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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 10, 2022 13:35:38 GMT
Then why are European countries doing so much better than the UK? They are trading freely between themselves and its many trading partners, supporting each other in the fuel crisis, productivity is better GDP is better , inflation is lower and growth is higher.And of the promise to control our own borders?? Well, how is that going? The UK has admitted it needs European help...so much for sovereignty. As the article says, the UK cannot operate in a vacuum. It needs to work with other countries. UK inflation is 10.1%, the EU average is 10.9%, maybe it's because of Brexit? |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 10, 2022 13:38:53 GMT
Then why are European countries doing so much better than the UK? They are trading freely between themselves and its many trading partners, supporting each other in the fuel crisis, productivity is better GDP is better , inflation is lower and growth is higher.And of the promise to control our own borders?? Well, how is that going? The UK has admitted it needs European help...so much for sovereignty. As the article says, the UK cannot operate in a vacuum. It needs to work with other countries. UK inflation is 10.1%, the EU average is 10.9%, maybe it's because of Brexit? But,as you keep telling us, the EU's inflation is caused by its mind-numbingly shortsighted reliance on Russian oil. What's the UK's excuse? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 10, 2022 14:04:26 GMT
UK inflation is 10.1%, the EU average is 10.9%, maybe it's because of Brexit? But,as you keep telling us, the EU's inflation is caused by its mind-numbingly shortsighted reliance on Russian oil. What's the UK's excuse? Einy, global growth is slowing and all indicators point to global recession in 2023. I have every confidence remainiacs will blame Brexit. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 10, 2022 14:09:53 GMT
But,as you keep telling us, the EU's inflation is caused by its mind-numbingly shortsighted reliance on Russian oil. What's the UK's excuse? Einy, global growth is slowing and all indicators point to global recession in 2023. I have every confidence remainiacs will blame Brexit. But Brexiters sneered at the EU's reliance on Russian gas, pointing out, quite rightly, that it woul be a massive contributor to EU inflation. The UK doesn't rely to anything like the same extent on Russian gas. So, how come the UK has similar inflation rates? Is it Brexit? Is Brexit the great leveller? |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 10, 2022 14:15:30 GMT
We are trading with the EU, they are trading with us Have you seen the massive deficit between exports and imports were losing millions. Has for trade with the EU there so much red tape what wasnt there when we was in the EU There was an enormous enormous trade deficit with the EU before we left. There was a trade surplus with the EEC before we joined.
Within two years a surplus had become a deficit and remained that way for the whole time we were members.
Also, what was meant to boost our industry resulted in the death of so much of it.
The only people who did well out of it were wealthy land owners and bankers.
Most people were worse off.
It'll take a long time to recover from the damage membership did, leaving wasn't a magic bullet, but it was a good start.
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 10, 2022 14:34:30 GMT
Einy, global growth is slowing and all indicators point to global recession in 2023. I have every confidence remainiacs will blame Brexit. But Brexiters sneered at the EU's reliance on Russian gas, pointing out, quite rightly, that it woul be a massive contributor to EU inflation. The UK doesn't rely to anything like the same extent on Russian gas. So, how come the UK has similar inflation rates? Is it Brexit? Is Brexit the great leveller? The financial impact of covid cannot be underestimated, for the UK or the EU. And Putin's adventures in Ukraine continues to effect the global economy through disruptions in trade food and fuel prices. The EU and in particular Germany's reliance on Russian gas and wind turbines was quite obviously a mistake, which is why Germany are now firing up coal fired power stations. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 10, 2022 14:40:42 GMT
But Brexiters sneered at the EU's reliance on Russian gas, pointing out, quite rightly, that it woul be a massive contributor to EU inflation. The UK doesn't rely to anything like the same extent on Russian gas. So, how come the UK has similar inflation rates? Is it Brexit? Is Brexit the great leveller? The financial impact of covid cannot be underestimated, for the UK or the EU. And Putin's adventures in Ukraine continues to effect the global economy through disruptions in trade food and fuel prices. The EU and in particular Germany's reliance on Russian gas and wind turbines was quite obviously a mistake, which is why Germany are now firing up coal fired power stations. The EU had covid too. The EU's inflation problems are largely caused by its reliance on Russian gas. As the UK isn't reliant on Russian gas, how do you explain the fact that the UK's inflation levels are the same? What's the secret ingredient in the UK's problems? It couldn't be Brexit, could it? |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 10, 2022 14:47:33 GMT
We are trading with the EU, they are trading with us Have you seen the massive deficit between exports and imports were losing millions. Has for trade with the EU there so much red tape what wasnt there when we was in the EU There was an enormous enormous trade deficit with the EU before we left. There was a trade surplus with the EEC before we joined.
Within two years a surplus had become a deficit and remained that way for the whole time we were members.
Also, what was meant to boost our industry resulted in the death of so much of it.
The only people who did well out of it were wealthy land owners and bankers.
Most people were worse off.
It'll take a long time to recover from the damage membership did, leaving wasn't a magic bullet, but it was a good start.
Wasn't Kwarteng's recent budget disaster inspired by Patrick Minford's economic theories? Wasn't Brexit also influenced by Minford's theories? Imagine how surprised we are to find that Brexit is a complete disaster. |
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Post by Toreador on Nov 10, 2022 15:00:31 GMT
There was an enormous enormous trade deficit with the EU before we left. There was a trade surplus with the EEC before we joined.
Within two years a surplus had become a deficit and remained that way for the whole time we were members.
Also, what was meant to boost our industry resulted in the death of so much of it.
The only people who did well out of it were wealthy land owners and bankers.
Most people were worse off.
It'll take a long time to recover from the damage membership did, leaving wasn't a magic bullet, but it was a good start.
Wasn't Kwarteng's recent budget disaster inspired by Patrick Minford's economic theories? Wasn't Brexit also influenced by Minford's theories? Imagine how surprised we are to find that Brexit is a complete disaster.It isn't except in the minds of some. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 10, 2022 15:03:30 GMT
Wasn't Kwarteng's recent budget disaster inspired by Patrick Minford's economic theories? Wasn't Brexit also influenced by Minford's theories? Imagine how surprised we are to find that Brexit is a complete disaster.It isn't except in the minds of some. I have a big long list that I could use to refute the argument that Brexit is even a meagre success. I can't post it here, though (luckily for you, Sal). |
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Post by Toreador on Nov 10, 2022 15:18:13 GMT
It isn't except in the minds of some. I have a big long list that I could use to refute the argument that Brexit is even a meagre success. I can't post it here, though (luckily for you, Sal). Luckily for everyone. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 10, 2022 15:24:21 GMT
I have a big long list that I could use to refute the argument that Brexit is even a meagre success. I can't post it here, though (luckily for you, Sal). Luckily for everyone. Yes, it's very long. Very embarrassing for Brexiters, that. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 10, 2022 17:27:36 GMT
UK inflation is 10.1%, the EU average is 10.9%, maybe it's because of Brexit? But,as you keep telling us, the EU's inflation is caused by its mind-numbingly shortsighted reliance on Russian oil. What's the UK's excuse? High world prices for energy - what did you think the reason was? |
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Post by oracle75 on Nov 10, 2022 17:40:28 GMT
Then why are European countries doing so much better than the UK? They are trading freely between themselves and its many trading partners, supporting each other in the fuel crisis, productivity is better GDP is better , inflation is lower and growth is higher. Bollocks. Inflation is higher in the EU and even Germany is heading into recession. As for the EU's "Many trading partners" don't make me laugh. The EU is finding it very difficult to make trade deals nowadays. Switzerland has more trade deals than the EU. The EU has huge financial problems because of the euro. You can't share a currency with so many disparate countries. The EU doesn't have to keep making new trade deals. It already has over100 which it is continuing to use. As for the rest the Euro has been a real success, traded confidently in money markets and holds its value. Unlike the pound. Check your growth and inflation figures comparing the UK to the average across Europe. I have. HOWEVER this thread this about immigration and sovereignty and how successful the UK is at controlling its own borders. And the UK voted to give up what it is now wanting to replace. And in addition it is now becoming clear that it voted out the workers it now needs. Ask any nurse. Where is Nigel when you need him? |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 10, 2022 18:05:55 GMT
Bollocks. Inflation is higher in the EU and even Germany is heading into recession. As for the EU's "Many trading partners" don't make me laugh. The EU is finding it very difficult to make trade deals nowadays. Switzerland has more trade deals than the EU. The EU has huge financial problems because of the euro. You can't share a currency with so many disparate countries. The EU doesn't have to keep making new trade deals. It already has over100 which it is continuing to use. As for the rest the Euro has been a real success, traded confidently in money markets and holds its value. Unlike the pound. Check your growth and inflation figures comparing the UK to the average across Europe. I have. HOWEVER this thread this about immigration and sovereignty and how successful the UK is at controlling its own borders. And the UK voted to give up what it is now wanting to replace. And in addition it is now becoming clear that it voted out the workers it now needs. Ask any nurse.
Where is Nigel when you need him? The largest supplier of foreign workers to the NHS is India and the Philippines - there is no restriction on us importing more workers from those countries if we so choose. |
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