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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 28, 2023 10:48:56 GMT
If I am correct there isn't so much a criticism of the Tory party as a criticism of how they conduct their business affairs particularly with regard to tax havens and loopholes. Now Labour politicians may do the same. But Morgan named publicly known information about Tory donors. The question I ask is why if you have so much money that you can afford solicitors and accountants to arrange for tax avoidance, would you pay money into the Tory party. Possible answers: The Tories would never pass a law that costs you something You get invited to the right places and parties where you can do off the record deals. You can exert a lot of pressure on Tory legislation by threatening to withdraw support. You get free holidays in each others private getaways including yachts and hotels. You get to be a Lord where all those benefits multiply just by using the title. Better service, entry into private clubs, special insider information. The whole thing is like a shadow royalty and it starts with having enough money to pay into it. It is the unshakable class system that produces more for those inside it and less for those outside it. It is why so few new homes are being built...too many and the value of the current stock (owned by Tory property companies) goes down. Why there isn't more internal investment in start ups and venture capital...money is safer abroad and out of the UK where taxes are relatively high. The whole ancient system of aristocracy and brown paper envelopes will never stop until the country gets rid of the Lords and rid of off shore accounts. And it can't come fast enough. You ask why a person able to pay for accountants etc would donate to a political party ? In the Regulatory Impact Assessment to IR35 Dawn Primarolo the twat out of her depth in so many ways landed with the job of Paymaster General after the Prince of Darkness screwed the previous incumbent by making him an accessory to fraud stated plainly, categorically and openly the legislation would be useful to a number of minimum wage employees forced to operate in a way we now call ‘the gig economy’, would be ignored by professional footballers who can afford lawyers to fight any claim, and would fuck their intended target, small to medium enterprise. In the first meeting of a new trade body inaugurated to consider our options, one of the persons who later became a director suggested the Ecclestone Approach, Bernie, you may recall, bunged Blair a million quid to make the proposed tobacco ban on F1 go away He knew this was not legal and he did it anyway History shows that the ban was delayed for some time allowing Bernie to continue making a killing from tobacco sponsorships for a while. In due course the tobacco sponsor ban was enacted after which the illegality of the donation was publicised and presto labour were dragged through the mud and Bernie was handed his money back For the cost of maybe two years interest Bernie royally fucked Blair over and made millions he would not otherwise have been able to make In our inaugural meeting it was stated without rancour but as a simple matter of fact that the well over a thousand founder members could quite probably afford to pony up a thousand pounds each from next weeks invoices and that a million quid emptied onto Blair’s desk would almost certainly have the measure re-thought seeing as it was the word in his ear from two dodgy Indians, and the fury of one of Gordon Browns aides who had just been two timed by her IT consultant boyfriend about to be fiancée that initiated the process of finding a way to fuck us over. The assembled voices decided that was not the way, and frittered the funds on a high court case that we lost Ho hum |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 28, 2023 11:38:07 GMT
The whole thing is like a shadow royalty and it starts with having enough money to pay into it. It is the unshakable class system that produces more for those inside it and less for those outside it. It is why so few new homes are being built...too many and the value of the current stock (owned by Tory property companies) goes down.
Why there isn't more internal investment in start ups and venture capital...money is safer abroad and out of the UK where taxes are relatively high. Well that is nonsense - the Tories brought in housebuilding targets for local authorities and that was one of the main reasons they lost the Chesham and Amersham by-election as the voters switched to support the LibDems who were fighting more housbuilding. |
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Post by Handyman on Jan 28, 2023 12:34:53 GMT
Tory donors own UK properties via more than 150 offshore firms People including property developers and peers who have collectively donated £21m named on new register Henry Dyer, Rowena Mason, Ben Quinn and Carmen Aguilar García Fri 27 Jan 2023 14.45 GMT Conservative donors who have collectively given the party more than £21m since 2001 have been declared as the ultimate owners of UK properties held through more than 150 offshore companies in a new government register. They include major property developers, such as the Reuben brothers, David and Simon, as well as Nick Candy, a UK-based businessman who owns a £160m flat and other properties through companies based in Guernsey. Others include Mohamed Amersi, the telecoms businessman who owns a London property through a British Virgin Islands (BVI) company, and Sanjeev Gupta, the metals tycoon behind the steel firm Liberty Global, who owns a Chelsea property through a company incorporated in the Bahamas. www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jan/27/tory-donors-own-uk-properties-via-more-than-150-offshore-firmBut don't worry they are looking after OUR interests. Ho Ho Bleedin' Ho. As if.  Is it a Criminal Offence to donate to a Political Party of your choice ? No full stop. Is it an Offence to register your Company outside of the UK in another Country ? No Full Stop Is it an Offence to have bank accounts outside of the UK in another County / No Full Stop. Anyone who wishes to open a Bank Account outside of the UK in another country can , you if you wished can even open a Bank Account in Switzerland if you want to on line, No Offence full stop. As long as you pay any taxes on your income that is due to the HMRC on income earned in the UK, funds lodged overseas will be taxed at the going rate set by the Country it is kept in, Tax Avoidance all perfectly legal. As for the Guardian not the fountain of all knowledge, far from it |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 28, 2023 14:56:49 GMT
If I am correct there isn't so much a criticism of the Tory party as a criticism of how they conduct their business affairs particularly with regard to tax havens and loopholes. Now Labour politicians may do the same. But Morgan named publicly known information about Tory donors. The question I ask is why if you have so much money that you can afford solicitors and accountants to arrange for tax avoidance, would you pay money into the Tory party. Possible answers: The Tories would never pass a law that costs you something You get invited to the right places and parties where you can do off the record deals. You can exert a lot of pressure on Tory legislation by threatening to withdraw support. You get free holidays in each others private getaways including yachts and hotels. You get to be a Lord where all those benefits multiply just by using the title. Better service, entry into private clubs, special insider information. The whole thing is like a shadow royalty and it starts with having enough money to pay into it. It is the unshakable class system that produces more for those inside it and less for those outside it. It is why so few new homes are being built...too many and the value of the current stock (owned by Tory property companies) goes down. Why there isn't more internal investment in start ups and venture capital...money is safer abroad and out of the UK where taxes are relatively high. The whole ancient system of aristocracy and brown paper envelopes will never stop until the country gets rid of the Lords and rid of off shore accounts. And it can't come fast enough. Yes, very good - it's called politics, darling. Labour, and indeed every other party, do it too. That's why individuals and organisations contribute to political parties - to further their own interests.
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Post by Morgan on Jan 28, 2023 15:11:08 GMT
Why don't you Tory supporters explain why you want another 12 years of falling living standards, failing education and increasing immigration which even you lot must be aware of? Oh it's alright, I've remembered. "Things would be far worse under Labour." That's all you can say.  |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 28, 2023 15:56:19 GMT
Why don't you Tory supporters explain why you want another 12 years of falling living standards, failing education and increasing immigration which even you lot must be aware of? Oh it's alright, I've remembered. "Things would be far worse under Labour." That's all you can say. Well instead of you asking us, because it's clear you aren't happy with 'all' our responses., YOU tell us how things would be better under Labour/Lib-dems, because they are the only two parties than can replace the Tories.
So you tell us, what magic wand are they going to wave to make things go away, ** don't rush your answer, you'll find most of us are pretty patient on here LOL |
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Post by Handyman on Jan 28, 2023 16:07:08 GMT
Why don't you Tory supporters explain why you want another 12 years of falling living standards, failing education and increasing immigration which even you lot must be aware of? Oh it's alright, I've remembered. "Things would be far worse under Labour." That's all you can say. And why would they want or wish to tell you that after all how they Vote it is none of your or anyone else's business confidential, I am surprised that the far left have not demanded we vote in open factory yards and open spaces as they did when holding strike ballots a show of hands, very few failed to put their hand up against the strike knowing full well they would be in for a kicking |
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Post by ratcliff on Jan 28, 2023 16:15:35 GMT
So you can't find a sensible answer and have to resort to abuse and innuendo then? Now pay attention. You fall for it every time. You have to remember that you two half wits don't make one wit between you.  I've told you a million times I don't support Labour but you two are apparently the only two numpties in the country who after 13 years of Tory chaos and you're still chanting "Anyone but Labour." You'll never learn. I am a floating voter. You are supporting a drowning dying party. Kids going hungry to school? Thousands of homeless with no chance of a decent one and all you can cry is "Labour would be worse.Ner ner ner. " You must be bloody mad. I think it far worse the Labour party being funded by Unions that are bringing the country to a standstill and holding the country to ransom with strikes.
Schools next week, children who lost out education during Covid now being used as political pawns, the Labour party should hang their heads in shame, and Starmer who hasn't got the balls to come right out and condemn these strikes, the shithouse that he is.
The alternative to the Tories is far worse, and most intelligent people know that, Blair single handed fucked up the NHS in 2004, and the NHS has never recovered, one word of advice, if you are a 'floating voter' vote for any one other than Labour, or you might not live to regret it.
Just heard on car radio that 100 staff at British museum are going on strike during school half term (didn't say why). Don't these idiots realise that London is full of great museums and if the British museum is closed/has queues people will go to one of the others |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 28, 2023 17:26:25 GMT
Why don't you Tory supporters explain why you want another 12 years of falling living standards, failing education and increasing immigration which even you lot must be aware of? Oh it's alright, I've remembered. "Things would be far worse under Labour." That's all you can say. I'm struggling to imagine any scenario in which Jeremy Corbyn would have been better. Care to have a bash? |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 29, 2023 8:40:36 GMT
Why don't you Tory supporters explain why you want another 12 years of falling living standards, failing education and increasing immigration which even you lot must be aware of? Oh it's alright, I've remembered. " Things would be far worse under Labour." That's all you can say. So how would things be any better if labour were at the helm lefty? |
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Post by thomas on Jan 29, 2023 9:12:45 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2023 13:51:51 GMT
So how would things be any better if labour were at the helm lefty? They won't be, Jonksy. Labour talk in rhetoric, whenever they are pressed on actual details of plans, they branch off into prepared soundbites. Don't get me wrong, I'm not voting for either of the main parties. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 29, 2023 15:00:00 GMT
The whole thing is like a shadow royalty and it starts with having enough money to pay into it. It is the unshakable class system that produces more for those inside it and less for those outside it. It is why so few new homes are being built...too many and the value of the current stock (owned by Tory property companies) goes down.
Why there isn't more internal investment in start ups and venture capital...money is safer abroad and out of the UK where taxes are relatively high. Well that is nonsense - the Tories brought in housebuilding targets for local authorities and that was one of the main reasons they lost the Chesham and Amersham by-election as the voters switched to support the LibDems who were fighting more housbuilding. That was a protest vote. I know the area. I never saw a Labour poster in the area in all my time. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 29, 2023 15:50:24 GMT
Why don't you Tory supporters explain why you want another 12 years of falling living standards, failing education and increasing immigration which even you lot must be aware of? Oh it's alright, I've remembered. "Things would be far worse under Labour." That's all you can say. Well instead of you asking us, because it's clear you aren't happy with 'all' our responses., YOU tell us how things would be better under Labour/Lib-dems, because they are the only two parties than can replace the Tories.
So you tell us, what magic wand are they going to wave to make things go away, ** don't rush your answer, you'll find most of us are pretty patient on here LOL you know I said we were 'patient' I didn't mean we'd wait forever for your response.
I'm compelled to start chanting ...Why are we waiting.. why are we waiting ... why oh why oh why? LOL |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 29, 2023 17:51:36 GMT
Well that is nonsense - the Tories brought in housebuilding targets for local authorities and that was one of the main reasons they lost the Chesham and Amersham by-election as the voters switched to support the LibDems who were fighting more housbuilding. That was a protest vote. I know the area. I never saw a Labour poster in the area in all my time. Of course it was - it was protesting the Tory proposals for more housebuilding - people do not want more housebuilding. It was also protesting the Tory policy to build HS2 but that is another issue. |
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