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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2023 11:55:21 GMT
There have been 17 postwar prime ministers so far, from Attlee through to Sunak. Whom do you think was the best so far? Note that in Churchills case his inclusion is for his second, peacetime, prime ministership in the 50s and not his wartime leadership as this is a postwar poll.
I reckon the right wingers will mostly go for Thatcher (though one or two might choose Churchill for his wartime leadership in spite of this being a postwar poll)
The centrists will probably choose Blair, and the left probably Attlee.
Though others apart from these might garner one or two votes.
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Post by om15 on Jan 21, 2023 12:04:14 GMT
Mrs T for me.
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Post by see2 on Jan 21, 2023 15:09:45 GMT
I know and understand why she got elected in 1979, IMO the only thing Thatcher got right was to make Wild Cat Strikes illegal. There are many areas where she did a lot of damage. I do recognise the strength of Tory / Tory Pres propaganda that played a massive part in her acceptance so much so that it was her own party that ended her nonsense because the voting public had bought the propaganda hook line and sinker. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 21, 2023 17:38:21 GMT
A toss up between Thatcher and Supermac - in the end went with Thatcher simply because she inherited an economy on the slide and turned it around.
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Post by om15 on Jan 21, 2023 17:51:44 GMT
And defended the Falklands successfully, and banned closed shops, and revitalised industry, and sold council houses.
The people who bitch about Thatcher are those that want something for nothing and believe it is the duty of the State to solve their own problems. When Thatcher came to power I was a reluctant hourly paid union member living in a council house, when she left I was living in my own (very nice) house, drove a company car and had built up savings and a pension fund. I couldn't have done that under Labour because they don't want people to improve themselves.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 21, 2023 17:56:21 GMT
And defended the Falklands successfully, and banned closed shops, and revitalised industry, and sold council houses. The people who bitch about Thatcher are those that want something for nothing and believe it is the duty of the State to solve their own problems. When Thatcher came to power I was a reluctant hourly paid union member living in a council house, when she left I was living in my own (very nice) house, drove a company car and had built up savings and a pension fund. I couldn't have done that under Labour because they don't want people to improve themselves. The only thing I disagreed with Thatchers policies is when she stopped day release for apprentices. That is why we still have a skill shortage to this day. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 21, 2023 18:00:59 GMT
You have to look at the UK pre Thatcher to understand how she gained power . She certainly changed the UK more than any other post war PM ( maybe Blair is comparable).
Thatcher was like the monkey’s paw . We thought we got what we wanted but it turned out that we didn’t .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2023 18:07:08 GMT
You have to look at the UK pre Thatcher to understand how she gained power . She certainly changed the UK more than any other post war PM ( maybe Blair is comparable). Thatcher was like the monkey’s paw . We thought we got what we wanted but it turned out that we didn’t . Blair changed very little, except for his own party. His main achievement was to destroy the opposition to thatcherism. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 21, 2023 18:13:32 GMT
I've always liked Sir John Major.
He had integrity. He was a pragmatist, didn't follow the party line blindly or pander to his backbenchers. He is staunchly pro European and when his ''bastards'' tried to stab him in the back he stood up to them and called for a leadership poll. He called their bluff.
Even after the disastrous end to the Thatcher regime he turned it around and won the next GE. Some of the credit for that goes to the weakness of Kinnock but to succeed from one of the most unpopular PMs of all time (as Thatcher was by the end) and win the next election was remarkable.
He genuinely loved sports as well, especially cricket. If you saw him at a sporting event you knew it was because he wanted to be there not just because he wanted to be seen.
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Post by Bentley on Jan 21, 2023 18:17:03 GMT
You have to look at the UK pre Thatcher to understand how she gained power . She certainly changed the UK more than any other post war PM ( maybe Blair is comparable). Thatcher was like the monkey’s paw . We thought we got what we wanted but it turned out that we didn’t . Blair changed very little, except for his own party. His main achievement was to destroy the opposition to thatcherism. By changing the Labour party he changed a lot , didn’t he? Blair disenfranchised the Labour Party from its grass roots . He also colluded with the US in its military adventurism. Iirc his government was responsible for the UK excepting unlimited EU immigration . His disenfranchised the Labour party from its original core. Working class people . |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 21, 2023 18:17:10 GMT
I've always liked Sir John Major. He had integrity. He was a pragmatist, didn't follow the party line blindly or pander to his backbenchers. He is staunchly pro European and when his ''bastards'' tried to stab him in the back he stood up to them and called for a leadership poll. He called their bluff. Even after the disastrous end to the Thatcher regime he turned it around and won the next GE. Some of the credit for that goes to the weakness of Kinnock but to succeed from one of the most unpopular PMs of all time (as Thatcher was by the end) and win the next election was remarkable. He genuinely loved sports as well, especially cricket. If you saw him at a sporting event you knew it was because he wanted to be there not just because he wanted to be seen. Blimey Monte, if there was a prize for most nonsense crammed into one post you'd have scooped it with that one! 
Edit: He probably did like cricket though. The boring twat.
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 21, 2023 18:17:38 GMT
And defended the Falklands successfully, and banned closed shops, and revitalised industry, and sold council houses. The people who bitch about Thatcher are those that want something for nothing and believe it is the duty of the State to solve their own problems. When Thatcher came to power I was a reluctant hourly paid union member living in a council house, when she left I was living in my own (very nice) house, drove a company car and had built up savings and a pension fund. I couldn't have done that under Labour because they don't want people to improve themselves. The only thing I disagreed with Thatchers policies is when she stopped day release for apprentices. That is why we still have a skill shortage to this day. The Poll tax was a complete disaster too. Even when her ministers advised against it and the people revolted at the battle of Trafalgar Square she stubbornly refused to back down. It cost her career and her reputation. If you dug her up tomorrow and brought her back to life she'd still claim it was a good idea. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 21, 2023 18:18:52 GMT
The only thing I disagreed with Thatchers policies is when she stopped day release for apprentices. That is why we still have a skill shortage to this day. The Poll tax was a complete disaster too. Even when her ministers advised against it and the people revolted at the battle of Trafalgar Square she stubbornly refused to back down. It cost her career and her reputation. If you dug her up tomorrow and brought her back to life she'd still claim it was a good idea. It probably was in principle. What she didn’t realise was that the great unwashed wouldn’t accept it. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 21, 2023 18:19:08 GMT
The only thing I disagreed with Thatchers policies is when she stopped day release for apprentices. That is why we still have a skill shortage to this day. The Poll tax was a complete disaster too. Even when her ministers advised against it and the people revolted at the battle of Trafalgar Square she stubbornly refused to back down. It cost her career and her reputation. If you dug her up tomorrow and brought her back to life she'd still claim it was a good idea. It was a great idea, just poorly implemented. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 21, 2023 18:19:44 GMT
Blimey Monte, if there was a prize for most nonsense crammed into one post you'd have scooped it with that one! That's the trouble with you single issue voters. He spoke out against Brexit and BoJo's law breaking so you don't see his qualities. You're blinkered. |
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