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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 6, 2023 10:51:19 GMT
Well said. We did indeed stop buying black slaves from black slave traders who made a fortune selling their fellow countrymen to wealthy Americans and Europeans. In fact we were the first to outlaw slavery and went to some lengths to stop other countries buying black slaves from black slave traders although to be fair, few people talk about that. I think you mean the Barbary Slave Traders who were Arabs not blacks. We paid the Arabs handsomely to round up sub Saharan Africans to export to our sugar plantations and our former colonies in America. We should demand reparations from the ancestors of former slaves to pay back the 17 billion it cost us to stop treating them as sub humans. No, I did not mean Barbary pirates or Corsairs as they are sometimes called. Barbary pirates were Muslims who for c1000 years operated from Algeria, Morocco, Tunis (From the 7th century) they would raid coastal settlements along Englands south coast and capture slaves for the Ottoman slave trade. Mention this to an outraged lefty and he/she is likely to go into a fit of pique and insist it's right wing fake news because as far as they're concerned only the nasty racist English were ever involved in the slave trade because that's what they were taught at school. British, American and other slave ships would visit several countries mainly along the African west coast but even as far as Zanzibar on the east coast to buy slaves from wealthy black slavers who had already rounded up their fellow countrymen ready for the arrival of slave ships. Again, this is something outraged lefties tend not to mention. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Feb 6, 2023 12:05:31 GMT
I think you mean the Barbary Slave Traders who were Arabs not blacks. We paid the Arabs handsomely to round up sub Saharan Africans to export to our sugar plantations and our former colonies in America. We should demand reparations from the ancestors of former slaves to pay back the 17 billion it cost us to stop treating them as sub humans. No, I did not mean Barbary pirates or Corsairs as they are sometimes called. Barbary pirates were Muslims who for c1000 years operated from Algeria, Morocco, Tunis (From the 7th century) they would raid coastal settlements along Englands south coast and capture slaves for the Ottoman slave trade. Mention this to an outraged lefty and he/she is likely to go into a fit of pique and insist it's right wing fake news because as far as they're concerned only the nasty racist English were ever involved in the slave trade because that's what they were taught at school. British, American and other slave ships would visit several countries mainly along the African west coast but even as far as Zanzibar on the east coast to buy slaves from wealthy black slavers who had already rounded up their fellow countrymen ready for the arrival of slave ships. Again, this is something outraged lefties tend not to mention. The English preferred indentured servitude to outright slavery but couldn't compete with Spanish prices due to their use of slaves. Do you think it absolves our crimes if slaves were bought from competing African tribes rather than rounded up by white men? Without demand there would have been no supply. We paid men to enslave other men who were all one colour and treated as subhuman. Who rounded up the men in the first place is a distraction aimed at diverting responsibility for a slave trade started and sustained by Europeans with the British right at the top of it. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 6, 2023 12:38:28 GMT
No, I did not mean Barbary pirates or Corsairs as they are sometimes called. Barbary pirates were Muslims who for c1000 years operated from Algeria, Morocco, Tunis (From the 7th century) they would raid coastal settlements along Englands south coast and capture slaves for the Ottoman slave trade. Mention this to an outraged lefty and he/she is likely to go into a fit of pique and insist it's right wing fake news because as far as they're concerned only the nasty racist English were ever involved in the slave trade because that's what they were taught at school. British, American and other slave ships would visit several countries mainly along the African west coast but even as far as Zanzibar on the east coast to buy slaves from wealthy black slavers who had already rounded up their fellow countrymen ready for the arrival of slave ships. Again, this is something outraged lefties tend not to mention. The English preferred indentured servitude to outright slavery but couldn't compete with Spanish prices due to their use of slaves. Do you think it absolves our crimes if slaves were bought from competing African tribes rather than rounded up by white men? Without demand there would have been no supply. We paid men to enslave other men who were all one colour and treated as subhuman. Who rounded up the men in the first place is a distraction aimed at diverting responsibility for a slave trade started and sustained by Europeans with the British right at the top of it. Monte, I'm not suggesting anyone should be absolved of their crimes, but it should be put in perspective. The British, yes the British not the English, I'm sure you are aware that the Scotts were also heavily involved in slavery, became involved in the slave trade later, in many cases much later than just about any other country, and Britain was the first country to ban slavery. Not content with that, the British government instituted the Royal Navy West Africa Squadron who for 60 years patrolled the shores of Africa stopping slave ships and freeing thousands of would be slaves. The British set up 'liberated villages' for these people in Sierra Leone which is why the capital of Sierra Leone is called Freetown. But no one is bothered with facts, as far as progressive lefties are concerned all that matters is slavery is the fault of the nasty racist English. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Feb 6, 2023 12:43:39 GMT
The English preferred indentured servitude to outright slavery but couldn't compete with Spanish prices due to their use of slaves. Do you think it absolves our crimes if slaves were bought from competing African tribes rather than rounded up by white men? Without demand there would have been no supply. We paid men to enslave other men who were all one colour and treated as subhuman. Who rounded up the men in the first place is a distraction aimed at diverting responsibility for a slave trade started and sustained by Europeans with the British right at the top of it. Monte, I'm not suggesting anyone should be absolved of their crimes, but it should be put in perspective. The British, yes the British not the English, I'm sure you are aware that the Scotts were also heavily involved in slavery, became involved in the slave trade later, in many cases much later than just about any other country, and Britain was the first country to ban slavery. Not content with that, the British government instituted the Royal Navy West Africa Squadron who for 60 years patrolled the shores of Africa stopping slave ships and freeing thousands of would be slaves. The British set up 'liberated villages' for these people in Sierra Leone which is why the capital of Sierra Leone is called Freetown. But no one is bothered with facts, as far as progressive lefties are concerned all that matters is slavery is the fault of the nasty racist English. Denmark-Norway banned the slave trade in 1803. 30 years before Britain. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 6, 2023 12:53:19 GMT
Monte, I'm not suggesting anyone should be absolved of their crimes, but it should be put in perspective. The British, yes the British not the English, I'm sure you are aware that the Scotts were also heavily involved in slavery, became involved in the slave trade later, in many cases much later than just about any other country, and Britain was the first country to ban slavery. Not content with that, the British government instituted the Royal Navy West Africa Squadron who for 60 years patrolled the shores of Africa stopping slave ships and freeing thousands of would be slaves. The British set up 'liberated villages' for these people in Sierra Leone which is why the capital of Sierra Leone is called Freetown. But no one is bothered with facts, as far as progressive lefties are concerned all that matters is slavery is the fault of the nasty racist English. Denmark-Norway banned the slave trade in 1803. 30 years before Britain. Indeed, the Danes stopped shipping slaves from Africa to their Danish West Indies colonies in 1803. A few years before the British. Are you aware the Danes had been involved with slavery since the 7th century so pro rata, they have a damned sight more to be guilty about than the British. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Feb 6, 2023 12:59:46 GMT
Denmark-Norway banned the slave trade in 1803. 30 years before Britain. Indeed, the Danes stopped shipping slaves from Africa to their Danish West Indies colonies in 1803. A few years before the British. Are you aware the Danes had been involved with slavery since the 7th century so pro rata, they have a damned sight more to be guilty about than the British. The British shipped more slaves to the Americas than anyone except Spain. |
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Post by om15 on Feb 6, 2023 13:00:12 GMT
Saudi Arabia didn't abolish slavery until 1962, but I don't see much fuss being made about that. In many cases in the US the slaves had a better life expectancy than if they had carried on living in the jungle. It is all in the past, and I don't see why we should have to watch all advertisements on television featuring black people as some sort of atonement, these fads come and go, last year it was black lives matter and now that has gone out of favour and we had the Scottish Transvestite Laws until that all went wrong, next year it will be some sort of Dwarf Homage to pay tribute to short people.
It is all rubbish and should be ignored.
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 6, 2023 13:13:52 GMT
Saudi Arabia didn't abolish slavery until 1962, but I don't see much fuss being made about that. In many cases in the US the slaves had a better life expectancy than if they had carried on living in the jungle. It is all in the past, and I don't see why we should have to watch all advertisements on television featuring black people as some sort of atonement, these fads come and go, last year it was black lives matter and now that has gone out of favour and we had the Scottish Transvestite Laws until that all went wrong, next year it will be some sort of Dwarf Homage to pay tribute to short people. It is all rubbish and should be ignored. Indeed, today slavery is rife in Africa, across the Middle East and in Asia. The Islamic Republic of Mauritania was the last country in the world to ban slavery in 1981, but the ban wasn't enforced until 2007 and then only due to international pressure. Even today slaves are openly bought and sold in Mauritania and many other African countries. But don't mention this to young outraged lefties, as far as they're concerned the only country in the world that has ever been involved in the slave trade, is nasty racist England. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Feb 6, 2023 13:23:00 GMT
Saudi Arabia didn't abolish slavery until 1962, but I don't see much fuss being made about that. In many cases in the US the slaves had a better life expectancy than if they had carried on living in the jungle. It is all in the past, and I don't see why we should have to watch all advertisements on television featuring black people as some sort of atonement, these fads come and go, last year it was black lives matter and now that has gone out of favour and we had the Scottish Transvestite Laws until that all went wrong, next year it will be some sort of Dwarf Homage to pay tribute to short people. It is all rubbish and should be ignored. Indeed, today slavery is rife in Africa, across the Middle East and in Asia. The Islamic Republic of Mauritania was the last country in the world to ban slavery in 1981, but the ban wasn't enforced until 2007 and then only due to international pressure. Even today slaves are openly bought and sold in Mauritania and many other African countries. But don't mention this to young outraged lefties, as far as they're concerned the only country in the world that has ever been involved in the slave trade, is nasty racist England. Who are these outraged lefties? What's your evidence that they think the English are the only people to have ever traded slaves? Have you been reading Daily Mail articles again? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 6, 2023 13:36:28 GMT
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Post by Montegriffo on Feb 6, 2023 13:50:13 GMT
Is that supposed to prove that outraged lefties think that only England was involved in the slave trade? |
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 6, 2023 23:21:04 GMT
I wonder how many people are aware that without paying off the slave owners the act would never have passed. The people who made huge fortunes out of the misery of slavery were payed off to the tune of £20 million. The equivalent of 17 billion today. At the time it was 40% of the treasury and 5% of GNP. The slaves themselves got nothing of course but they should be eternally grateful to us because we stopped brutally enslaving them. Well said. We did indeed stop buying black slaves from black slave traders who made a fortune selling their fellow countrymen to wealthy Americans and Europeans. In fact we were the first to outlaw slavery and went to some lengths to stop other countries buying black slaves from black slave traders although to be fair, few people talk about that. The borrowings that the british government made to make those payments to free what the polite world called ‘indentured servants’ were not actually fully paid back until the latter part of LAST century. But something i found about the statue topplers made me wonfer ‘what if’ In my neck of the woods, or in fact some distance to the west, lie the former estates of one General Picton. A man whose effigies are torn down by the left and whose statue has been removed from cardiff city halls gallery of heroes, no dount to be replaced by winnie mandela and a necklace I wondered why picton was in the gallery and discovered he died on the field of battle at waterloo, leading his men in a charge against the foe at what is supposedly a pivotal moment I don't know the details. I suspect my youngest will she has a thing for history. And the A level to go with it But let us assume for a moment the archivists are right. Let us say whatever it was that Picton did made a material difference. Let us assume had he not done it and not turned the tide, Bonaparte would have won the day. It is a safe bet even if all his victory achieved was a further extension of the war, our navy would have been reduced and our ability to go out and harass slavers in the arabian gulf after the war ended would have been reduced. Bonaparte victorious against us in full would have been a disaster for our navy and the enslavement would have gone on unchallenged. I find it ironic the statue topplers do not pause to properly research the deeds of those they choose to hate. If they succeeded in erasing the man from history the lot of those they do violence in the name of might have been far worse. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 7, 2023 1:00:55 GMT
We don't hear much about the coloured woman who was filmed leading this assault on our heritage. Is she still in the land of the living? As she got shot in the head in Londonistan after going to an all night piss up....Of course because it was coloureds themselves who shot her there was hardly fuck all said about it........Imagine the BML if they had of been white... |
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Post by jaydee on Feb 7, 2023 8:50:46 GMT
Yes, he did go to school. Alan Cumming had 8 O Levels and 4 A Levels at the age of sixteen. He has a Bachelor's degree in Dramatic Studies, has won two Tony awards and written several books. The Scots are the most educated people in Europe. Some 52% of Scots have University qualifications. Thats 8% higher than England. Not to mention. Scotland has four University's in the top 100 in the world. That's more per head than any other country in the world. Not to mention University placement is free. Saving some £14,000 a year. What do Tory arse lickers in bankrupt England offer. You will be telling me next it was the fault of the loonie left that it was their fault that Liz Truss destroyed the economy. England named worst in the developed world for literacy in 2011, 2013, 2016 and 2019. I cant be arsed checking the latest as it would be wasted on you. www.spectator.co.uk/article/england-named-worst-in-developed-world-for-literacy-so-yes-school-reform-is-needed/#:~:text=So%20yes%2C%20school%20reform%20is%20needed.,-Copy%20link%20Copied&text=Today's%20OECD%20stu . |
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Post by jaydee on Feb 7, 2023 8:54:42 GMT
Jonsky said . We don't hear much about the coloured woman who was filmed leading this assault on our heritage. Is she still in the land of the living? As she got shot in the head in Londonistan after going to an all night piss up....Of course because it was coloureds themselves who shot her there was hardly fuck all said about it........Imagine the BML if they had of been white...
Who is the we in all this. Last I heard she was English. And what has this drivel to do with Scottish politics. Just imagine if Saville had been a black Englishman or heaven forbid a Jock. Boy o boy would the racist prats in England just not be on the case. By the way did you know that all but two involved in the Yorkshire grooming cases were Englishmen born and bred.
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