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Post by Pacifico on Oct 16, 2022 16:33:34 GMT
I think this type of economically liberal but socially conservative party (pretty much 'Blue Labour') could, under a different voting system, be quite successful. From my perspective, and I dont agree with all of their policies, they are certainly the only current political party I could see myself voting for. -----------------------------------------------------------
The SDP is a patriotic, economically left-leaning, and culturally traditional political party.
We have a long and distinct political heritage, the party’s roots going back to 1981 when four prominent Labour Party figures issued the ‘Limehouse Declaration.’ We are a patriotic, economically left-leaning, and culturally traditional political party.
Our flagship ‘Social Market’ economic model views the private sector and the public sector not as opponents but as complementary parts of the same society. We think individualism has over-stepped. Instead, we focus on what unites us and brings society together at the level of the family, community and the nation.
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 24, 2022 18:17:06 GMT
I think this type of economically liberal but socially conservative party (pretty much 'Blue Labour') could, under a different voting system, be quite successful. From my perspective, and I dont agree with all of their policies, they are certainly the only current political party I could see myself voting for. -----------------------------------------------------------
The SDP is a patriotic, economically left-leaning, and culturally traditional political party.
We have a long and distinct political heritage, the party’s roots going back to 1981 when four prominent Labour Party figures issued the ‘Limehouse Declaration.’ We are a patriotic, economically left-leaning, and culturally traditional political party.
Our flagship ‘Social Market’ economic model views the private sector and the public sector not as opponents but as complementary parts of the same society. We think individualism has over-stepped. Instead, we focus on what unites us and brings society together at the level of the family, community and the nation.
SDPSo this lot are the followers of the “gang of four” who chose NOT to merge with the Liberals to become the Liberal Democrat’s ?? |
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Post by B0ycey on Oct 24, 2022 18:31:52 GMT
@jog is right. This party already exists. It is called the Liberal Democrats when they merged with the Liberals.
Nonetheless it should be said I would support such a party in principle, but that is the SDP of Europe not those who write "The Orange Book". The best hope for me is the return of old Labour which may well promote social Democratic values I want rather than support some break away scabs.
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Post by Steve on Oct 24, 2022 19:04:21 GMT
I think this type of economically liberal but socially conservative party (pretty much 'Blue Labour') could, under a different voting system, be quite successful. From my perspective, and I dont agree with all of their policies, they are certainly the only current political party I could see myself voting for. -----------------------------------------------------------
iili.io/t272OQ.pngThe SDP is a patriotic, economically left-leaning, and culturally traditional political party.
We have a long and distinct political heritage, the party’s roots going back to 1981 when four prominent Labour Party figures issued the ‘Limehouse Declaration.’ We are a patriotic, economically left-leaning, and culturally traditional political party.
Our flagship ‘Social Market’ economic model views the private sector and the public sector not as opponents but as complementary parts of the same society. We think individualism has over-stepped. Instead, we focus on what unites us and brings society together at the level of the family, community and the nation.
SDPSo this lot are the followers of the “gang of four” who chose NOT to merge with the Liberals to become the Liberal Democrat’s ?? Err nope. The gang of four were the ones that left Labour and most of them very much did merge with the Libs IIRC the SDP is the  of David Owen |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 24, 2022 21:52:14 GMT
So this lot are the followers of the “gang of four” who chose NOT to merge with the Liberals to become the Liberal Democrat’s ?? why would they - what have the LibDems got to offer? |
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 24, 2022 23:51:36 GMT
I think you both misunderstood what I was getting at
I well remember the Limehouse Declaration and the creation of the SDP which we were promised would break the mould of British politics.
From what I recall all they managed to do was slash labours voting figures and ensure Tory success.
But given they broke away because the Militant Tendency took over Labour that was perhaps a good thing they pulled the ability to win seats.
What I was getting at is I thought the SDP were totally merged into the Lib Dem’s. I wasn’t aware a rump of the old breakaway group existed and although I saw the logo on a regional ballot paper a while back I didn’t join the dots and thought they were a new startup
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 25, 2022 7:05:46 GMT
Sorry - I got the wrong end of the stick. There were quite a few SDP supporters who disagreed with the decision to join the Liberals, although in hindsight it probably worked out for the best as then the remaining SDP could get back to its original vision by David Owen as being a european style social democratic party.
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Post by jeg er on Oct 29, 2022 19:19:12 GMT
I think you both misunderstood what I was getting at I well remember the Limehouse Declaration and the creation of the SDP which we were promised would break the mould of British politics. From what I recall all they managed to do was slash labours voting figures and ensure Tory success. But given they broke away because the Militant Tendency took over Labour that was perhaps a good thing they pulled the ability to win seats. What I was getting at is I thought the SDP were totally merged into the Lib Dem’s. I wasn’t aware a rump of the old breakaway group existed and although I saw the logo on a regional ballot paper a while back I didn’t join the dots and thought they were a new startup the old Liberal and SDP parties carried on existing across all these years. they both supported brexit |
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 30, 2022 3:35:14 GMT
the old Liberal and SDP parties carried on existing across all these years. they both supported brexit Well that statement surprised me given my memories of the time of the original party formation and I did a bit of digging and I see much flew right past me and I never noticed. I found it strange anyone who had any interest in the original SDP could possibly have been EuroSceptic since as I’m sure you are aware the original ‘gang of four’ party formed thanks to two Labour policy declarations of the early 80s the first being its commitment as voiced in ‘the longest suicide note in history’ to leave the then EEC But I see from my research the SDP has a tortured past. The gang of four’s party was retained separate from the Liberal Democrat’s and tanked shortly thereafter and a third entity arose from that post-split tanking. I also note the new entity stood for the very opposite of the approach taken to marriage by Nigel Lawson. He as I pointed out elsewhere caused negative equity and financial chaos in the housing markets by answering criticism of the ability of unmarried couples to enjoy two sets of Mortgage Interest Tax Relief by destroying that. I see the present day SDP approach is to favour tax advantages aimed at families and family values. How very distinct from the 1970s values of an upcoming Liberal Councillor. At that time Cardiff was infested with leasehold properties approaching renewal. The homeowners were being shafted. Tory ears were deaf to their plight because the party was the party of landowners. Labour were equally deaf to their plight on the public grounds given locally that they were not a party for property owners (Cardiff labour were pretty serious Marxists at that time) but the REAL reason was Jim Callaghan owned huge swathes of the land in question and was a serious benefactor from the lease hikes. Step forward Mike German liberal underdog. He berated both Tory and labour and he and another councillor were rocketed to public office and never looked back But as several of my relatives were leasehold property owners and thus indebted to German for his work to sort this out, I took an interest in the party and the man’s policies. That came to a very abrupt end on discovering he stood for the utter abolition of all tax advantage offered by the state to married couples snd his utter hatred of marriage as a state recognised status. Quite a revelation across a pair of urinals in a Cardiff Liberal Club after a political meeting, a revelation that almost spoiled my aim which would have ruined my shoes. |
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