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Post by Vinny on Jan 26, 2023 10:53:23 GMT
It's high time we had an independent military supply chain again.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 30, 2023 16:44:01 GMT
But we have one.
Staffed by a team with decades of expertise on building fighting vehicles
I can’t help it if Abbey Wood are a bunch of clowns who can’t be trusted to specify a sharp stick and demand battery packs more bloody explosive than the rounds fired by the main gun.
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Post by Vinny on Jan 30, 2023 17:08:56 GMT
We used to have the Scotswood and Barnbow factories.
We've haemorrhaged our supply chain, and for what ?
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Post by patman post on Jan 30, 2023 17:50:55 GMT
It's high time we had an independent military supply chain again. Why? The UK isn’t made of money, and it needs to concentrate its investment and expertise on the areas that will gain the best return. Germany’s Leopard appears to be Europe’s favourite. The UK could benefit by sharing development costs with others in getting its heavy armour. At the moment the UK depleted military is rated as below useful by some US military. So there must be other areas where British expertise can usefully put its arms expenditure…
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Post by Vinny on Jan 31, 2023 7:09:20 GMT
Evidently the threat is such that we need to start to rebuild our military now before matters get worse.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2023 8:59:00 GMT
We've got one in France or Germany or..........
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 1, 2023 16:13:44 GMT
We've got one in France or Germany or.......... We’ve got one in Merthyr Tydfil and another in Crumln next door to the Pot Noodle Mine
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2023 4:49:50 GMT
We've got one in France or Germany or.......... We’ve got one in Merthyr Tydfil and another in Crumln next door to the Pot Noodle Mine As I said, German.
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Post by jonksy on Feb 2, 2023 5:17:38 GMT
We've got one in France or Germany or.......... French Tanks LOL......Who wants tanks that go faster in reverse than they do forward.....The Australians certainly don't.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2023 6:48:32 GMT
We've got one in France or Germany or.......... French Tanks LOL......Who wants tanks that go faster in reverse than they do forward.....The Australians certainly don't. We get our water from a French company and water needs tanks. 🤣
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Post by jonksy on Feb 2, 2023 7:53:37 GMT
French Tanks LOL......Who wants tanks that go faster in reverse than they do forward.....The Australians certainly don't. We get our water from a French company and water needs tanks. 🤣 And so does your bullshit.
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 2, 2023 8:12:05 GMT
We’ve got one in Merthyr Tydfil and another in Crumln next door to the Pot Noodle Mine As I said, German. Really ? Ajax is German ? My former team of naval missile developers, who went to Siemens Plessey and developed the Finnish Air Traffic Management Information radar console when Ferranti fell, while I went to Project Manage the abortion and disaster that was the Flight Planning Console, and who from there transferred to the American / Canadian outfit General Dynamics who took over the British outfit Computing Devices I went to do the Tornado Low Level simulator for, now make fighting vehicles whose batteries are more dangerous than their ammunition. I wasn’t aware myself if German involvement in the design, if there had been, the things might actually have worked.
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Post by Vinny on Feb 2, 2023 9:16:05 GMT
It's high time we had an independent military supply chain again. Why? The UK isn’t made of money, and it needs to concentrate its investment and expertise on the areas that will gain the best return. Germany’s Leopard appears to be Europe’s favourite. The UK could benefit by sharing development costs with others in getting its heavy armour. At the moment the UK depleted military is rated as below useful by some US military. So there must be other areas where British expertise can usefully put its arms expenditure… The Leopard doesn't have Dorchester armour (the best known tank armour of our age). The Challenger 2 does. The Challenger 3 will. BUT, I have suggested we give all our Challenger 2's to Ukraine, buy M1 Abrams as an interim (it has Chobham armour, which Dorchester was developed from), and then build brand new tanks with Dorchester armour. Btw, interesting bit of trivia, the next variant of the M1 Abrams will have a traditional diesel rather than gas turbine engine.
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Post by patman post on Feb 2, 2023 14:20:01 GMT
Isn't it true that the Leopard 2 has a 120mm smoothbore gun, which is considered to be superior to the Challenger 2's 120mm rifled gun, because the smoothbore has benefitted from continuous ammunition developments?
It's also been reported that the British Army plans to ditch its older gun and fit a 120mm smoothbore gun to Challenger 3 when it enters service in 2027.
Although there's a belief that Challenger 2 is better protected than either Leopard 2 or M1 Abrams, modern anti-tank guided missiles are lethal. To counter ATGMs, Leopard 2 and M1 Abrams are fitted with active defensive systems able to defeat incoming anti-tank missiles.
Challenger does not have this feature yet, though it is planned.
Tanks are expensive — several millions each. Wouldn't it be more cost-effective for the UK to cooperate with the Germans on tank development and manufacture, especially as the Leopard enjoys a larger number of customers than the Challenger...?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2023 14:20:04 GMT
We get our water from a French company and water needs tanks. 🤣 And so does your bullshit. When is a joke not a joke, when it upsets the snowflakes. 😂
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