional and anti-democratic elements: first, right-wing extremists are extremist because they reject or undermine the values, procedures and institutions of the democratic constitutional state; As do the far left. (wiki) and second they are right-wing because they reject the principle of fundamental human equality As do the far left. As I said: They all need their enemies, people who are in some sense less. So no, I'm not seeing the difference because there isn't one. The BNP are the same as all the other collectivist extremists: They are far left. im merely offering an observation as to what ive always read the brit nat BNP are defined as.......socially far right , economically left. How you personally define them is up to you of course. |
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