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Post by Vinny on Feb 16, 2023 13:09:46 GMT
When the General Post Office or GPO ran the phones there was a six month waiting list, and some people had to put up with what was called a "party" line, in which two homes would share the same line and could listen in on each other.
Privatisation dramatically improved telecoms.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2023 13:47:18 GMT
Centrica's profits are all coming out of the pockets of the ordinary people, many of them pensioners struggling to make ends meet. Covid - the poor get poorer and the rich get richer. Energy Crisis -the poor get poorer and the rich get richer. Bring on the next crisis for the sake of the idle rich! I have to laugh, many people who now moan about this are the same people who voted for Thatcher and every other Tory Government since, then when we get someone like Corbyn who would have brought these Companies back under State control the same people slag the guy off and work to bring him down, sorry but they asked for what they have got. So you quoted me to talk about something else. OK. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2023 13:49:57 GMT
Here in the Northeast of England, I can remember the days before the privatisation of out utillities
Our electricity supplier was the North Eastern Electricity Board or "NEEB", and our gas was supplied by Northern Gas.
These state owned utillity companies ploughed profits back into investment and infastructure, so much so that EVERY town had an electricity board shop, and a gas board shop, helping to keep our high streets viable, and providing a valuable service to the customer.
In the local shops you could pay your bills, have face to face contact, buy a cooker or a washing machine, report faults and discuss payment plans.
Our gas boards and electricity boards were a One Stop - One Shop service, and most towns had a local depot with workshops, these were the days when local gas and electricity was actually LOCAL, helping to keep the local economy going.
Privatisation brought absolutely no benefits what so ever to the consumor or to local economies up and down the country. Service is poorer, prices are higher, you cannot get to speak to anyone, we hang on the end of a phone line for hours listening to music whilst intermittently a voice tells you that "your call is important to us".
HOWEVER ... SOME people have benefitted ... shareholders, overseas funds and companies, fat cats, directors and executives.
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Post by jonksy on Feb 16, 2023 13:58:34 GMT
When the General Post Office or GPO ran the phones there was a six month waiting list, and some people had to put up with what was called a "party" line, in which two homes would share the same line and could listen in on each other. Privatisation dramatically improved telecoms. Those were the early days when you could phone these companies and actully speak to an individual untill all these so called call centres were moved to nogland with thier plastic music and choices and not be told the bullshit that troubles could be resolved on the net over and over...And when eventully you do get through both the caller and those who answer do not speak the same lingo.
Sorry about the spelling errors my dyslexia has kicked in big time today...
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Post by bancroft on Feb 16, 2023 13:59:10 GMT
Here in the Northeast of England, I can remember the days before the privatisation of out utillities Our electricity supplier was the North Eastern Electricity Board or "NEEB", and our gas was supplied by Northern Gas. These state owned utillity companies ploughed profits back into investment and infastructure, so much so that EVERY town had an electricity board shop, and a gas board shop, helping to keep our high streets viable, and providing a valuable service to the customer. In the local shops you could pay your bills, have face to face contact, buy a cooker or a washing machine, report faults and discuss payment plans. Our gas boards and electricity boards were a One Stop - One Shop service, and most towns had a local depot with workshops, these were the days when local gas and electricity was actually LOCAL, helping to keep the local economy going. Privatisation brought absolutely no benefits what so ever to the consumor or to local economies up and down the country. Service is poorer, prices are higher, you cannot get to speak to anyone, we hang on the end of a phone line for hours listening to music whilst intermittently a voice tells you that "your call is important to us". HOWEVER ... SOME people have benefitted ... shareholders, overseas funds and companies, fat cats, directors and executives. It's globalisation as these services have international investors who are not interested in funding repairs and replacing obsolete infrastructure and this is why we have a lot of sewage being released in to rivers and seas at times. Sure we can fine them yet will they then stump up the cash for funding replacing old pipes etc.? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 16, 2023 14:04:03 GMT
Here in the Northeast of England, I can remember the days before the privatisation of out utillities Our electricity supplier was the North Eastern Electricity Board or "NEEB", and our gas was supplied by Northern Gas. These state owned utillity companies ploughed profits back into investment and infastructure, so much so that EVERY town had an electricity board shop, and a gas board shop, helping to keep our high streets viable, and providing a valuable service to the customer. In the local shops you could pay your bills, have face to face contact, buy a cooker or a washing machine, report faults and discuss payment plans. Our gas boards and electricity boards were a One Stop - One Shop service, and most towns had a local depot with workshops, these were the days when local gas and electricity was actually LOCAL, helping to keep the local economy going. Privatisation brought absolutely no benefits what so ever to the consumor or to local economies up and down the country. Service is poorer, prices are higher, you cannot get to speak to anyone, we hang on the end of a phone line for hours listening to music whilst intermittently a voice tells you that "your call is important to us". HOWEVER ... SOME people have benefitted ... shareholders, overseas funds and companies, fat cats, directors and executives. It's globalisation as these services have international investors who are not interested in funding repairs and replacing obsolete infrastructure and this is why we have a lot of sewage being released in to rivers and seas at times. Sure we can fine them yet will they then stump up the cash for funding replacing old pipes etc. Cutting corners, they don't want to invest they just want the profits, using the sea/rivers as sewage dumping grounds to save money should actually be a criminal offense, they shrug off a million in fines because it's still more cost effective than investing in upgrading facilities. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 16, 2023 14:51:32 GMT
When the General Post Office or GPO ran the phones there was a six month waiting list, and some people had to put up with what was called a "party" line, in which two homes would share the same line and could listen in on each other. Privatisation dramatically improved telecoms. One of the more interesting things it exposed was the demand by the new BT for minimum standards on certain aspects of phone construction and so on in competitor products to a standard that far exceeded sny of their own shit. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2023 15:08:34 GMT
Interesting to note that posters of the Right agree with posters of the Left on SOME aspects of privatisation, reinforcing my personal view that it is non-political, but more common sense.
Wholesale privatisation of everything is as bad as wholesale nationalisation of everything, its political dogma, which belongs to the hard Left of the Labour Party, and the ultra-Conservatives, who believe in a "free for all".
Industry, as in production, manufacturing etc, is generally best left in the hands of private enterprise
Our essential utillities ( water, gas, electicity ) and public transport and front line services are best left in state hands.
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Post by sword on Feb 16, 2023 16:24:49 GMT
I have to laugh, many people who now moan about this are the same people who voted for Thatcher and every other Tory Government since, then when we get someone like Corbyn who would have brought these Companies back under State control the same people slag the guy off and work to bring him down, sorry but they asked for what they have got. So you quoted me to talk about something else. OK. I am talking about British Gas taking us for a ride like the other privatised utilities,thats what you were complaining about,you are probably one of those responsible with your voting history,maybe someone told you about Sid and you bought some shares? |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 16, 2023 16:29:27 GMT
When the General Post Office or GPO ran the phones there was a six month waiting list, and some people had to put up with what was called a "party" line, in which two homes would share the same line and could listen in on each other. Privatisation dramatically improved telecoms. One of the more interesting things it exposed was the demand by the new BT for minimum standards on certain aspects of phone construction and so on in competitor products to a standard that far exceeded sny of their own shit. Correct, it vastly improved the service for the customer. Another example of beneficial privatisation was the re privatisation of long distance road freight in 1951. In 1947 Labour had nationalised road freight, their policy was an absolute shambles. Re privatising road freight improved competition, delivery times, and improved prices for the customer. Labour never made that mistake again. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2023 16:34:46 GMT
So you quoted me to talk about something else. OK. I am talking about British Gas taking us for a ride like the other privatised utilities,thats what you were complaining about,you are probably one of those responsible with your voting history,maybe someone told you about Sid and you bought some shares? Centrica are certainly taking us for fools. Corbyn tried to but we saw through his manifesto. There, we can talk about how great Corbyn isn't, if you like. I'll start - his beloved Labour party ousted him because he's a no good anti-Semite. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 16, 2023 18:08:30 GMT
When the General Post Office or GPO ran the phones there was a six month waiting list, and some people had to put up with what was called a "party" line, in which two homes would share the same line and could listen in on each other. Privatisation dramatically improved telecoms. I remember when we were first allowed to buy a telephone rather than having to rent one from the GPO - and then they allowed other manufacturers phones to connect to the network - exciting times..  |
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Post by Orac on Feb 16, 2023 18:22:26 GMT
Tell the young people about that today and they wont believe you
- they actually wont
IIRC an engineer would arrive and install your telephone.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 16, 2023 18:32:22 GMT
Interesting to note that posters of the Right agree with posters of the Left on SOME aspects of privatisation, reinforcing my personal view that it is non-political, but more common sense. Wholesale privatisation of everything is as bad as wholesale nationalisation of everything, its political dogma, which belongs to the hard Left of the Labour Party, and the ultra-Conservatives, who believe in a "free for all". Industry, as in production, manufacturing etc, is generally best left in the hands of private enterprise Our essential utillities ( water, gas, electicity ) and public transport and front line services are best left in state hands.
Millennials today couldnt cope if the State was running those organisations. People back then had gone through a war so were happy with whatever service was offered. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 16, 2023 19:09:47 GMT
One of the more interesting things it exposed was the demand by the new BT for minimum standards on certain aspects of phone construction and so on in competitor products to a standard that far exceeded sny of their own shit. Correct, it vastly improved the service for the customer. Another example of beneficial privatisation was the re privatisation of long distance road freight in 1951. In 1947 Labour had nationalised road freight, their policy was an absolute shambles. Re privatising road freight improved competition, delivery times, and improved prices for the customer. Labour never made that mistake again. Well I’m not convinced it ‘vastly’ improved. I suppose it all depends. My personal experience of pre-privatisation Post Office Telephones was a zero day wait for installation at my flat, and a minimal rental surcharge for the pushbutton trimphone. Post privatisation i had a three month wait for an installation, endless ranting calls from angry customers of the fly by night company that had the number i was allocated by BT which they recycled after the scum did a moonlight flit, and shitloads of spam calls. Their prices increased year on year snd they found every excuse to jack tbe phone rental and call charges up. The old ‘Mercury Button’ to route your call to Mercurys cheaper network was the kick up the arse they SO badly needed |
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