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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2023 12:38:18 GMT
The connection between the two years which are 28 years apart ?
They are both two years away from a general election, both of these years had a Conservative government in power for some time, and in both instances the Conservative government was deeply unpopular and doing badly in the polls.
In both instances the Labour Party have / had a moderate, a Social Democrat as leader, but there are some differences bewtween now and 1995.
The first big difference is that unlike in 1995, all the key economic indicators are pointing towards a looming recession, with figures released only this morning (26th January) that new car sales are at their lowest for over 60 years. The UK under a staggering FIVE different Conservative Prime Ministers since 2010 has seen persistent low and disappointing growth.
Reading the tabloid press this morning, its very evident that even The Daily Mail and Daily Express are highly critical of the government.
The election forecaster Electoral Calculous currently predict a Labour majority of 194 seats if an election were held tomorrow, this is based on a mean average of all opinion polls.
In the run-up to the 1997 general election Labour were averaging 20 points ahead of the Tories, exactly the same as today. The Sun Newspaper switched from Conservative to Labour and some scared Tories switched sides.
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QUESTION: What could the Conservatives do to change things ?
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Post by ratcliff on Jan 26, 2023 12:44:33 GMT
The connection between the two years which are 28 years apart ? They are both two years away from a general election, both of these years had a Conservative government in power for some time, and in both instances the Conservative government was deeply unpopular and doing badly in the polls. In both instances the Labour Party have / had a moderate, a Social Democrat as leader, but there are some differences bewtween now and 1995. The first big difference is that unlike in 1995, all the key economic indicators are pointing towards a looming recession, with figures released only this morning (26th January) that new car sales are at their lowest for over 60 years. The UK under a staggering FIVE different Conservative Prime Ministers since 2010 has seen persistent low and disappointing growth. Reading the tabloid press this morning, its very evident that even The Daily Mail and Daily Express are highly critical of the government. The election forecaster Electoral Calculous currently predict a Labour majority of 194 seats if an election were held tomorrow, this is based on a mean average of all opinion polls. In the run-up to the 1997 general election Labour were averaging 20 points ahead of the Tories, exactly the same as today. The Sun Newspaper switched from Conservative to Labour and some scared Tories switched sides. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- QUESTION: What could the Conservatives do to change things ? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Falling car sales probably Covid and cost of living related imo |
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Post by dodgydave on Jan 26, 2023 14:11:13 GMT
Woah woah, Starmer is not a Social Democrat, he wants to be "world king" just like Boris. He has zero ties to grass routes Labour or the trade union movement. He was parachuted in 2014.
He has zero political ideology, he changes his stance to match the way the wind is blowing (ie a populist), as displayed by his support for that Corbyn manifesto lol.
If he was a true Social Democrat he would be pursuing a high tax, high spend, big government agenda (ie Nordic model)... not this Tory Lite bullshit he is promoting.
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Post by see2 on Jan 26, 2023 15:09:35 GMT
Woah woah, Starmer is not a Social Democrat, he wants to be "world king" just like Boris. He has zero ties to grass routes Labour or the trade union movement. He was parachuted in 2014. He has zero political ideology, he changes his stance to match the way the wind is blowing (ie a populist), as displayed by his support for that Corbyn manifesto lol. If he was a true Social Democrat he would be pursuing a high tax, high spend, big government agenda (ie Nordic model)... not this Tory Lite bullshit he is promoting. It's an unprovable claim, just an opinion to say "he has zero ties to grass routes Labour or the trade union movement". As for zero political ideology, perhaps you should wait until after the Labour Manifesto is revealed. Yes, he even preferred the Corbyn manifesto to more of the Tory crap. No blame there. I see him as more of a New Labour style politician, i.e. neither left wing nor right wing, but a bit of both, with and objective approach to politics. That would have the Tories doing it in their pants. It is the term "Tory Lite" that is bullshit. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 26, 2023 18:20:04 GMT
It's pretty much a given that Labour will win the next election but do they have any actual policy's that will significantly make a difference?. The money is not there to massively expand borrowing, tax receipts are collapsing, business taxes will be among the highest in the world, windfall taxes have flopped.. - and I dont think that removing VAT from private schools is going to save us..
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Post by see2 on Jan 26, 2023 18:48:22 GMT
It's pretty much a given that Labour will win the next election but do they have any actual policy's that will significantly make a difference?. The money is not there to massively expand borrowing, tax receipts are collapsing, business taxes will be among the highest in the world, windfall taxes have flopped.. - and I dont think that removing VAT from private schools is going to save us.. You do seem too ready to make a negative comment, I will at least wait for the Labour Manifesto before making a comment on what Labour will try to do if they win the next election. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 26, 2023 18:54:44 GMT
It's pretty much a given that Labour will win the next election but do they have any actual policy's that will significantly make a difference?. The money is not there to massively expand borrowing, tax receipts are collapsing, business taxes will be among the highest in the world, windfall taxes have flopped.. - and I dont think that removing VAT from private schools is going to save us.. You do seem too ready to make a negative comment, I will at least wait for the Labour Manifesto before making a comment on what Labour will try to do if they win the next election. The braindead lawyer has already reneged on his policies and he'll struggle to find a suitable calibre of people to enact any policies, all mainstream parties have the same problem, all embedded with numpties. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 26, 2023 19:42:04 GMT
You do seem too ready to make a negative comment, I will at least wait for the Labour Manifesto before making a comment on what Labour will try to do if they win the next election. The braindead lawyer has already reneged on his policies and he'll struggle to find a suitable calibre of people to enact any policies, all mainstream parties have the same problem, all embedded with numpties. HIS policies have not yet been revealed. |
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Post by dodgydave on Jan 27, 2023 1:46:52 GMT
Woah woah, Starmer is not a Social Democrat, he wants to be "world king" just like Boris. He has zero ties to grass routes Labour or the trade union movement. He was parachuted in 2014. He has zero political ideology, he changes his stance to match the way the wind is blowing (ie a populist), as displayed by his support for that Corbyn manifesto lol. If he was a true Social Democrat he would be pursuing a high tax, high spend, big government agenda (ie Nordic model)... not this Tory Lite bullshit he is promoting. It's an unprovable claim, just an opinion to say "he has zero ties to grass routes Labour or the trade union movement". As for zero political ideology, perhaps you should wait until after the Labour Manifesto is revealed. Yes, he even preferred the Corbyn manifesto to more of the Tory crap. No blame there. I see him as more of a New Labour style politician, i.e. neither left wing nor right wing, but a bit of both, with and objective approach to politics. That would have the Tories doing it in their pants. It is the term "Tory Lite" that is bullshit. Hahah what? You constantly take this bizarre stance where you defend the left for defending sake, and see any criticism of anybody on the left as being pro-Tory. There is this thing called the internet... you can use it research people (biography etc) and also research people's / group's opinions of them. Starmer is very unpopular at grass roots level, and even more unpopular with the unions. The fact you claim not to know this is just weird and cringeworthy. Who mentioned his manifesto, we are talking what he stands for. He lied his way into the leadership position, tried to overturn Brexit now is pro-Brexit lol, backed a radical Democratic Socialist manifesto then did a full 180... the man is a populist who wants power, no different from Boris. People are saying he is Tory Lite because he hasn't got the balls to speak true Social Democratic values. It is obvious to everybody with a brain that we cannot have the public services we want on the low tax burden we currently pay, yet his language is "we cannot afford" and "fully costed"... like a fucking Tory!!! Labour are going to win a landslide despite Starmer, not because of him. Then we will have the real fun as the actually Social Democrats seek to de-throne him. To be honest it won't take long, if you set yourself up as Peter Perfect you leave yourself no wiggle room when your lies catch up with you. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 27, 2023 8:06:38 GMT
Woah woah, Starmer is not a Social Democrat, he wants to be "world king" just like Boris. He has zero ties to grass routes Labour or the trade union movement. He was parachuted in 2014. He has zero political ideology, he changes his stance to match the way the wind is blowing (ie a populist), as displayed by his support for that Corbyn manifesto lol. If he was a true Social Democrat he would be pursuing a high tax, high spend, big government agenda (ie Nordic model)... not this Tory Lite bullshit he is promoting. That is the perfect summary of Keir Starmer, he is very Tory Lite. That's why many Trade Unions Labour voters and indeed some Labour MP's don't trust him. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 27, 2023 8:24:49 GMT
TBH - will anyone notice anything different when Starmer does get into No 10?. The current crop of 'Conservatives' are left-wing on fiscal policy = high tax, high spend, high debt - & left-wing on social policy = record immigration, lax border control, crime epidemic, gay marriage, LGBT flags on every government building, "diversity consultants" by the truckload.. etc etc..
So what would change?
The only difference I can see is that the Indian gets replaced by the White guy but they still take their orders from the WEF.
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