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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 15, 2022 8:56:13 GMT
Evidently 40,000 e-Minis are assembled each year in Cowley but that is going to cease next year. Production of current models will move to China while production of planned new models will be in China and Germany. Cowley will revert to producing petrol versions only. www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bmw-to-move-production-of-electric-minis-from-uk-to-china-7sgftsxz2I recall discussions elsewhere about the wisdom of allowing foreign corporations to acquire large swathes of Britain's industrial capability. This could an object lesson in the folly of pursuing such a strategy. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 15, 2022 9:15:47 GMT
Hardly surprising. The UK company I used to work for made the aluminium components for a number of manufacturers. It was bought by a Chinese playboy so he could have authentic parts in the fake range rovers and BMWs his company makes in china. Hilariously a lot of the imitation wood panel stuff in high end eu cars was somewhat dodging imported by that same company from his Chinese companies and repackaged and relabelled here. That all ended when the end user got fed up of the shit finish.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 26, 2022 14:46:45 GMT
Evidently 40,000 e-Minis are assembled each year in Cowley but that is going to cease next year. Production of current models will move to China while production of planned new models will be in China and Germany. Cowley will revert to producing petrol versions only. www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bmw-to-move-production-of-electric-minis-from-uk-to-china-7sgftsxz2I recall discussions elsewhere about the wisdom of allowing foreign corporations to acquire large swathes of Britain's industrial capability. This could an object lesson in the folly of pursuing such a strategy. Many BMW plants are moving out of Germany because of the cost of energy. And that was going on long before the energy crisis. They moved their Carbon Fibre production to the US as their energy is cheaper. Most of the Z models are either built in the US or Vietnam. And their conventional engine production is coming to the UK.
BMW moves engine production to Britain as German plants go electric.
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Post by Vinny on Oct 26, 2022 17:27:54 GMT
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 26, 2022 18:18:03 GMT
Yep. I remember Ford blaming Brexit when they moved production to Turkey which, last I checked, isn't in the EU either.
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Post by Toreador on Oct 26, 2022 18:25:23 GMT
Block the import of minis into the UK.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 27, 2022 6:13:53 GMT
Block the import of minis into the UK. Bock all eu produced cars from the UK. Japanese cars are far superior anyway and do not tell the drivers and authorities lies over their emissions. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 27, 2022 6:29:44 GMT
Not sure why this is in the EU section because it's not to do with the EU. This is just due to the cost of energy in the UK as we are forced to import expensive energy from other countries - rather than use our own. This doesn't help the climate in any way. Meanwhile China just builds a few more coal fired power stations.
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Post by colbops on Oct 27, 2022 17:01:12 GMT
Not sure why this is in the EU section Do you need to be? |
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 27, 2022 21:28:47 GMT
Yep. I remember Ford blaming Brexit when they moved production to Turkey which, last I checked, isn't in the EU either. Good one. I’d forgotten all about that |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 1, 2022 15:02:09 GMT
Evidently 40,000 e-Minis are assembled each year in Cowley but that is going to cease next year. Production of current models will move to China while production of planned new models will be in China and Germany. Cowley will revert to producing petrol versions only. www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bmw-to-move-production-of-electric-minis-from-uk-to-china-7sgftsxz2I recall discussions elsewhere about the wisdom of allowing foreign corporations to acquire large swathes of Britain's industrial capability. This could an object lesson in the folly of pursuing such a strategy. The law of capitalism states capital flows to those who make best use of it
ergo
the UK does not make the best use of capital.
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Post by colbops on Nov 1, 2022 23:29:06 GMT
The law of capitalism states capital flows to those who make best use of it No it doesn't ergo the UK does not make the best use of capital. Logical fallacy |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 2, 2022 11:35:13 GMT
Hardly surprising. The UK company I used to work for made the aluminium components for a number of manufacturers. It was bought by a Chinese playboy so he could have authentic parts in the fake range rovers and BMWs his company makes in china. Hilariously a lot of the imitation wood panel stuff in high end eu cars was somewhat dodging imported by that same company from his Chinese companies and repackaged and relabelled here. That all ended when the end user got fed up of the shit finish. Take a look at the Chinese car industry and you will spot an obvious difference when compared to Britain. We have Nissan, BMW and Tata Steel cars from Japan, Germany and India respectively.
This is the list given in Wiki as the major ones, the rest are racing cars and kit cars and irrelevant to the mass market.
Aston Martin (1913–present) Aston Martin
Bentley (1919–present) Bentley Motors
Jaguar (1935–present) Jaguar Land Rover
Land Rover (1948–present) Jaguar Land Rover
Lotus (1952–present) Lotus Cars
McLaren (1985–present) McLaren Automotive
Mini (1969-present) BMW
Rolls-Royce (1904-present) Rolls-Royce Motor Cars
Vauxhall (1903–present)[1] Vauxhall Motors
Here is the list for China:
State-owned manufacturers
Beijing Automotive Industry Holding Corporation (BAIC) (1988–present)
Arcfox
Beijing (Previously Senova)
Beijing Off-road
BAW (1958–present)
Foton (1996–present)
Changhe
Beijing Hyundai (Joint venture with Hyundai Motor Company)
Beijing Benz (Joint venture with Daimler AG)
BAIC Yinxiang (Joint venture with Yinxiang Group)
Brilliance Auto Group (1992–present)
Jinbei (1991–present)
Zhonghua (2002–present)
Brilliance BMW (Joint venture with BMW)
Zinoro (2013–present)
Chang'an Motors (1990–present)
Changan
Oshan
Kaicene
Avatr (2021–present)
Changan Ford (Joint venture with Ford Motor Company)
Changan Mazda (Joint venture with Mazda)
Chery Automobile (1997–present)
Karry
Exeed
Jetour
Dongfeng (1969–present)
Aeolus (Dongfeng Fengshen) (2009–present)
Venucia (2010–present)
Voyah
Skio
DFSK (Joint venture with Sokon Group)
Dongfeng Nissan (Joint venture with Nissan)
Dongfeng Honda (Joint venture with Honda)
Luxgen (Dongfeng Yulon) (Joint venture with Yulon)
First Automobile Works (1953–present)
Bestune
Senia
Haima Automobile (1992–present)
Hongqi (1958–present)
FAW Tianjin (Junpai) (1965–present)
FAW-Volkswagen (Joint venture with Volkswagen Group)
FAW-Toyota (Joint venture with Toyota)
Fujian Motors Group
Soueast (1995–present)
Yudo
Keyton
GAC Group (1955–present)
Aion (2018–present)
Trumpchi (2010–present)
Changfeng Motor (Leopaard) (1950–present)
Gonow
Guangqi Honda (1998–present) (Joint venture with Honda)
Everus (2008–present)
GAC Toyota (2004–present) (Joint venture with Toyota)
Leahead (2015–present)
JAC Motors (Anhui Jianghuai) (1964–present)
Refine
Sehol (Joint venture with Volkswagen Group)
Jiangling Motor Holding (2004–present)
Jiangling (JMC) (1993–present)
JMC Yusheng
JMC Ford (Joint venture with Ford Motor Company)
Landwind (2004–present)
JMCG (1947–present)
Jingma Motor (1958–present)
JMCGL (2013–present)
JMEV (2015–present) (Joint venture with Renault)
SAIC Motor (1955–present)
Maxus (2011–present)
MG Motor (2006–present)
Nanjing Automobile Corporation (NAC) (1947–present)
Yuejin (1995–present)
Roewe (2006–present)
IM Motors
SAIC-GM (Joint venture with General Motors)
SAIC-GM-Wuling (1958–present) (Joint venture with General Motors and Wuling Motors)
Baojun
SAIC Volkswagen (Joint venture with Volkswagen Group)
Independent manufacturers
Aiways (2017–present)
BYD (2003–present)
Denza (2010–present) (Joint venture with Daimler AG)
Foday (1988–present)
Geely (1998–present)
Farizon
Geometry
Lotus
Lynk & Co (2016–present)
Maple
Polestar
Radar
Volvo Cars (2010–present)
Zeekr
Zhidou
Jidu Auto (Joint venture with Baidu)
Great Wall Motors (1984–present)
Haval (2013–present)
TANK (2021–present)
ORA (2018–present)
WEY (2017–present)
SG Automotive (1984–present)
Huanghai
Hawtai (Huatai) (2000–present)
Heibao Auto (1990–present)
HiPhi (Human Horizons) (2017–present)
King Long (1988–present)
Leapmotor (2016–present)
Fujian New Forta (2001–present)[1][2]
Li Auto (2015–present)
Lifan (1992–present)
Nio (2014–present)
Neta (Hozon Auto) (2014–present)
Qoros (2013–present)
Shaanxi Automobile Group (1968–present)
Shandong Heibao (1990–present)
Sichuan Tengzhong (2005–present)
Sinomach
Zedriv (2017–present)
SiTech (2018–present)
Shuguang Group (1984–present)
Huanghai Bus (1951–present)
Skywell
Skyworth Auto
Nanjing Golden Dragon Bus
Soar Automotive (1991–present)
Sokon (1986–present)
Seres (2016–present)
Suda (2010–present)
Sunlong Bus (2001–present)
Tangjun Ou Ling
Tesla (2019– present)
Tianma (1995–present)
Techrules (2016–present)
Tengzhong (2005–present)
Wanshan Special Vehicle
Wanxiang (1969–present)
Weltmeister (2015–present)
Wuling Automobile (2007–present)
Wuzhoulong (2000–present)
Xinkai (1984–present)
XPeng (2014–present)
Yema Auto (1994–present)
Yutong Group (1963–present)
ZX Auto (1999–present)
Zhongyu (2004–present)
If we were to poke our noses into the issue of competition, which one do you suppose has a competitive market?
Why does China have so many Chinese firms when we have so few British-owned firms?
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 2, 2022 18:49:38 GMT
Hardly surprising. The UK company I used to work for made the aluminium components for a number of manufacturers. It was bought by a Chinese playboy so he could have authentic parts in the fake range rovers and BMWs his company makes in china. Hilariously a lot of the imitation wood panel stuff in high end eu cars was somewhat dodging imported by that same company from his Chinese companies and repackaged and relabelled here. That all ended when the end user got fed up of the shit finish. Take a look at the Chinese car industry and you will spot an obvious difference when compared to Britain. We have Nissan, BMW and Tata Steel cars from Japan, Germany and India respectively.
This is the list given in Wiki as the major ones, the rest are racing cars and kit cars and irrelevant to the mass market.
Aston Martin (1913–present) Aston Martin
Bentley (1919–present) Bentley Motors
Jaguar (1935–present) Jaguar Land Rover
Land Rover (1948–present) Jaguar Land Rover
Lotus (1952–present) Lotus Cars
McLaren (1985–present) McLaren Automotive
Mini (1969-present) BMW
Rolls-Royce (1904-present) Rolls-Royce Motor Cars
Vauxhall (1903–present)[1] Vauxhall Motors
Here is the list for China:
State-owned manufacturers
Beijing Automotive Industry Holding Corporation (BAIC) (1988–present)
Arcfox
Beijing (Previously Senova)
Beijing Off-road
BAW (1958–present)
Foton (1996–present)
Changhe
Beijing Hyundai (Joint venture with Hyundai Motor Company)
Beijing Benz (Joint venture with Daimler AG)
BAIC Yinxiang (Joint venture with Yinxiang Group)
Brilliance Auto Group (1992–present)
Jinbei (1991–present)
Zhonghua (2002–present)
Brilliance BMW (Joint venture with BMW)
Zinoro (2013–present)
Chang'an Motors (1990–present)
Changan
Oshan
Kaicene
Avatr (2021–present)
Changan Ford (Joint venture with Ford Motor Company)
Changan Mazda (Joint venture with Mazda)
Chery Automobile (1997–present)
Karry
Exeed
Jetour
Dongfeng (1969–present)
Aeolus (Dongfeng Fengshen) (2009–present)
Venucia (2010–present)
Voyah
Skio
DFSK (Joint venture with Sokon Group)
Dongfeng Nissan (Joint venture with Nissan)
Dongfeng Honda (Joint venture with Honda)
Luxgen (Dongfeng Yulon) (Joint venture with Yulon)
First Automobile Works (1953–present)
Bestune
Senia
Haima Automobile (1992–present)
Hongqi (1958–present)
FAW Tianjin (Junpai) (1965–present)
FAW-Volkswagen (Joint venture with Volkswagen Group)
FAW-Toyota (Joint venture with Toyota)
Fujian Motors Group
Soueast (1995–present)
Yudo
Keyton
GAC Group (1955–present)
Aion (2018–present)
Trumpchi (2010–present)
Changfeng Motor (Leopaard) (1950–present)
Gonow
Guangqi Honda (1998–present) (Joint venture with Honda)
Everus (2008–present)
GAC Toyota (2004–present) (Joint venture with Toyota)
Leahead (2015–present)
JAC Motors (Anhui Jianghuai) (1964–present)
Refine
Sehol (Joint venture with Volkswagen Group)
Jiangling Motor Holding (2004–present)
Jiangling (JMC) (1993–present)
JMC Yusheng
JMC Ford (Joint venture with Ford Motor Company)
Landwind (2004–present)
JMCG (1947–present)
Jingma Motor (1958–present)
JMCGL (2013–present)
JMEV (2015–present) (Joint venture with Renault)
SAIC Motor (1955–present)
Maxus (2011–present)
MG Motor (2006–present)
Nanjing Automobile Corporation (NAC) (1947–present)
Yuejin (1995–present)
Roewe (2006–present)
IM Motors
SAIC-GM (Joint venture with General Motors)
SAIC-GM-Wuling (1958–present) (Joint venture with General Motors and Wuling Motors)
Baojun
SAIC Volkswagen (Joint venture with Volkswagen Group)
Independent manufacturers
Aiways (2017–present)
BYD (2003–present)
Denza (2010–present) (Joint venture with Daimler AG)
Foday (1988–present)
Geely (1998–present)
Farizon
Geometry
Lotus
Lynk & Co (2016–present)
Maple
Polestar
Radar
Volvo Cars (2010–present)
Zeekr
Zhidou
Jidu Auto (Joint venture with Baidu)
Great Wall Motors (1984–present)
Haval (2013–present)
TANK (2021–present)
ORA (2018–present)
WEY (2017–present)
SG Automotive (1984–present)
Huanghai
Hawtai (Huatai) (2000–present)
Heibao Auto (1990–present)
HiPhi (Human Horizons) (2017–present)
King Long (1988–present)
Leapmotor (2016–present)
Fujian New Forta (2001–present)[1][2]
Li Auto (2015–present)
Lifan (1992–present)
Nio (2014–present)
Neta (Hozon Auto) (2014–present)
Qoros (2013–present)
Shaanxi Automobile Group (1968–present)
Shandong Heibao (1990–present)
Sichuan Tengzhong (2005–present)
Sinomach
Zedriv (2017–present)
SiTech (2018–present)
Shuguang Group (1984–present)
Huanghai Bus (1951–present)
Skywell
Skyworth Auto
Nanjing Golden Dragon Bus
Soar Automotive (1991–present)
Sokon (1986–present)
Seres (2016–present)
Suda (2010–present)
Sunlong Bus (2001–present)
Tangjun Ou Ling
Tesla (2019– present)
Tianma (1995–present)
Techrules (2016–present)
Tengzhong (2005–present)
Wanshan Special Vehicle
Wanxiang (1969–present)
Weltmeister (2015–present)
Wuling Automobile (2007–present)
Wuzhoulong (2000–present)
Xinkai (1984–present)
XPeng (2014–present)
Yema Auto (1994–present)
Yutong Group (1963–present)
ZX Auto (1999–present)
Zhongyu (2004–present)
If we were to poke our noses into the issue of competition, which one do you suppose has a competitive market?
Why does China have so many Chinese firms when we have so few British-owned firms?
I don’t need to “take a look at the Chinese car industry” I worked for it. I spent two years vainly trying to protect our networks from the raft of spyware placed on the phones of the various VIPs and government spies invited to use my place of employment as a base for their poking around. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 2, 2022 22:55:40 GMT
Take a look at the Chinese car industry and you will spot an obvious difference when compared to Britain. We have Nissan, BMW and Tata Steel cars from Japan, Germany and India respectively.
This is the list given in Wiki as the major ones, the rest are racing cars and kit cars and irrelevant to the mass market.
I don’t need to “take a look at the Chinese car industry” I worked for it. I spent two years vainly trying to protect our networks from the raft of spyware placed on the phones of the various VIPs and government spies invited to use my place of employment as a base for their poking around. That does not make a lot of sense. Why would the government be spying on a commercial company? Perhaps there is a reason you don't know about, e.g. fraud investigation. Anyway, it sounds like another dig for the hand that feeds you. You should be grateful for the work.
My point was nothing to do with that anyway. You realise more competition creates better products. That stupid "world leading " battery factory we have is consuming £100m of our taxes. We are told it would be good for our economy. Firms are supposed to make money though, not consume it.
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