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Post by dodgydave on Feb 22, 2023 14:26:28 GMT
You really don't get it do you? You can't base your politics on taking the moral high ground then go around using hate speech and making disgusting jokes about your "ginger growler" and then lie about it! In this case, she was outed as using hostile language several times in a period when a Tory MP had been stabbed to death. She isn't saying she disagree with Tory policy and arguing for a different way of doing things (like a grown up would). Her language is designed to dehumanise the Tories. She is literally doing the same thing she accuses the Tories of doing when they talk about immigration. According to the information I have read so far, she was not dehumanising the Tories, she was dehumanising Boris and his team. In which case the dehumanising the Tories line is nothing more than disgusting Tory propaganda. Similar to the dishonest distortion of Brown's 'British jobs for British workers' comment. Stop defending hate speech just because it is hate speech that you agree with ffs. She played the victim during growler gate, let everybody rally around her, even got the speaker to haul in a newspaper editor... and made them look complete idiots when the newspaper editor provided proof that the story was real... and she was the fucking source of it because she told dirty jokes on a Westminster smoking balcony!! |
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Post by ratcliff on Feb 22, 2023 18:27:41 GMT
Nope but afaik the greedy Tory who blagged the duck house didn’t whine about greedy Labour MPs. The duck house claim (which shouldn't have been made) was disallowed if you read the link Ducks were homeless ! |
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Post by see2 on Feb 22, 2023 18:38:49 GMT
According to the information I have read so far, she was not dehumanising the Tories, she was dehumanising Boris and his team. In which case the dehumanising the Tories line is nothing more than disgusting Tory propaganda. Similar to the dishonest distortion of Brown's 'British jobs for British workers' comment. Stop defending hate speech just because it is hate speech that you agree with ffs. She played the victim during growler gate, let everybody rally around her, even got the speaker to haul in a newspaper editor... and made them look complete idiots when the newspaper editor provided proof that the story was real... and she was the fucking source of it because she told dirty jokes on a Westminster smoking balcony!! Don't be ridiculous, I am not defending hate speech, I'm just looking for the honest facts of the matter. Which is extremely difficult once Tory propaganda gets a grip. IIRC her joke was in response to something a Tory who MP made a comment and she was attempting to turn the situation into a joke, then the crap Tory propaganda stepped in. I'll answer the rest later its time for me to go out. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 22, 2023 18:55:03 GMT
According to the information I have read so far, she was not dehumanising the Tories, she was dehumanising Boris and his team. In which case the dehumanising the Tories line is nothing more than disgusting Tory propaganda. Similar to the dishonest distortion of Brown's 'British jobs for British workers' comment. . . . Yes she called scum 'scum'. Maybe you should look at what scummy MP Chris Clarkson was doing at the time. Acting like scum How else would you call someone who abuses the libel immunity privileges of the house to launch an attack on a Mayor who has no right of reply in that house? |
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Post by Steve on Feb 22, 2023 18:57:22 GMT
Johnson and his cabinet = the Tories LOL Indeed. According to the two apologists what she meant was that a back bencher promoted to minister instantly became scum and when they were demoted to the back benches they weren’t scum anymore . This is the kind of mental gymnastics that the Rayner simps will perform for her. Who said they ceased being a close supporter of racist mysogynist Boris when demoted? No one, do keep up |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 22, 2023 19:04:18 GMT
Indeed. According to the two apologists what she meant was that a back bencher promoted to minister instantly became scum and when they were demoted to the back benches they weren’t scum anymore . This is the kind of mental gymnastics that the Rayner simps will perform for her. Who said they ceased being a close supporter of racist mysogynist Boris when demoted? No one, do keep up What are you on about? If only the cabinet and Boris are scum then those leaving the cabinet will be default not be scum and those who join it are default scum. Anyone with a working brain cell can see that I never said anything about anyone being a close supporter of Boris when demoted . Another fabrication that you hatched up between your ears . |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 22, 2023 19:05:21 GMT
Nope but afaik the greedy Tory who blagged the duck house didn’t whine about greedy Labour MPs. The duck house claim (which shouldn't have been made) was disallowed if you read the link Ducks were homeless ! That’s duck discrimination , that is. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 22, 2023 19:09:55 GMT
Who said they ceased being a close supporter of racist mysogynist Boris when demoted? No one, do keep up What are you on about? If only the cabinet and Boris are scum then those leaving the cabinet will be default not be scum and those who join it are default scum. Anyone with a working brain cell can see that I never said anything about anyone being a close supporter of Boris when demoted . Another fabrication that you hatched up between your ears . oh dear I clearly need to explain in simpler terms She accused those individuals that were then the close supporters of racist mysogynist lying Boris of being scum and frankly it's not an unfair label. There is nothing in that to say those individuals would lose that scum status if they later left because clearly without some contrition or repentance they would be just the same scummy individuals. It was just a way of easily referring to those individuals. Do you really think say Patel has had some road to Damasus-esque change of character? I don't. Those who resigned from the cabinet in disgust as Boris could be said to have done. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 22, 2023 22:05:44 GMT
SHE CALLED A TORY MP SCUM WHILE HE WAS SPEAKING IN THE COMMONS (live on TV)!!!!Stop defending hate speech just because it is hate speech that you agree with ffs. She played the victim during growler gate, let everybody rally around her, even got the speaker to haul in a newspaper editor... and made them look complete idiots when the newspaper editor provided proof that the story was real... and she was the fucking source of it because she told dirty jokes on a Westminster smoking balcony!! Don't be ridiculous, I am not defending hate speech, I'm just looking for the honest facts of the matter. Which is extremely difficult once Tory propaganda gets a grip. IIRC her joke was in response to something a Tory MP said, a comment that she was attempting to turn into a joke, then the crap Tory propaganda stepped in. I'll answer the rest later its time for me to go out. It seems that Steve has answered your final point for me. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 22, 2023 22:24:29 GMT
Come on man, your post is claiming a lie. I have NEVER claimed or insinuated your line __" You are claiming that any Tory MP who becomes a minister is automatically defined as scum and is for life whereas a Tory MP who stats on the backbench is not."__ I have made my position abundantly clear that the reference I'm referring to is the limited number of people who formed the government when the comment was made. So stop resorting to lies, and stop wasting my time. You should read your own posts . I have been pointing out flaws in the claim that her words are restricted to certain members of government .You posted this..” The individual members of the government referred to, remain "scum" in terms of the comment aimed at them, for ever, no matter where they are, even after they leave parliament.” This is a new reality constructed inside you head . You need help. 1. You have been imposing your opinions as if they were facts. You definitely need help. 2. Read what I posted ^^^ it means the government that it referred to, not the next government or anyone else. If you are being serious then you definitely need help, if you are just WUM-ing it up, then you need to stfu. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 23, 2023 10:57:03 GMT
What are you on about? If only the cabinet and Boris are scum then those leaving the cabinet will be default not be scum and those who join it are default scum. Anyone with a working brain cell can see that I never said anything about anyone being a close supporter of Boris when demoted . Another fabrication that you hatched up between your ears . oh dear I clearly need to explain in simpler terms She accused those individuals that were then the close supporters of racist mysogynist lying Boris of being scum and frankly it's not an unfair label. There is nothing in that to say those individuals would lose that scum status if they later left because clearly without some contrition or repentance they would be just the same scummy individuals. It was just a way of easily referring to those individuals. Do you really think say Patel has had some road to Damasus-esque change of character? I don't. Those who resigned from the cabinet in disgust as Boris could be said to have done. Oh dear I clearly need to explain in simpler terms . She called the Tory government scum . By calling the Tory government scum she must include all Tory MPs , for reasons that I carefully explained in earlier posts By calling the Tory government scum she is insulting the voters who elected them thus she is insulting Tory voters . Your post is merely a pretence of mind reading and pathetic excuses for your political idol. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 23, 2023 10:58:16 GMT
You should read your own posts . I have been pointing out flaws in the claim that her words are restricted to certain members of government .You posted this..” The individual members of the government referred to, remain "scum" in terms of the comment aimed at them, for ever, no matter where they are, even after they leave parliament.” This is a new reality constructed inside you head . You need help. 1. You have been imposing your opinions as if they were facts. You definitely need help. 2. Read what I posted ^^^ it means the government that it referred to, not the next government or anyone else. If you are being serious then you definitely need help, if you are just WUM-ing it up, then you need to stfu. Stop posting waffle. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 23, 2023 11:05:50 GMT
oh dear I clearly need to explain in simpler terms She accused those individuals that were then the close supporters of racist mysogynist lying Boris of being scum and frankly it's not an unfair label. There is nothing in that to say those individuals would lose that scum status if they later left because clearly without some contrition or repentance they would be just the same scummy individuals. It was just a way of easily referring to those individuals. Do you really think say Patel has had some road to Damasus-esque change of character? I don't. Those who resigned from the cabinet in disgust as Boris could be said to have done. Oh dear I clearly need to explain in simpler terms . She called the Tory government scum . By calling the Tory government scum she must include all Tory MPs , for reasons that I carefully explained in earlier posts By calling the Tory government scum she is insulting the voters who elected them thus she is insulting Tory voters . Your post is merely a pretence of mind reading and pathetic excuses for your political idol. As previously explained a back bencher with no executive power is NOT the government. Your fabrications about my supposed political idols just shows you've run out of honest arguments again. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 23, 2023 12:21:39 GMT
Oh dear I clearly need to explain in simpler terms . She called the Tory government scum . By calling the Tory government scum she must include all Tory MPs , for reasons that I carefully explained in earlier posts By calling the Tory government scum she is insulting the voters who elected them thus she is insulting Tory voters . Your post is merely a pretence of mind reading and pathetic excuses for your political idol. As previously explained a back bencher with no executive power is NOT the government. Your fabrications about my supposed political idols just shows you've run out of honest arguments again. As previously explained , if they are not included then we would have a bizarre and ridiculous situation where a cabinet minister would cease to be scum if they returned to the back benches and a back bencher would immediately become scum if they were promoted. Anyone who had a single brain cell would realise that you are willing to accept that bizarre and ridiculous situation as truth because you are willing to make pathetic excuses for your political idol and have run out of honest arguments again. But keep digging. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 23, 2023 12:35:53 GMT
No because as previously explained in simple terms they would still be scum unless they repented or showed contrition. Just leaving the cabinet would not cut it
I'm sure you understand that but are just in WUM mode again.
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