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Post by Pacifico on Nov 13, 2022 11:57:51 GMT
But it was you that brought into the discussion this idea that Britain's reputation as a welcoming country has been badly damaged - why would that only apply to migrants from the EU?. It doesn't. Which may be why relatively few want to come to the UK as an agricultural worker or to work in the NHS, where there are a huge number of vacancies. That makes no sense - the Agricultural Seasonal Worker Scheme has been over subscribed in every year of its operation - the amount of visas has also been increased year on year. The only thing preventing migrants coming to the UK is the lack of work visas. |
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Post by oracle75 on Nov 13, 2022 17:20:37 GMT
It doesn't. Which may be why relatively few want to come to the UK as an agricultural worker or to work in the NHS, where there are a huge number of vacancies. That makes no sense - the Agricultural Seasonal Worker Scheme has been over subscribed in every year of its operation - the amount of visas has also been increased year on year. The only thing preventing migrants coming to the UK is the lack of work visas. As a sovereign country this should not happen. At least that is how Brexit was sold. As for agricultural workers, they can choose where they work. It seems clear that they don't want to work in the UK in the numbers they did. One reason is because the value of the pound has fallen. Another as I mentioned is a reaction to the loud public feeling against migrants. Most of them can read English. They prefer to go where they are welcome. Whatever schemes are available isn't important. So I will ask the same question I asked about the NHS. What benefits did Brexit bring to agriculture? After all these were two things that were promoted as going to be so much better. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 13, 2022 17:35:16 GMT
That makes no sense - the Agricultural Seasonal Worker Scheme has been over subscribed in every year of its operation - the amount of visas has also been increased year on year. The only thing preventing migrants coming to the UK is the lack of work visas. As a sovereign country this should not happen. At least that is how Brexit was sold. As for agricultural workers, they can choose where they work. It seems clear that they don't want to work in the UK in the numbers they did.One reason is because the value of the pound has fallen. Another as I mentioned is a reaction to the loud public feeling against migrants. Most of them can read English. They prefer to go where they are welcome. Whatever schemes are available isn't important. So I will ask the same question I asked about the NHS. What benefits did Brexit bring to agriculture? After all these were two things that were promoted as going to be so much better. What part of the Agricultural Seasonal Worker Scheme is over subscribed didn't you understand?. The demand from around the globe is there to come to the UK - what is missing are the numbers of visas available. |
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Post by oracle75 on Nov 13, 2022 23:09:23 GMT
As a sovereign country this should not happen. At least that is how Brexit was sold. As for agricultural workers, they can choose where they work. It seems clear that they don't want to work in the UK in the numbers they did.One reason is because the value of the pound has fallen. Another as I mentioned is a reaction to the loud public feeling against migrants. Most of them can read English. They prefer to go where they are welcome. Whatever schemes are available isn't important. So I will ask the same question I asked about the NHS. What benefits did Brexit bring to agriculture? After all these were two things that were promoted as going to be so much better. What part of the Agricultural Seasonal Worker Scheme is over subscribed didn't you understand?. The demand from around the globe is there to come to the UK - what is missing are the numbers of visas available. I would would appreciate proof that it is oversubscribed. However what you don't seem to understand is that I am tying this back to sovereignty and suggesting that the UK can't properly run a sovereign country. It has not fulfilled one of its promises. In fact the key issues of immigration, NHS and agriculture as well as that endless debate about fishing have all turned out to result in a situation far worse than when the UK was part of the EU. I repeat. You can have all the schemes you can create. If you can't make them work they are pointless. And the reason why none of them have happened is because they were nothing but empty promises and impossible dreams. They were made when the UK was feeling comfortable and thought that that would not change. But it didn't understand that nothing stays the same. That you have to always protect yourself against possible challenges. And look at the buffoon who designed Brexit. No one had a plan. They just assumed it would all work out in the end. And they would be in charge of how it all worked out. Brexit isn't nearly done. There will be self inflicted troubles for years. And not even Rees-Mogg could find any opportunities or ways of coping with the problems it has created. Still what is done is done. And what is done is a shame. The country will just have to make the best of a serious mistake. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 18, 2022 9:44:45 GMT
Leaving was not a mistake.
What is a mistake is how political parties tried to stop us leaving (and empowered Boris) rather than taking ownership of it and bringing about how we leave referendums rather than trying to have the stop Brexit referendum that they wanted.
You could have had a lot of what you wanted (not everything), but you people chose to try to frustrate democracy and democracy bit back.
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Post by oracle75 on Nov 18, 2022 10:10:52 GMT
Leaving was not a mistake. What is a mistake is how political parties tried to stop us leaving (and empowered Boris) rather than taking ownership of it and bringing about how we leave referendums rather than trying to have the stop Brexit referendum that they wanted. You could have had a lot of what you wanted (not everything), but you people chose to try to frustrate democracy and democracy bit back. There was a loud call for a " what kind of Brexit do you want" referendum which by Amy definition is an acceptance of the decision but a request to have an opinion about the shape of it. Instead the PTB , hardly elected at the time to high office by the country, refused and made that decision on behalf of everyone. One could call it a coup. You who declare yourself a democrat should be appalled. And now that hardest if hard Brexits designed by a handful of self appointed spokespeople who campaigned solely on dreams and projections is making the present and future of the country so much harder. |
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