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Post by bancroft on Feb 2, 2023 19:15:53 GMT
Caught this today, Welsh Rugby is being attacked for having the Tom Jones song Delilah as their anthem.
It has been deemed mysoginist.
Now Stoke football fans also sing this yet in both cases have never heard the lines about knives.
From google
I saw the light on the night that I passed by her window
I saw the flickering shadows of love on her blind
She was my woman
As she deceived me, I watched and went out of my mind
My, my, my, Delilah
Why, why, why, Delilah
I could see, that girl was no good for me
But I was lost like a slave that no man could free
At break of day when that man drove away, I was waiting
I crossed the street to her house and she opened the door
She stood there laughing
I felt the knife in my hand and she laughed no more
My, my, my, Delilah
Why, why, why, Delilah
So before they come to break down the door
Forgive me Delilah, I just couldn't take anymore
She stood there laughing
I felt the knife in my hand and she laughed no more
My, my, my, Delilah
Why, why, why, Delilah
So before they come to break down the door
Forgive me, Delilah, I just couldn't take anymore
Forgive me, Delilah, I just couldn't take anymore
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2023 21:06:34 GMT
They want to cancel a song about mental illness? OK
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Post by bancroft on Feb 3, 2023 11:56:51 GMT
I doubt they will kick Tom Jones off tv that would raise too many questions :-)
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Post by Bentley on Feb 3, 2023 13:46:44 GMT
Lucky it wasn’t the Engineers song then 😳
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Post by dodgydave on Feb 3, 2023 16:53:11 GMT
The tradition is to sing a song at the rugby (and other sporting events).
If they banned singing then you would have a point, but they haven't. They are still free to sing a different song, preferably one that isn't about murdering your missus lol.
Think what you are arguing for. Racists chants were common up until the 1990s... were they "tradition"?
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Post by Bentley on Feb 3, 2023 17:13:04 GMT
It’s not racist chant or a misogynist chant either.
It’s a popular song that seems to have triggered people who like to be triggered .
They need to grow up .
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Post by sandypine on Feb 3, 2023 17:28:54 GMT
The tradition is to sing a song at the rugby (and other sporting events). If they banned singing then you would have a point, but they haven't. They are still free to sing a different song, preferably one that isn't about murdering your missus lol. Think what you are arguing for. Racists chants were common up until the 1990s... were they "tradition"? The song is a story, it tells a tale. It neither condones nor promotes murder and the killer is just about to get his comeuppance. The crowd are currently free to sing any song they like within the law. If we dig deeply into many songs then we would never sing a thing. Racist chants were indeed tradition and many traditions are not nice at all but it only seems to be British traditions that are subject to the censor. Unpleasant traditions of others we are expected to 'tolerate'. The point of Sikhs carrying a small sword is to defend the faith. Hidhus have the Caste tradition and Islam has too many. |
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Post by dodgydave on Feb 3, 2023 17:48:09 GMT
The tradition is to sing a song at the rugby (and other sporting events). If they banned singing then you would have a point, but they haven't. They are still free to sing a different song, preferably one that isn't about murdering your missus lol. Think what you are arguing for. Racists chants were common up until the 1990s... were they "tradition"? The song is a story, it tells a tale. It neither condones nor promotes murder and the killer is just about to get his comeuppance. The crowd are currently free to sing any song they like within the law. If we dig deeply into many songs then we would never sing a thing. Racist chants were indeed tradition and many traditions are not nice at all but it only seems to be British traditions that are subject to the censor. Unpleasant traditions of others we are expected to 'tolerate'. The point of Sikhs carrying a small sword is to defend the faith. Hidhus have the Caste tradition and Islam has too many. Do you even understand what a tradition is? lol It is something of importance that is passed from generation to generation. Like I said, you can argue that singing at a sporting event is tradition, but claiming singing a particular Tom Jones song is tradition is utter shite. Also, you actually made me laugh out loud when you compared your right to sing Tom Jones songs to religious traditions hahaha. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 3, 2023 19:50:13 GMT
You seem to be asking for some kind of political justification / rationale to for singing a song. Why shouldn't they just tell you to mind your own business and sing a different song if you wish?
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Post by sandypine on Feb 3, 2023 20:20:06 GMT
The song is a story, it tells a tale. It neither condones nor promotes murder and the killer is just about to get his comeuppance. The crowd are currently free to sing any song they like within the law. If we dig deeply into many songs then we would never sing a thing. Racist chants were indeed tradition and many traditions are not nice at all but it only seems to be British traditions that are subject to the censor. Unpleasant traditions of others we are expected to 'tolerate'. The point of Sikhs carrying a small sword is to defend the faith. Hidhus have the Caste tradition and Islam has too many. Do you even understand what a tradition is? lol It is something of importance that is passed from generation to generation. Like I said, you can argue that singing at a sporting event is tradition, but claiming singing a particular Tom Jones song is tradition is utter shite. Also, you actually made me laugh out loud when you compared your right to sing Tom Jones songs to religious traditions hahaha. A tradition is whatever someone decides it is. There are family traditions and traditions newly starting. If a rugby crowd decide a song is to be sung, it may die out in time or it may become a tradition. I am not one to belittle what anyone regards as a tradition, I do however think that trying to stamp out a tradition, and there is little doubt it has become a tradition, because it has questionable morals in the eyes of the permanently sensitive is a bit rich when many other traditions have some pretty horrendous roots and meanings, and yet we are expected to tolerate and respect those traditions. It is just another step in downgrading a British Culture. Is there a length of time when things are allowed to become traditional? Tom Jones in South Wales is an iconic figure as I can recall a pub jukebox in the 90s in Merthyr had about a dozen Tom Jones records and they were played quite often. Most jukeboxes at the time maybe had one. Religious traditions are worse because they have 'divine' inspiration on their side but are just as nonsensical. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Feb 5, 2023 8:38:28 GMT
The song is certainly liable to offend some people - but there is no law saying that you can't offend people. The only law I can think of that it might break is the law on incitement. Does it incite violence? On balance I don't think it does. However I'd certainly say that it wasn't a very good song to choose as the "anthem" for a sports club - or any club for that matter. Potentially offending your members is not a good idea. But there are some things that most definitely DO incite violence. For a start the Koran does - completely blatantly. Many religious tomes incite violence to some extent. And they should be banned - but it would never work of course. And some "music" incites violence - rap and its various genres are highly offensive and incite violence, misogyny and racism. They should also be banned - but again you could never do it. The blacks would claim it was "racist" to ban it for a start. I must admit I'd like to ban islam though. It would be worth it just to hear the cries of outrage from the Left.  |
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Post by bancroft on Feb 5, 2023 12:58:51 GMT
If we look back over the last couple of years, the Colston statue pulled down by a mob in Bristol and threats to attack the Churchill statue,
I recall the Tory leaning journalist, Isabel Oakenshott recently debating after the royal racist incident with the African lady that the Royal institution was under attack.
I think it is more than the Royals it is that any tradition that represents Britain is liable to be attacked.
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