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Post by see2 on Jan 23, 2023 13:30:00 GMT
The Labour Party and the Circular Economy. Following the referendum Labour claimed it would fully engage with the Circular Economy even though the Tories were not particularly interested. In France, as shown on the French News Channel, refurbishing rather than just scrapping and replacing with new, is part of their move towards a greener France. New cars are being designed for for a high level of refurbishment or reuse one way or another. It is claimed that without the Circular Economy Net Zero cannot be met. resource.co/article/labour-will-embrace-circular-economy-recycling-revolution-11407
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 25, 2023 21:12:03 GMT
The Labour Party and the Circular Economy. Following the referendum Labour claimed it would fully engage with the Circular Economy even though the Tories were not particularly interested. In France, as shown on the French News Channel, refurbishing rather than just scrapping and replacing with new, is part of their move towards a greener France. New cars are being designed for for a high level of refurbishment or reuse one way or another. It is claimed that without the Circular Economy Net Zero cannot be met. resource.co/article/labour-will-embrace-circular-economy-recycling-revolution-11407I have to say that’s the only sense I’ve heard from a net zero freak ever Today when you buy a fridge it is ready to self destruct the week the warranty expires. Unless you allow it to go online and buy an extended warranty that is … Grandmas fridge from the 30s and if one is going there mums from the fifties were designed to withstand a nuclear strike and the motorbikes built by MotoRaden Aus Zhopau were designed to be maintained by a village blacksmith If we do not return to that level of reuse and repair there is no hope for the planet
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 25, 2023 21:54:34 GMT
Interesting. However, how does the circular economy deal with things like built in obsolescence, wind turbine blades, and lithium batteries?
I agree JoG, white goods do fail in no time and these days they are never repaired are they, they are thrown away and replaced.
Apologies See2, but I feel an anecdote rapidly approaching. My parents were married in 1953 and one of the gifts they received was a black Morphy Richards steam iron. That iron still works today, although tbf it probably needs rewiring. In comparison Mrs R and I are on our second steam iron since 2003. So an iron lasts us ten years. Mums Morphy Richards still works after 70 years. Not that we use it, but I have plugged it in, the red light comes on and it heats up. She used it as a doorstop for the last few years due to the fact you need biceps like Garth to use it for more than ten minutes. But it still works.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 25, 2023 22:02:35 GMT
Trouble is that to make goods last 50 years costs money - but the public only want to spend peanuts. The 'cicular economy' is greenwashing bollocks simply because it is being driven by Government focus groups rather than by the spending patterns of the majority of the people.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 25, 2023 22:13:49 GMT
Trouble is that to make goods last 50 years costs money - but the public only want to spend peanuts. The 'cicular economy' is greenwashing bollocks simply because it is being driven by Government focus groups rather than by the spending patterns of the majority of the people. But it costs even more money to produce these so called high-tech items.......Now many car manufacturers are held up by the world shortage of mico chips these days. Low tech is far more efficient and trustworthy.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 25, 2023 22:20:09 GMT
Example how many want a so called smart meter to tell them that putting the kettle on uses x amount of pounds or a fucking fride that reorders what is used. Are we all so dumb and stupid these days that we have to rely on that bullshit to control our lives? And it is estimated that over 30% of smart meters are faulty anyway.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 25, 2023 22:31:17 GMT
Yes but Smart Meters are simply a program by the government where they can control how much energy you can use - they are not driven by customer demand.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 25, 2023 23:53:36 GMT
Yes but Smart Meters are simply a program by the government where they can control how much energy you can use - they are not driven by customer demand. But there are many numpties out there who want them fitted as tho it will save them a buck. It's a bloody career for some to fit these jokes.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 26, 2023 0:11:19 GMT
Trouble is that to make goods last 50 years costs money - but the public only want to spend peanuts. The 'cicular economy' is greenwashing bollocks simply because it is being driven by Government focus groups rather than by the spending patterns of the majority of the people. I don't know about circular economy, I think throw away economy is more apt. These days people get fed up with the same fridge or TV they want the latest model. I remember going to a tip a few years ago, these days it's called a recycling centre, and the mountain of white goods had to be seen to be believed and a chap who worked there assured me they all worked. Incredible.
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Post by dodgydave on Jan 26, 2023 2:28:59 GMT
Trouble is that to make goods last 50 years costs money - but the public only want to spend peanuts. The 'cicular economy' is greenwashing bollocks simply because it is being driven by Government focus groups rather than by the spending patterns of the majority of the people. I don't know about circular economy, I think throw away economy is more apt. These days people get fed up with the same fridge or TV they want the latest model. I remember going to a tip a few years ago, these days it's called a recycling centre, and the mountain of white goods had to be seen to be believed and a chap who worked there assured me they all worked. Incredible. The pace of technological advancement increases over time so things become obsolete faster and faster. eg you would have to be nuts to be using a 10 year washing machine, because you could buy a new CAT A one with the savings on your energy bill!!
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 26, 2023 2:32:49 GMT
I don't know about circular economy, I think throw away economy is more apt. These days people get fed up with the same fridge or TV they want the latest model. I remember going to a tip a few years ago, these days it's called a recycling centre, and the mountain of white goods had to be seen to be believed and a chap who worked there assured me they all worked. Incredible. The pace of technological advancement increases over time so things become obsolete faster and faster. eg you would have to be nuts to be using a 10 year washing machine, because you could buy a new CAT A one with the savings on your energy bill!! Perhaps so, but don't kid me that people dont replace perfectly serviceable white goods for no other reason than they want a new one.
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Post by borchester on Jan 26, 2023 2:45:03 GMT
Why bother with fridges, electric irons and washing machines anyway?
We could send windjammers to the Great Lakes to harvest the ice, put flat irons on the wood stove to heat up and as I can testify from my hippy dippy day, if you really want your whites whiter than white, leave them in a bucket of piddle over night
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 26, 2023 3:19:34 GMT
Why bother with fridges, electric irons and washing machines anyway?
We could send windjammers to the Great Lakes to harvest the ice, put flat irons on the wood stove to heat up and as I can testify from my hippy dippy day, if you really want your whites whiter than white, leave them in a bucket of piddle over night
I've melted snow to make tea and lived in a snow hole with a gale blowing, and at the other extreme we made solar stills to distil urine, although it can be drunk neat. I confess I've never washed my kit in piss, you got me there.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 26, 2023 5:48:48 GMT
My neighbour has two cars from the 1980s still in daily use. A Volvo 960 and a Mercedes 190 - cars built in the days when they were genuinely built to last.
And yet with current emmission regs, they're the very cars that the government wants to get rid of in favour of electric gimmick cars that will be dead in 10 years.
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Post by Toreador on Jan 26, 2023 6:56:06 GMT
My neighbour has two cars from the 1980s still in daily use. A Volvo 960 and a Mercedes 190 - cars built in the days when they were genuinely built to last. And yet with current emmission regs, they're the very cars that the government wants to get rid of in favour of electric gimmick cars that will be dead in 10 years. I have a 2008 V50 2litre diesel that does close to 40mpg. I bought it on eBay for £900 less the £200 the seller bought my wreck of a V40 for (it wasn't worth repairing). My Volvoman, he's a Volvo only breaker told me to hang on to it, the value would rise as they vainly tried to get us all on to electric vehicles; my car would now retail at close to £3,000. A year ago I had a problem and had to change the GER and it was then I found that the accessories were by Ford. I've run a programme of replacing the Ford parts with generics and am now waiting to have a replacement turbo fitted. It's been somewhat expensive but worthwhile both from a functionable and financial point of view it is proving worthwhile and barring accidents I won't need to buy another car; I've bought old Volvos for over twenty years with a couple of them getting close to 300k miles on the clock.
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