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Post by Steve on Feb 19, 2023 1:17:32 GMT
What's supposedly wrong with Labour being a socialist party?
All that means is they demand the country is managed for the benefit of all the people and not the few
While all Marxism is Socialism that doesn't mean all Socialism is Marxism (ownership of means of production)
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 19, 2023 7:49:27 GMT
fill your boots..  That as far as I can see IS NOT THE FRONT OF A LABOUR PARTY MEBERSHIP CARD. I know - I never claimed otherwise. Just accept you have made a fool of yourself and everyone on the forum is laughing at you and move on. |
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Post by thomas on Feb 19, 2023 9:37:51 GMT
Ive known steve SRB online for many years , and while i disagree with him on many political subjects , and have had my fallings out with him , the idea he is some sort of "hard left" extremist is just yet more of the absolute pish your post on this forum.
You couldnt get a more balanced informed poster on politics , who graces any forum he posts on . He backed Corbyn and argued for him after he left. What's your take on Corbyn? Do you agree with him when he posts lies about New Labour? Whats my take on corbyn? Not interested in corbyn , as im not a labour supporter.
Interestingly keir starmer was running around calling jeremy corbyn his friend one minute , then the next slagging corbyn off to jewish groups. Showing of course how much starmer cannot be trusted on any issue.
What i will say about steve srb is while i didnt support jeremy corbyn , steve srb has it spot on regarding new new labour and keir starmer. So when srb posts the truth about new labour , he has it spot on.
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Post by thomas on Feb 19, 2023 9:49:38 GMT
Ive known steve SRB online for many years , and while i disagree with him on many political subjects , and have had my fallings out with him , the idea he is some sort of "hard left" extremist is just yet more of the absolute pish your post on this forum.
You couldnt get a more balanced informed poster on politics , who graces any forum he posts on .
Sorry, but...  fair enough. We all have our opinions on each other , and likes and dislikes , you and srb are on the opposite side of the universe from each other politically.
Its just funny listening to a new labour supporter like see 2 continually slag off an "old labour " supporter like srb steve. I have no idea why the english left give new labour the time of day .
New labour won elections under blair by holding the old left as it were across the yookay while gaining support of tory marginals in middle england. They are going to find that extremely difficult this time around continually slagging off the progressive left .
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Post by jonksy on Feb 19, 2023 19:08:47 GMT
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Post by jonksy on Feb 19, 2023 19:12:36 GMT
˄ ˄ ˄ They should have just put it 6 foot under....Problem solved.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2023 19:49:11 GMT
fill your boots.. That as far as I can see IS NOT THE FRONT OF A LABOUR PARTY MEBERSHIP CARD. It is a piece of Labour propaganda. So you have just made an idiot of yourself and of those taken in by your nonsense. No, it is the rear of one. Does that not count? Absolutely pathetic. And your obvious desire to project onto others your own stupidity when exposed makes you a sad and sorry figure indeed. |
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Post by dodgydave on Feb 19, 2023 23:04:42 GMT
The Labour Party contains both Social Democrats and Democratic Socialists.
These two positions are a world apart, and is why they normally do so badly at the polls.
It is also why there is such massive confusion as to what a "socialist" actually is.
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Post by Steve on Feb 20, 2023 1:27:26 GMT
The Labour Party contains both Social Democrats and Democratic Socialists. These two positions are a world apart, and is why they normally do so badly at the polls. It is also why there is such massive confusion as to what a "socialist" actually is. Why do you think they are a world apart? Or are you conflating 'Democratic Socialists' with the completely different neo Marxists? |
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Post by dodgydave on Feb 20, 2023 2:42:08 GMT
The Labour Party contains both Social Democrats and Democratic Socialists. These two positions are a world apart, and is why they normally do so badly at the polls. It is also why there is such massive confusion as to what a "socialist" actually is. Why do you think they are a world apart? Or are you conflating 'Democratic Socialists' with the completely different neo Marxists? I'm conflating anything. They have given themselves the label "Democratic Socialists" and choose to single themselves out by their membership of the Socialist Campaign Group. Do you even understand the history of the Labour Party? The Democratic Socialists were barred from the front benches for 30 years. After Corbyn was put on the leadership ballot paper for a joke, and then won, the SD's spent the next two election cycles trying to remove their own leader!! So yes they are world's apart!! Social Democrats = Pro-capitalism. Democratic Socialists = Anti-capitalism. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 20, 2023 5:07:39 GMT
This is happening because ordinary people are not being listened too by our MPs. let the super rich put up with this too and see what happens.........It doesn't help when the government deflects its shortcomings by blaming these people for all the ills that the country is experiencing.........This situation is only going to get worse. The government are to blame. People are fed up.........Enough is enough, Britain has finite space and ability to support the population and that limit has been passed! As a peaceful protest over a migrant hotel by worried locals is hijacked by extremists and descends into violence, SUE REID visits the aftermath in Knowsley, Merseyside and asks... Have we reached immigration boiling point? ![]() ![]() Ten days ago, outside the hotel where asylum seekers were staying, an ugly protest took place lasting long into the nightCherryfield Drive in Kirkby, Merseyside, is not the safest place for a teenage girl to be walking home from school. Belying its cosy name, the busy road passes a shabby shopping centre surrounded by post-war council estates, an ugly concrete bus station where hoody-wearing drug dealers ply their trade and a neon-lit local bar, Brambles, currently offering a £10 Mother’s Day meal out — with ‘strippers’ included in the price. Nearby, in a quieter corner of this fiercely Labour stronghold, is the four-star Suites Hotel. Until the property was requisitioned by the Home Office last year to house 200 male migrants, it was a popular wedding venue with pricey overnight spa stays. Ten days ago, outside this hotel, an ugly protest took place lasting long into the night. It started a little after 6pm on the Friday, with a crowd gathering outside the Suites Hotel as ordinary local people expressed the view that the recent influx of foreign young men poses a danger to their children. www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11769951/SUE-REID-visits-aftermath-Merseyside-asks-reached-immigration-boiling-point.html |
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Post by andrewbrown on Feb 20, 2023 7:49:12 GMT
.........Enough is enough, Britain has finite space and ability to support the population and that limit has been passed! If your main concern is numbers, shouldn't you be far more concerned about legal migration at 500,000 rather than the 10s of thousands of asylum seekers? |
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Post by Toreador on Feb 20, 2023 7:51:31 GMT
.........Enough is enough, Britain has finite space and ability to support the population and that limit has been passed! If your main concern is numbers, shouldn't you be far more concerned about legal migration at 500,000 rather than the 10s of thousands of asylum seekers? Sad that you don't recognise the difference. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 20, 2023 7:55:54 GMT
Don't worry, Liverpool is only the first of many parts of the country where people are fed up of housing bums in hotels, at the huge cost to the taxpayers It's odd that none of the establishment's rent-a-mob are around. My guess is that they don't want to upset the Labour supporters who are against the Conservative government's incompetence over this specific issue. The far-Right (and the far-Left) are extremists. they are out on the fringes of politics. They are not ordinary people, i.e. 'normal' people. They can only reach these extremist positions because of their emotional needs or their use of stunted logic or by indoctrination. They will no doubt fool themselves into thinking that they are ordinary people. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 20, 2023 7:56:10 GMT
.........Enough is enough, Britain has finite space and ability to support the population and that limit has been passed! If your main concern is numbers, shouldn't you be far more concerned about legal migration at 500,000 rather than the 10s of thousands of asylum seekers? Can you not be concerned about both things at once? |
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