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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 28, 2023 22:19:30 GMT
Alan Cumming gives back OBE over links to 'toxic' British EmpireThe Goldeneye actor said at the time that he was 'delighted' to be awarded an OBE, but explains that after the Queen's death, his eyes were opened by conversations about the role of the monarchy. news.sky.com/story/alan-cumming-gives-back-obe-over-links-to-toxic-british-empire-12796667Refusing an honour is a message, some would say a powerful message. Returning an honour after flaunting it for 14 years is nothing more than virtue signalling hypocrisy, it's an empty gesture that means nothing. Cumming is a hypocrite of the worst kind, he criticises the British Empire over it's links to slavery, yet he lives in the US. I have to ask in all seriousness, did he ever go to school?
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Post by jonksy on Jan 28, 2023 22:32:05 GMT
Alan Cumming gives back OBE over links to 'toxic' British EmpireThe Goldeneye actor said at the time that he was 'delighted' to be awarded an OBE, but explains that after the Queen's death, his eyes were opened by conversations about the role of the monarchy. news.sky.com/story/alan-cumming-gives-back-obe-over-links-to-toxic-british-empire-12796667Refusing an honour is a message, some would say a powerful message. Returning an honour after flaunting it for 14 years is nothing more than virtue signalling hypocrisy, it's an empty gesture that means nothing. Cumming is a hypocrite of the worst kind, he criticises the British Empire over it's links to slavery, yet he lives in the US. I have to ask in all seriousness, did he ever go to school?
Did any of the snp arse lickers ever go to school? Scotland had an education system that ws the envy of the world before the snp turned it into no more than a brainwashing and indoctrination centre. |
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Post by Ripley on Jan 29, 2023 0:46:23 GMT
Yes, he did go to school. Alan Cumming had 8 O Levels and 4 A Levels at the age of sixteen. He has a Bachelor's degree in Dramatic Studies, has won two Tony awards and written several books.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 29, 2023 1:01:46 GMT
Yes, he did go to school. Alan Cumming had 8 O Levels and 4 A Levels at the age of sixteen. He has a Bachelor's degree in Dramatic Studies, has won two Tony awards and written several books. Amazing how someone with 8 O levels and 4 A levels can appear so thick. Do you suppose he is aware that slavery was banned in Britain in 1833 but continued in the US until 1865 officially. Unofficially it continued in the US for decades after 1865. And I wonder if he is aware that the British government dispatched the Royal Navy anti slavery squadron to patrol the shores of Africa to stop slave ships and for 60 years they were very successeful. But no one talks about that. 'Dramatic Studies' sounds pretty dramatic. What did he do, fall off the stage? |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 3, 2023 18:45:13 GMT
The most notable acting job he ever got was as Boris Grishenko in Goldeneye.
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Post by borchester on Feb 3, 2023 21:27:47 GMT
Yes, he did go to school. Alan Cumming had 8 O Levels and 4 A Levels at the age of sixteen. He has a Bachelor's degree in Dramatic Studies, has won two Tony awards and written several books. To be fair, the Scottish Higher is only equal to an English As level, which is why Scottish universities offer 4 year degrees. The first year is spent getting the kids up to speed.
Plus being a shirtlifter in Wee Krankie's Scotland is probably something of a career move.
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Post by Ripley on Feb 3, 2023 21:53:42 GMT
Yes, he did go to school. Alan Cumming had 8 O Levels and 4 A Levels at the age of sixteen. He has a Bachelor's degree in Dramatic Studies, has won two Tony awards and written several books. To be fair, the Scottish Higher is only equal to an English As level, which is why Scottish universities offer 4 year degrees. The first year is spent getting the kids up to speed.
Plus being a shirtlifter in Wee Krankie's Scotland is probably something of a career move.
That must be why the royals sent their kids to Scotland for an education then. |
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Post by borchester on Feb 3, 2023 22:09:10 GMT
To be fair, the Scottish Higher is only equal to an English As level, which is why Scottish universities offer 4 year degrees. The first year is spent getting the kids up to speed.
Plus being a shirtlifter in Wee Krankie's Scotland is probably something of a career move.
That must be why the royals sent their kids to Scotland for an education then. Well, where do you think Harry learned to throw such queanies?.
Thing that got to me wasn't so much Will giving his brother a hiding, but Harry sobbing that his necklace had been broken. Thank God he did not get his stockings laddered or we would never have heard the end of it  |
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Post by Ripley on Feb 4, 2023 20:18:53 GMT
That must be why the royals sent their kids to Scotland for an education then. Well, where do you think Harry learned to throw such queanies?.
Thing that got to me wasn't so much Will giving his brother a hiding, but Harry sobbing that his necklace had been broken. Thank God he did not get his stockings laddered or we would never have heard the end of it Harry was spared the demands of a Gordonstoun education. In keeping with Spencer family tradition, both he and his brother went to Eton. Later on, Will went to St. Andrews university while Harry skipped further education. By the time of the brotherly fracas which resulted in Harry's broken necklace and injured feelings, he had already had a military career. Makes you wonder. |
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Post by borchester on Feb 4, 2023 20:34:38 GMT
Well, where do you think Harry learned to throw such queanies?.
Thing that got to me wasn't so much Will giving his brother a hiding, but Harry sobbing that his necklace had been broken. Thank God he did not get his stockings laddered or we would never have heard the end of it Harry was spared the demands of a Gordonstoun education. In keeping with Spencer family tradition, both he and his brother went to Eton. Later on, Will went to St. Andrews university while Harry skipped further education. By the time of the brotherly fracas which resulted in Harry's broken necklace and injured feelings, he had already had a military career. Makes you wonder. From all accounts Harry was a good soldier and a popular officer. It is a shame that he decided to go off to America and study self pity |
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Post by Handyman on Feb 5, 2023 12:24:55 GMT
Alan Cumming gives back OBE over links to 'toxic' British EmpireThe Goldeneye actor said at the time that he was 'delighted' to be awarded an OBE, but explains that after the Queen's death, his eyes were opened by conversations about the role of the monarchy. news.sky.com/story/alan-cumming-gives-back-obe-over-links-to-toxic-british-empire-12796667Refusing an honour is a message, some would say a powerful message. Returning an honour after flaunting it for 14 years is nothing more than virtue signalling hypocrisy, it's an empty gesture that means nothing. Cumming is a hypocrite of the worst kind, he criticises the British Empire over it's links to slavery, yet he lives in the US. I have to ask in all seriousness, did he ever go to school? He may have done well in school, but it appears that he did not study Scottish History, the Scots were heavily involved in Slavery , three Scottish Ports were used by slavers Scotland and Black Slavery to 1833 What was the extent of Scottish involvement both in the slave trade and slavery and in their abolition? The answers to this question are only beginning to be developed. There was undoubtedly strong Scottish involvement in trade to the West Indies as part of the crucial ‘triangular trade’ between Britain, Africa and the West Indies (the principal mechanism whereby slaves were delivered into the Atlantic economy). Scottish involvement was especially strong in Jamaica, where, by 1800, Scots owned some 30 per cent of estates. Jamaica itself contained nearly 40 per cent of the West Indies’ slave population and Scots were actively involved at all levels: as owners, investors, overseers, doctors and slaving crews. Demonstrating Scots’ involvement in the transportation, sale and use of slave labour only answers one part of this question Other more difficult questions are how far the Scottish economy was dependent on or linked to trade with societies based on unfree labour. The link between the Scottish economy and the West Indies was a strong one after the American Revolution and both imports from the West Indies (especially of slave-grown produce such as sugar) and exports to the West Indies (especially of textiles) grew rapidly towards the end of the eighteenth century. Similarly, trade with North America also involved the products of slave labour. Scottish tastes for slave-grown tobacco from Virginia or for slave-grown sugar from the West Indies supported the slave trade and the institution of slavery by maintaining their profitability. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Feb 5, 2023 13:33:11 GMT
Yes, he did go to school. Alan Cumming had 8 O Levels and 4 A Levels at the age of sixteen. He has a Bachelor's degree in Dramatic Studies, has won two Tony awards and written several books. Amazing how someone with 8 O levels and 4 A levels can appear so thick. Do you suppose he is aware that slavery was banned in Britain in 1833 but continued in the US until 1865 officially. Unofficially it continued in the US for decades after 1865. And I wonder if he is aware that the British government dispatched the Royal Navy anti slavery squadron to patrol the shores of Africa to stop slave ships and for 60 years they were very successeful. But no one talks about that. 'Dramatic Studies' sounds pretty dramatic. What did he do, fall off the stage? I wonder how many people are aware that without paying off the slave owners the act would never have passed. The people who made huge fortunes out of the misery of slavery were paid off to the tune of £20 million. The equivalent of 17 billion today. At the time it was 40% of the treasury and 5% of GNP. The slaves themselves got nothing of course but they should be eternally grateful to us because we stopped brutally enslaving them. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 5, 2023 13:59:36 GMT
Amazing how someone with 8 O levels and 4 A levels can appear so thick. Do you suppose he is aware that slavery was banned in Britain in 1833 but continued in the US until 1865 officially. Unofficially it continued in the US for decades after 1865. And I wonder if he is aware that the British government dispatched the Royal Navy anti slavery squadron to patrol the shores of Africa to stop slave ships and for 60 years they were very successeful. But no one talks about that. 'Dramatic Studies' sounds pretty dramatic. What did he do, fall off the stage? I wonder how many people are aware that without paying off the slave owners the act would never have passed. The people who made huge fortunes out of the misery of slavery were payed off to the tune of £20 million. The equivalent of 17 billion today. At the time it was 40% of the treasury and 5% of GNP. The slaves themselves got nothing of course but they should be eternally grateful to us because we stopped brutally enslaving them. Well said. We did indeed stop buying black slaves from black slave traders who made a fortune selling their fellow countrymen to wealthy Americans and Europeans. In fact we were the first to outlaw slavery and went to some lengths to stop other countries buying black slaves from black slave traders although to be fair, few people talk about that. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Feb 5, 2023 14:47:21 GMT
I wonder how many people are aware that without paying off the slave owners the act would never have passed. The people who made huge fortunes out of the misery of slavery were payed off to the tune of £20 million. The equivalent of 17 billion today. At the time it was 40% of the treasury and 5% of GNP. The slaves themselves got nothing of course but they should be eternally grateful to us because we stopped brutally enslaving them. Well said. We did indeed stop buying black slaves from black slave traders who made a fortune selling their fellow countrymen to wealthy Americans and Europeans. In fact we were the first to outlaw slavery and went to some lengths to stop other countries buying black slaves from black slave traders although to be fair, few people talk about that. I think you mean the Barbary Slave Traders who were Arabs not blacks. We paid the Arabs handsomely to round up sub Saharan Africans to export to our sugar plantations and our former colonies in America. We should demand reparations from the ancestors of former slaves to pay back the 17 billion it cost us to stop treating them as sub humans. |
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Post by Ripley on Feb 5, 2023 15:23:59 GMT
Hundreds of people have turned down life achievement honours. Official records show 22 people have turned down the chance to be knighted, more than 450 have declined MBEs and around 200 OBEs, among them: Michael Sheen …returned his OBE in 2017 following his own research into the relationship of his native Wales and the British state, after being asked to deliver a lecture themed around “Who speaks for Wales.” “I didn’t mean any disrespect but I just realized I’d be a hypocrite if I said the things I was going to say in the lecture about the nature of the relationship between Wales and the British state,” he said. George the Poet Artist George the Poet said last year that he turned down an MBE because of the “pure evil” of the British Empire. “I see myself as student, admirer and friend of Britain, however the colonial trauma inflicted on the children of Africa, entrenched across our geo-political and macro-economic realities, prevents me from accepting the title Member of the British Empire.” John le Carré Author John le Carré was included on a list leaked to The Sunday Times of hundreds of people who had declined an honor, although it was not known why the espionage writer, born David Cornwell, declined the award. Ken Loach Film director revealed he had turned down an OBE in 1977. “It’s all the things I think are despicable: patronage, deferring to the monarchy and the name of the British Empire, which is a monument of exploitation and conquest,” he is reported as telling the Radio Times. “I turned down the OBE because it’s not a club you want to join when you look at the villains who’ve got it.” Danny Boyle, Director Jim Broadbent, Actor Yasmin Alibhai-Brown Journalist and author Yasmin Alibhai-Brown: “I was stupid once and allowed myself to accept an MBE, partly to please my mum, who was always afraid that my big mouth would get us deported from here, as we were from Uganda,” she wrote in 2009. “But I now speak with the zeal of a convert. The honours system sucks and we should start again, devise a fair and independent new method to annually acclaim exceptional citizens for their contribution to the nation, not to overweening political parties or the semi-skilled, dysfunctional Windsors,” she wrote. John Lennon, who returned the MBE he was awarded alongside the three other Beatles in 1965 over British foreign policy. “I began to be ashamed of being British,” Lennon said when discussing Britain’s involvement in the Biafra war. “I was going to send the MBE back anyway.” Howard Gayle, Football player. Howard Gayle turned down an MBE in 2016, calling it a “betrayal” to Africans who suffered or died at the hands of the British Empire. Gayle, the first black footballer to play for Liverpool FC wrote in a Facebook post: “I had to decline the nomination for the reason that my ancestors would be turning in their graves after how Empire and Colonialism had enslaved them.” Benjamin Zephaniah Poet Benjamin Zephaniah revealed he received an invitation from the Prime Minister’s office to receive the title of OBE – Order of the British Empire – but rejected it, writing: “I am profoundly anti-empire.” “Me? I thought, OBE me? Up yours, I thought. I get angry when I hear that word ‘empire’; it reminds me of slavery, it reminds of thousands of years of brutality, it reminds me of how my foremothers were raped and my forefathers brutalised,” he wrote in 2003. David Bowie Musician David Bowie turned down a CBE (Commander of the British Empire) in 2000 and a knighthood in 2003. “I would never have any intention of accepting anything like that. I seriously don’t know what it’s for. It’s not what I spent my life working for,” he said. JG Ballard Writer JG Ballard turned down a CBE, saying that the award “goes with the whole system of hereditary privilege and rank, which should be swept away.” He told the Guardian in 2003: “As a republican, I can’t accept an honour awarded by the monarch. There’s all that bowing and scraping and mummery at the palace. It’s the whole climate of deference to the monarch and everything else it represents. They just seem to perpetuate the image of Britain as too much pomp and not enough circumstance. It’s a huge pantomime where tinsel takes the place of substance.” www.cnn.com/2020/12/31/uk/new-year-honours-2020-celebrities-intl-scli-gbr/index.html |
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