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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 1, 2023 7:37:17 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64471262The Cult of Thunberg instigated a ripoff some years ago to hide the true cost of their fucking wind turbines. While electricity generators created power at a range of prices, tbe suppliers buying it to provide it to you and I were to be charged the highest possible price for every kilowatt hour of electricity regardless of the actual cost of each kilowatt. Something you would rather expect from Marxist Labour whose principles are to screw the worker so the elite can live in luxury but a policy that ill sits with theoretical Tory principles of market forces. Unless you have a non executive directorship on a power company board of course. The original intent was to fuck the public over and provide a means to swill cash around power companies to incentivise the insanely high cost of renewable development. Today however those sources are far cheaper than gas but Thunberg cultists operate a policy that it is better for you to starve and freeze while power companies make obscene profits because energy use is vile. We really need to riot more, like the French
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Post by Equivocal on Feb 1, 2023 7:54:00 GMT
Young Sal, aka Toreador, has complained taking the point in the BBC article. Perhaps he'll let us know how he got on,
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Post by steppenwolf on Feb 1, 2023 7:55:05 GMT
That's the way the market works. The price of electricity is determined by how much the fossil fuel generators charge - because fossil fuel generated electricity is RELIABLE - i.e. non-intermittent - and the National Grid needs reliable energy. So the fossil fuel generators can dictate the price. And when the "renewable" industry negotiate their contracts for supplying electricity they're not going to offer it for sale at significantly less than what the fossil fuel generators charge. Why should they?
As to whether renewable energy ACTUALLY is much cheaper to generate than fossil fuel energy is open to question. Since the providers charge the same for all energy that hasn't been tested.
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 1, 2023 8:30:23 GMT
VAT, the green levy and adding the cost of the green transition to domestic bills doesn't help.
...Indeed, that was another mistake, adding the £4bn annual costs of the green transition to customers’ bills rather than via general taxation. “Such an approach is regressive, disproportionally affecting those least able to afford it”. And despite evidence from other countries of the unintended consequences, the government decided to introduce an energy price cap. In practice that meant that when prices surged, thinly capitalised and shaky businesses were tied into contracts guaranteed to lose them money. As a result, more than 30 suppliers have gone bust, at a cost to billpayers of around £4.6bn. The UK cannot control global energy prices, but the effects of “layers of often-populist, short-term interventions” have resulted in a dysfunctional energy market that means prices are far higher than they need be. We haven’t just been unlucky: this is “market failure by design”.
Iain Conn, ex-boss of Centrica, from an article in The Times May 2022.
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Post by Toreador on Feb 1, 2023 9:02:34 GMT
Young Sal, aka Toreador, has complained taking the point in the BBC article. Perhaps he'll let us know how he got on, If you are referring to my writing a letter to the MP who asked Truss the question as to why people buying electricity from green suppliers, which though purportedly cheaper than fossil generated electricity, is put into the same pot so I pay the same rate as everyone else, the last letter I had after exchanges with one of the MP's scribes, was that I should make the enquiry through my own MP; this of course was months after my initial letter. My own MP is the useless Edward Leigh who would have to ask the MP who asked Rudd the question I originally asked. What this actually means is they don't want to answer the question. At the moment, this issue is not the only one on which I'm not getting a response from an MP, they're hopeless.
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 1, 2023 10:43:56 GMT
VAT, the green levy and adding the cost of the green transition to domestic bills doesn't help. ...Indeed, that was another mistake, adding the £4bn annual costs of the green transition to customers’ bills rather than via general taxation. “Such an approach is regressive, disproportionally affecting those least able to afford it”. And despite evidence from other countries of the unintended consequences, the government decided to introduce an energy price cap. In practice that meant that when prices surged, thinly capitalised and shaky businesses were tied into contracts guaranteed to lose them money. As a result, more than 30 suppliers have gone bust, at a cost to billpayers of around £4.6bn. The UK cannot control global energy prices, but the effects of “layers of often-populist, short-term interventions” have resulted in a dysfunctional energy market that means prices are far higher than they need be. We haven’t just been unlucky: this is “market failure by design”.
Iain Conn, ex-boss of Centrica, from an article in The Times May 2022.I think the biggest problem with energy companies going bust is the temptation to steal customers money taken by direct debit. Bulb is an excellent example.. The company went under having a huge number of customers with massive credit balances as a result of their aggressive direct debit advance payment policy, and all of that money was spent. There is an argument that customers of such companies should lose that money, having been stupid enough to sign up with a reckless organisation, and indeed the rioting that would have gone on had this been the case might have been useful, if only to endure the directors of said company, once torn apart alive by an angry mob, will not be able to repeat the theft. Sadly OFGEM or whoever they are these days requires the company they force to take the customers of the bankrupt outfit accept the credit balances of the transferred customers even though the former company frittered the funds away This is why it took so long for BULB’s customers to be handed to a new supplier, nobody had the money to take the hit from honouring those credit balances and surviving. PART of the reason your bills are now so high is the hike in standing charges all companies are allowed to rip you off, the hike being needed to swell the dented coffers of the surviving companies forced to pay out their own funds, or actually give free electric and gas to the value of the credit balance to every transferred customer. Had companies been forced to issue bills in arrears for energy actually used like they used to, no company would have been able to amass such huge reserves of unspent customers money as they have, and in fact fewer companies would have gone under in the way they did.
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Post by wapentake on Feb 1, 2023 15:05:20 GMT
VAT, the green levy and adding the cost of the green transition to domestic bills doesn't help. ...Indeed, that was another mistake, adding the £4bn annual costs of the green transition to customers’ bills rather than via general taxation. “Such an approach is regressive, disproportionally affecting those least able to afford it”. And despite evidence from other countries of the unintended consequences, the government decided to introduce an energy price cap. In practice that meant that when prices surged, thinly capitalised and shaky businesses were tied into contracts guaranteed to lose them money. As a result, more than 30 suppliers have gone bust, at a cost to billpayers of around £4.6bn. The UK cannot control global energy prices, but the effects of “layers of often-populist, short-term interventions” have resulted in a dysfunctional energy market that means prices are far higher than they need be. We haven’t just been unlucky: this is “market failure by design”.
Iain Conn, ex-boss of Centrica, from an article in The Times May 2022.I think the biggest problem with energy companies going bust is the temptation to steal customers money taken by direct debit. Bulb is an excellent example.. The company went under having a huge number of customers with massive credit balances as a result of their aggressive direct debit advance payment policy, and all of that money was spent. There is an argument that customers of such companies should lose that money, having been stupid enough to sign up with a reckless organisation, and indeed the rioting that would have gone on had this been the case might have been useful, if only to endure the directors of said company, once torn apart alive by an angry mob, will not be able to repeat the theft. Sadly OFGEM or whoever they are these days requires the company they force to take the customers of the bankrupt outfit accept the credit balances of the transferred customers even though the former company frittered the funds away This is why it took so long for BULB’s customers to be handed to a new supplier, nobody had the money to take the hit from honouring those credit balances and surviving. PART of the reason your bills are now so high is the hike in standing charges all companies are allowed to rip you off, the hike being needed to swell the dented coffers of the surviving companies forced to pay out their own funds, or actually give free electric and gas to the value of the credit balance to every transferred customer. Had companies been forced to issue bills in arrears for energy actually used like they used to, no company would have been able to amass such huge reserves of unspent customers money as they have, and in fact fewer companies would have gone under in the way they did. Isn’t the real question why in gods name do we have these companies they are useless middle men that produce nothing,contribute nothing but are drones maggots and leeches. Privatisation might have had advantages in some sectors,this isn’t one of them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2023 15:49:39 GMT
When these energy companies collapse the taxpayer ends up paying for their customers to have cheap energy, up until the time their accounts are compulsorily transferred. I don't think it is fair. The only policy of Labour's I like the look of is their GB Energy idea which would cut out so many middle profit takers. Labour's problem is that they think renewables are the only way forward. We need reliable as well as renewable. If we can't provide our own energy at peak times we are at the mercy of international links to keep our power on. During these periods France, Belgium, Norway can pretty much charge what they like per MWh which increases average consumer prices. Gas is being offloaded at Isle of Grain from America (fracked) and even Angola. A third world country sends us gas to keep our power grid up. You could not make it up.
Energy prices will come down as the weather warms up, but I hope the government get serious about providing more nuclear power and stops closing down coal power stations, as they are necessary for reliable power when it is cold, cloudy and calm.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2023 15:54:53 GMT
PART of the reason your bills are now so high is the hike in standing charges all companies are allowed to rip you off, the hike being needed to swell the dented coffers of the surviving companies forced to pay out their own funds, or actually give free electric and gas to the value of the credit balance to every transferred customer. I've worked out that if I use no electricity and gas my costs will be £260 a year in standing charges. Money for old rope.
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 1, 2023 16:02:17 GMT
The energy business was made into a stockbroker gambling spree by Margaret Thatcher. Her New Electricity Trading Arrangements turned energy from the essential it was to the trading commodity it is today
Companies are required to bet, a year in advance, on how much power they need in each of the 48 30 minute slots in a day. Get it wrong by one erg and you pay. If you estimate too little, you must buy extra from the network middleman at a massive price hike.
If you estimate too high you must sell the extra back to the middleman for next to nothing.
Then then buy or sell extra capacity at an outrageous profit to them to whoever makes it most worth their while.
Yorkshire Electric installed equipment at Blue Circle Cement to crush rocks automatically. They offered Blue Circle almost free electricity if they let the Electricity Company control when rock was crushed
So if there was a spike in need, Blue Circle went without crushed rock do YEG would not have to pay punitive prices for extra. When there was a surplus Blue Circle drowned in rock dust
And Yorkshire electric then started to budget for power to break rocks that never got used for that as they sold it to the network for handing to idiots who screwed their estimates, and bought the cheap power when someone overs estimated and crushed rock with it
So Maggie turned a power company into a cement making company and all in the name of profiteering and speculation.
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Post by jonksy on Feb 2, 2023 8:09:16 GMT
Price of fuel in the UK is scandalous as is the energy prices, 53% up in profit scandalous beyond belief, just watch the massive bonuses will come next. Oil and gas giant Shell's annual profits surge to eyewatering £32BN as households and businesses struggle with rising energy prices in the wake of Russia's invasion of Ukraine Energy giant Shell's profits increased to £32 billion ($39.9bn) in 2022 due to soaring oil prices in the wake of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. It represented the company's highest profit in its 115-year history and surpassed the expectations of industry experts. It comes amid continued questions over the scale of windfall taxes on energy producers, which have benefited from higher prices. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11704607/Energy-giant-Shells-profits-surge-53-68BN-oil-prices-rocketed.html
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Post by sword on Feb 2, 2023 12:40:56 GMT
Its privatisation STUPID !!!
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Post by Vinny on Feb 2, 2023 12:41:59 GMT
Nah it's a reduction in supply, given that we shut down so many power stations to please the greenies.
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Post by sword on Feb 2, 2023 15:55:17 GMT
Nah it's a reduction in supply, given that we shut down so many power stations to please the greenies. The French own most of my energy provider,its privatisation gone mad,like many other things you deny reality,no essential utility should be anywhere near private hands.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2023 16:03:51 GMT
Nah it's a reduction in supply, given that we shut down so many power stations to please the greenies. The French own most of my energy provider,its privatisation gone mad,like many other things you deny reality,no essential utility should be anywhere near private hands. Even less in the hands of a foreign country. ScotPower is owned by the Spanish, EDF is French and the French have nationalised EDF, we need to take these back into British ownership. ASAP.
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