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Post by see2 on Feb 21, 2023 9:07:35 GMT
LIAR. Shame on you for repeating a lie even after explanation, but thank you for exposing your nastiness and your immaturity to forum readers. Your own nastiness in the form of lies and smears against other members, whilst wrapped in a cloak of imagined infallibility which you also wrap around New Labour, tends to expose you for the biased tool you are. Your own words expose you for what you are far more effectively than anyone else's ever could, You are an obvious fragile ego engaged in supercharged projection, attributing to others what is most marked about yourself. And you obviously lack the insight to ever see it. It is everyone else who is an extremist or a hard this or hard that, Everyone else but you who is biased. Everyone else a liar, or a fool or a child. You need to look at yourself a little bit more. Your relationship to New Labour seems to be that of a cult member. We can all see that except you. Only in the mind of a disappointed hard-Left's imagination. And just because your failed position cannot accept the price of failure. You definitely need to mature a lot before you think of continuing to make-up any more of your lying accusations about me and NL. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 21, 2023 9:12:53 GMT
If the picture shown was the back of a Labour membership card that shows I am wrong I will apologise. I will without reserve apologise FOR MAKING A MISTAKE. Not for lying as you so lyingly, claim. Any intelligent individual would know that to lie in an attempt to win a point, as you do about myself and about NL, is a fool especially when they persist in telling the lies, as you do, instead of apologising, as I am more than willing to do. For me its just a learning curve, for you its all about your hard-left position. Almost all of the shit and lies you post about myself and New Labour has nothing to do with politics, its all about your hard-left politics appearing to be pushed aside and Moderate Labour taking control. Your reactions say so much about your extreme Hard-Left position. Well that epic rant containing the usual lies about me belongs in the bin marked "shite" and then forgotten about Of course, because the truth is too difficult for you to deal with. Time for you to grow up. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 21, 2023 19:47:51 GMT
The Border Force might as well buy a ferry, meet them at Calais and start charging 10k a trip........Well the Government need to do what they said they would do, Fast track them out of the country. The Hotels are full and we have no money left. Dozens more migrants arrive in Dover as group including toddler and three young children are first to cross Channel by boat in nearly a week despite cold and foggy sea conditions.
Border Force vessel Hurricane intercepted dozens of people, including children They are first to reach the UK since February 15, when 69 were brought ashore www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11776499/Dozens-migrants-arrive-Dover-including-toddler-three-young-children.html |
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Post by Steve on Feb 21, 2023 20:45:45 GMT
That Brexit cancellation of our return to France rights looks dumber every day doesn't it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 21:10:19 GMT
Your own nastiness in the form of lies and smears against other members, whilst wrapped in a cloak of imagined infallibility which you also wrap around New Labour, tends to expose you for the biased tool you are. Your own words expose you for what you are far more effectively than anyone else's ever could, You are an obvious fragile ego engaged in supercharged projection, attributing to others what is most marked about yourself. And you obviously lack the insight to ever see it. It is everyone else who is an extremist or a hard this or hard that, Everyone else but you who is biased. Everyone else a liar, or a fool or a child. You need to look at yourself a little bit more. Your relationship to New Labour seems to be that of a cult member. We can all see that except you. Only in the mind of a disappointed hard-Left's imagination. And just because your failed position cannot accept the price of failure. You definitely need to mature a lot before you think of continuing to make-up any more of your lying accusations about me and NL. Your very words are risible and pathetic, seeing any and all criticism of your beloved cult of New Labour as outrageous lies. The rest of us are still laughing at you. I for one have not told any lies about your beloved New Labour, just the brutal truth. You of course repeatedly lie about me, calling me an extremist and hard left, which even the Tories here can mostly see to be dishonest smears. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 21:14:41 GMT
Well that epic rant containing the usual lies about me belongs in the bin marked "shite" and then forgotten about Of course, because the truth is too difficult for you to deal with. Time for you to grow up. You need to educate yourself about psychology, paying particular note to psychological defence mechanisms employed in defence of fragile egos, particularly projection. Because much of what you say about me and others is truest of all about yourself. There are few here who need to grow up more than you, judging by your performances of the last few days |
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Post by see2 on Feb 21, 2023 21:53:45 GMT
Only in the mind of a disappointed hard-Left's imagination. And just because your failed position cannot accept the price of failure. You definitely need to mature a lot before you think of continuing to make-up any more of your lying accusations about me and NL. Your very words are risible and pathetic, seeing any and all criticism of your beloved cult of New Labour as outrageous lies. The rest of us are still laughing at you. I for one have not told any lies about your beloved New Labour, just the brutal truth. You of course repeatedly lie about me, calling me an extremist and hard left, which even the Tories here can mostly see to be dishonest smears. "seeing any and all criticism of your beloved cult of New Labour as outrageous lies." That is itself an outrageous lie. "I for one have not told any lies about your beloved New Labour, just the brutal truth". You accuse NL of waging an illegal war in Iraq, and that's a lie. And I don't see you giving NL praise for all the good things they did. I modified 'extremist' to the 'less moderate' some time ago, that does not alter the extreme way you hold the beliefs you hold, which is a separate call. Hard left is a reasonable description of your position, you are certainly not moderate left. Two points. In jumping on the right-wing anti-NL band wagon, you are adding harm to the Labour movement. Because others will will use that against Labour as a whole. IMO, the hard-left is full of its own goodness of intent, if it is to defeat the 'enemy' it has to understand the enemy. Just knowing who you are isn't enough, just knowing your own aims has taken your eyes of the opposition. This goes further than just arguing against the opposition, it means recognising their strengths and attacking their strengths which is often more subtle than just open verbal battle. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 21, 2023 22:00:27 GMT
Of course, because the truth is too difficult for you to deal with. Time for you to grow up. You need to educate yourself about psychology, paying particular note to psychological defence mechanisms employed in defence of fragile egos, particularly projection. Because much of what you say about me and others is truest of all about yourself. There are few here who need to grow up more than you, judging by your performances of the last few days I don't need any proof of your lack of knowledge of Psychology especially as you cannot see how you have just projected your weaknesses onto me. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 21, 2023 22:03:28 GMT
You need to educate yourself about psychology, paying particular note to psychological defence mechanisms employed in defence of fragile egos, particularly projection. Because much of what you say about me and others is truest of all about yourself. There are few here who need to grow up more than you, judging by your performances of the last few days I don't need any proof of your lack of knowledge of Psychology especially as you cannot see how you have just projected your weaknesses onto me. 😂😂😂😂 |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 22:10:45 GMT
That Brexit cancellation of our return to France rights looks dumber every day doesn't it. How many people were returned to France prior to Brexit, Steve? |
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Post by Toreador on Feb 21, 2023 22:14:57 GMT
That Brexit cancellation of our return to France rights looks dumber every day doesn't it. How many people were returned to France prior to Brexit, Steve? Not many according to the crowds I saw around Calais on several return trips. When Calais got a bit hot they starterd creeping out to the other ferry ports. I used to drive with doors locked and hit the hooter if I came upon any of them trying to board vehicles. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 21, 2023 22:19:06 GMT
That Brexit cancellation of our return to France rights looks dumber every day doesn't it. How many people were returned to France prior to Brexit, Steve? Less than 10% of those we requested that France accept. More concerning was that the Dublin Regulation inflow to the UK in the year 2018 was nearly six times the outflow. Leaving the Dublin Regulation was a smart move. We could only send trivial amounts back to France but had to accept even more from the rest of Europe. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 21, 2023 22:25:22 GMT
That Brexit cancellation of our return to France rights looks dumber every day doesn't it. How many people were returned to France prior to Brexit, Steve? More than have gone to Rwanda or are to go to Rwanda under that agreement The point is that it deterred people getting into boats in anything like the numbers have been since we left |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 22:25:49 GMT
You need to educate yourself about psychology, paying particular note to psychological defence mechanisms employed in defence of fragile egos, particularly projection. Because much of what you say about me and others is truest of all about yourself. There are few here who need to grow up more than you, judging by your performances of the last few days I don't need any proof of your lack of knowledge of Psychology especially as you cannot see how you have just projected your weaknesses onto me. You are doing it again, lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 22:29:41 GMT
That’s right See2 . Tell outright lies and project your lying at the ones that found you out . Its your thing 😊  you're an idiot, its impossible to take you seriously but you are good for a laugh, keep it up The only one everyone is laughing at in this thread is you. |
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