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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2023 11:08:21 GMT
Fine, but you don't need Statistics 101 to see that Brexit is the reason why the UK has not been able to return to pre-pandemic level. It's just like s**t -- you don't need to taste it to know that it's s**t. I have given you facts that are impossible to refute. Facts that would make anyone with a bit of nous and realism see that it is Brexit that has damaged and continues to damage our economy. But you choose to reject and dismiss them outright so now the ball is in your court. It's your turn to prove me wrong and since you're so big on evidence -- where is you evidence that Brexit has NOT had a negative impact on the economy? The UK was one of the slowest G7 nations coming out of the financial crisis as well, it was a fully paid up member of the EU at the time. However, now that you don't have the evidence to provide your claim you want me to provide you evidence on why Brexit isn't to blame for the UK's economic recovery after a global pandemic. Lol. Yet, you still have the audacity to stand behind your baseless claim because you digest remain led headlines as gospel and claim you don't need statistics to see they reason why the UK hasn't returned to pre-pandemic levels. Like I said to you previously, your thinking is rudimentary and ideological. It's already established and accepted that Brexit has had a negative impact on the economy. And it is not only I who is claiming it. Everybody is claiming it. Brexit apologists may not want to talk about it but everybody else knows and accepts that Brexit is the culprit. From the government, to Bloomberg Economics, to the OBR, et al., et. al., et. al. Why don't you read the link you gave me again? Maybe this time you'd see that even Briefings for Britain confirms that Brexit what everybody says. Even Vice Brexit Apologist The Telegraph ran this opinion piece recently: "Brexit 'costing UK economy £100B a year'" www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/brexit-costing-uk-economy-100bn-a-year-latest-updates/ar-AA16VXpt?ocid=Peregrine&cvid=31980da7849d48b284b18e4b4a03b689So sadly for you, it is only you who is denying it. Even to yourself, it seems. You can't face up to what's staring you in the face. You refute the fact that Brexit has had a negative impact on the UK economy. Fine, but you can not provide any evidence -- anything, really -- to substantiate your rebuttal and counter claim. So, don't point your finger at me.   It is you who is making baseless claims. You're talking out of your ass and breathing-in the hot gas coming out of it. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 31, 2023 11:20:49 GMT
One day remoaners will find something else to sulk about.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2023 11:20:58 GMT
Whatever it is -- platform or substance -- Brexit has bolstered Scotland's argument for independence. Whether or not it was a UK-wide vote is irrelevant to Scotland. They voted to remain in the EU but can't do so because England and Wales voted to leave; therefore? They must leave the United Kingdom. Forget economics, forget history; wishing to be in the EU and being prevent from doing so is the only argument they are presenting at the moment. I'm sorry, but Scotland is still a nation that has supposedly equal say in the union. And if the rest of the union can't respect the will of the Scottish people then you have to let them leave the union. It’s bolstered nothing . It has merely provided another platform for claiming to be oppressed. They voted in a UK referendum . You forget whatever you want but don’t insist others forget that the EU narrative is a side show to the main narrative of keeping their perceived future wealth from the English . I understand that some disgruntled remainers might wish otherwise or pretend otherwise to bolster their own bitterness at Brexit but the reality is that Brexit is being used by the SNP to make the false claim of being oppressed. But the Scots are oppressed, aren't they? I mean, in the strictest sense of the word. They want out of the UK or at least, they want the opportunity to express it via a referendum but the UK government shut them down. So, they're oppressed in that way. In any case, forget who uses whom and what and for what end. The bottom line is this: Scotland's wish to remain in the EU is nobody else's business but theirs. The UK Parliament's role is to whether to grant Scotland independence or not. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 31, 2023 11:52:46 GMT
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Post by Bentley on Jan 31, 2023 11:59:55 GMT
It’s bolstered nothing . It has merely provided another platform for claiming to be oppressed. They voted in a UK referendum . You forget whatever you want but don’t insist others forget that the EU narrative is a side show to the main narrative of keeping their perceived future wealth from the English . I understand that some disgruntled remainers might wish otherwise or pretend otherwise to bolster their own bitterness at Brexit but the reality is that Brexit is being used by the SNP to make the false claim of being oppressed. But the Scots are oppressed, aren't they? I mean, in the strictest sense of the word. They want out of the UK or at least, they want the opportunity to express it via a referendum but the UK government shut them down. So, they're oppressed in that way. In any case, forget who uses whom and what and for what end. The bottom line is this: Scotland's wish to remain in the EU is nobody else's business but theirs. The UK Parliament's role is to whether to grant Scotland independence or not. In the strictest sense of the word they would be oppressed if they wanted to have a referendum every weekend and Westminster didn't allow it . That’s why you can’t use these terms in the strictest sense of the word . The bottom line is that the narrative for Scottish independence is that the SNP Scots don’t want the English to get their hands in the treasures that they believe they have . Hence every road leads to independence. Any other narrative is a side show. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jan 31, 2023 12:17:37 GMT
The UK was one of the slowest G7 nations coming out of the financial crisis as well, it was a fully paid up member of the EU at the time. However, now that you don't have the evidence to provide your claim you want me to provide you evidence on why Brexit isn't to blame for the UK's economic recovery after a global pandemic. Lol. Yet, you still have the audacity to stand behind your baseless claim because you digest remain led headlines as gospel and claim you don't need statistics to see they reason why the UK hasn't returned to pre-pandemic levels. Like I said to you previously, your thinking is rudimentary and ideological. It's already established and accepted that Brexit has had a negative impact on the economy. And it is not only I who is claiming it. Everybody is claiming it. Brexit apologists may not want to talk about it but everybody else knows and accepts that Brexit is the culprit. From the government, to Bloomberg Economics, to the OBR, et al., et. al., et. al. Why don't you read the link you gave me again? Maybe this time you'd see that even Briefings for Britain confirms that Brexit what everybody says. Even Vice Brexit Apologist The Telegraph ran this opinion piece recently: "Brexit 'costing UK economy £100B a year'" www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/brexit-costing-uk-economy-100bn-a-year-latest-updates/ar-AA16VXpt?ocid=Peregrine&cvid=31980da7849d48b284b18e4b4a03b689So sadly for you, it is only you who is denying it. Even to yourself, it seems. You can't face up to what's staring you in the face. You refute the fact that Brexit has had a negative impact on the UK economy. Fine, but you can not provide any evidence -- anything, really -- to substantiate your rebuttal and counter claim. So, don't point your finger at me. It is you who is making baseless claims. You're talking out of your ass and breathing-in the hot gas coming out of it. So, if "everyone" is claiming it, then where is the actual evidence of this? You've failed to produce one single shred of hard evidence that Brexit has had such a negative effect on the economy. You just regurgitate the stuff you hear to confirm your bias. You conflate a world wide pandemic that totally disrupted many industries and still does, a war in Ukraine, inflation and high-interest rates and the highest tax burden in 70 years and you think its all the fault of Britain leaving the EU! Lol And you keep recalling my link that I gave you as evidence that supports your BS. It doesn't. My link states "The hard evidence is that leaving the EU has had remarkably little impact on the UK economy". |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2023 12:22:28 GMT
But the Scots are oppressed, aren't they? I mean, in the strictest sense of the word. They want out of the UK or at least, they want the opportunity to express it via a referendum but the UK government shut them down. So, they're oppressed in that way. In any case, forget who uses whom and what and for what end. The bottom line is this: Scotland's wish to remain in the EU is nobody else's business but theirs. The UK Parliament's role is to whether to grant Scotland independence or not. In the strictest sense of the word they would be oppressed if they wanted to have a referendum every weekend and Westminster didn't allow it . That’s why you can’t use these terms in the strictest sense of the word . The bottom line is that the narrative for Scottish independence is that the SNP Scots don’t want the English to get their hands in the treasures that they believe they have . Hence every road leads to independence. Any other narrative is a side show. If they are oppressed; they are oppressed. You can't flex the meaning of the term to suit your own agenda. So, whatever the narrative is, if you impose upon them your decision to keep Scotland in the union against their will; then you are oppressing them. We are not even talking about narratives. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 31, 2023 12:26:20 GMT
In the strictest sense of the word they would be oppressed if they wanted to have a referendum every weekend and Westminster didn't allow it . That’s why you can’t use these terms in the strictest sense of the word . The bottom line is that the narrative for Scottish independence is that the SNP Scots don’t want the English to get their hands in the treasures that they believe they have . Hence every road leads to independence. Any other narrative is a side show. If they are oppressed; they are oppressed. You can't flex the meaning of the term to suit your own agenda. So, whatever the narrative is, if you impose upon them your decision to keep Scotland in the union against their will; then you are oppressing them. We are not even talking about narratives. It’s not me that flexing it . It’s you . You wanted to use the term in the strictest sense of the word and I pointed out how ridiculous that approach was . You are not talking about narratives now because you realise that I was right ? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2023 12:32:17 GMT
It's already established and accepted that Brexit has had a negative impact on the economy. And it is not only I who is claiming it. Everybody is claiming it. Brexit apologists may not want to talk about it but everybody else knows and accepts that Brexit is the culprit. From the government, to Bloomberg Economics, to the OBR, et al., et. al., et. al. Why don't you read the link you gave me again? Maybe this time you'd see that even Briefings for Britain confirms that Brexit what everybody says. Even Vice Brexit Apologist The Telegraph ran this opinion piece recently: "Brexit 'costing UK economy £100B a year'" www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/brexit-costing-uk-economy-100bn-a-year-latest-updates/ar-AA16VXpt?ocid=Peregrine&cvid=31980da7849d48b284b18e4b4a03b689So sadly for you, it is only you who is denying it. Even to yourself, it seems. You can't face up to what's staring you in the face. You refute the fact that Brexit has had a negative impact on the UK economy. Fine, but you can not provide any evidence -- anything, really -- to substantiate your rebuttal and counter claim. So, don't point your finger at me. It is you who is making baseless claims. You're talking out of your ass and breathing-in the hot gas coming out of it. So, if "everyone" is claiming it, then where is the actual evidence of this? You've failed to produce one single shred of hard evidence that Brexit has had such a negative effect on the economy. You just regurgitate the stuff you hear to confirm your bias. You've been gagging to convince us that Brexit has not had a negative effect on the economy. I gave you a chance earlier and am giving you another chance now to redeem yourself: Where is your evidence to substantiate your claim that Brexit has not had a negative effect on the UK economy? Your own declaration alone is not acceptable and the link you provided earlier actually contradicts you. So, where? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2023 12:35:52 GMT
If they are oppressed; they are oppressed. You can't flex the meaning of the term to suit your own agenda. So, whatever the narrative is, if you impose upon them your decision to keep Scotland in the union against their will; then you are oppressing them. We are not even talking about narratives. It’s not me that flexing it . It’s you . You wanted to use the term in the strictest sense of the word and I pointed out how ridiculous that approach was . You are not talking about narratives now because you realise that I was right ? I'm not the one flexing its meaning by referring to narratives. And I'm not the one insisting on narratives. It's you! I am not talking about narratives now and I was not talking about narratives before. It's you who's been insisting on talking about narratives. It's me who's been telling you that narratives are irrelevant in this particular discussion. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jan 31, 2023 12:37:25 GMT
So, if "everyone" is claiming it, then where is the actual evidence of this? You've failed to produce one single shred of hard evidence that Brexit has had such a negative effect on the economy. You just regurgitate the stuff you hear to confirm your bias. You've been gagging to convince us that Brexit has not had a negative effect on the economy. I gave you a chance earlier and am giving you another chance now to redeem yourself: Where is your evidence to substantiate your claim that Brexit has not had a negative effect on the UK economy? Your own declaration alone is not acceptable and the link you provided earlier actually contradicts you. So, where? I haven't been gagging to do anything. I'm waiting for you to prove your claims are true. You are the one claiming Brexit has done this and that - you whinge and whinge and whinge that Brexit has done all this, so now I want to see your evidence. So, far you've said that it is "indisputable fact" because the UK is the slowest growing economy among the G7 and that's because of Brexit. LOl. You believe correlation equals causation. Yet, when I asked you for actual evidence to support your incessant whinging about Brexit and the economy, you ask me for evidence. Face it. You cannot support it with evidence. You have failed. You read a headline of the remainer led faith and believe it to be true. But when asked to put some meat on those bones (y'know beyond your correlation theory), you're found wanting. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 31, 2023 12:38:44 GMT
It’s not me that flexing it . It’s you . You wanted to use the term in the strictest sense of the word and I pointed out how ridiculous that approach was . You are not talking about narratives now because you realise that I was right ? I'm not the one flexing its meaning by referring to narratives. And I'm not the one insisting on narratives. It's you! I am not talking about narratives now and I was not talking about narratives before. It's you who's been insisting on talking about narratives. It's me who's been telling you that narratives are irrelevant in this particular discussion. Of course they are relevant.You are just incapable of understanding why😁 |
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Post by buccaneer on Jan 31, 2023 12:40:22 GMT
There is no "hard evidence" that Brexit has had a negative impact on GDP, trade, investment, inflation and employment. This is project fear MK 3.0 straight out of the remainers propaganda play book. www.briefingsforbritain.co.uk/what-impact-is-brexit-having-on-the-uk-economy/Secondly, the propaganda is admitted here by Savanta survey bean-counter when he expresses: “It’s hard to imagine being in the EU would solve any of the country’s current economic issues,” he said., “ but perceptions matter.” www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-poll-referendum-rejoin-eu-b2250813.htmlThe UK was in a mess when it was a member of the EU. No single market for financial services, low growth, low productivity, cheap labour, high costs etc. The propagandists can't erase history, and still try and lie that rejoining the EU would solve all these alleged problems they keep looking for. It's one big curated lie that remainers continuously purport - tell it enough - in the hope that it is believed to be true. "Perceptions matter". Businesses, big and small, corporate and family-owned have been saying it; authoritative bodies say it; their studies show it; the government doesn't and can't deny it yet you still demand hard evidence that Brexit has had a negative impact on the economy. That's just an exercise in self-justification and self-delusion, isn't it? So, do Brexit reinforcers have any evidence -- direct, indirect, hard, circumstantial, hearsay, whatever -- to show that Brexit has NOT had a negative impact on the UK economy and businesses? No, they don't.
Objectively, the only conclusion you can draw from the fact that the UK is the only G7 country whose economy has failed to reach pre-Covid levels is that Brexit has damaged and continue to damage the UK economy. I mean, if other G7 countries could get back there quickly, why couldn't the UK? Because the UK is the only economy in the G7 that to has had to and continue to deal with Brexit, that's why. Some might argue that this is circumstantial but objectively, it is just as compelling as direct evidence. BTW, propaganda is this: "The UK was in a mess when it was a member of the EU."This was your response to me asking for your evidence to substantiate your claim. That's all you could muster up. Opinion based on the fact that correlation equals causation. You've failed Gnome. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 31, 2023 12:40:59 GMT
The UK was one of the slowest G7 nations coming out of the financial crisis as well, it was a fully paid up member of the EU at the time. However, now that you don't have the evidence to provide your claim you want me to provide you evidence on why Brexit isn't to blame for the UK's economic recovery after a global pandemic. Lol. Yet, you still have the audacity to stand behind your baseless claim because you digest remain led headlines as gospel and claim you don't need statistics to see they reason why the UK hasn't returned to pre-pandemic levels. Like I said to you previously, your thinking is rudimentary and ideological. It's already established and accepted that Brexit has had a negative impact on the economy. And it is not only I who is claiming it. Everybody is claiming it. Brexit apologists may not want to talk about it but everybody else knows and accepts that Brexit is the culprit. From the government, to Bloomberg Economics, to the OBR, et al., et. al., et. al. Why don't you read the link you gave me again? Maybe this time you'd see that even Briefings for Britain confirms that Brexit what everybody says. Even Vice Brexit Apologist The Telegraph ran this opinion piece recently: "Brexit 'costing UK economy £100B a year'" www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/brexit-costing-uk-economy-100bn-a-year-latest-updates/ar-AA16VXpt?ocid=Peregrine&cvid=31980da7849d48b284b18e4b4a03b689So sadly for you, it is only you who is denying it. Even to yourself, it seems. You can't face up to what's staring you in the face. You refute the fact that Brexit has had a negative impact on the UK economy. Fine, but you can not provide any evidence -- anything, really -- to substantiate your rebuttal and counter claim. So, don't point your finger at me. It is you who is making baseless claims. You're talking out of your ass and breathing-in the hot gas coming out of it. There are threads on here that try to examine why the board does not attract more members and whether the board's witterings should be publicly exposed in order to attract more members. There are good reasons why this may not be a good idea and one is the fanaticism of Remnants. Now I know you have me on ignore but maybe some kind soul will respond to this post so that you may get to read my words of wisdom.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2023 13:21:29 GMT
It's already established and accepted that Brexit has had a negative impact on the economy. And it is not only I who is claiming it. Everybody is claiming it. Brexit apologists may not want to talk about it but everybody else knows and accepts that Brexit is the culprit. From the government, to Bloomberg Economics, to the OBR, et al., et. al., et. al. Why don't you read the link you gave me again? Maybe this time you'd see that even Briefings for Britain confirms that Brexit what everybody says. Even Vice Brexit Apologist The Telegraph ran this opinion piece recently: "Brexit 'costing UK economy £100B a year'" www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/brexit-costing-uk-economy-100bn-a-year-latest-updates/ar-AA16VXpt?ocid=Peregrine&cvid=31980da7849d48b284b18e4b4a03b689So sadly for you, it is only you who is denying it. Even to yourself, it seems. You can't face up to what's staring you in the face. You refute the fact that Brexit has had a negative impact on the UK economy. Fine, but you can not provide any evidence -- anything, really -- to substantiate your rebuttal and counter claim. So, don't point your finger at me. It is you who is making baseless claims. You're talking out of your ass and breathing-in the hot gas coming out of it. There are threads on here that try to examine why the board does not attract more members and whether the board's witterings should be publicly exposed in order to attract more members. There are good reasons why this may not be a good idea and one is the fanaticism of Remnants. Now I know you have me on ignore but maybe some kind soul will respond to this post so that you may get to read my words of wisdom. @gnome |
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It is you who is making baseless claims. You're talking out of your ass and breathing-in the hot gas coming out of it. 
