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Post by research0it on Jan 10, 2023 11:11:08 GMT
Hi everyone. Would it be possible to have a proper debate here? I'm already thinking that this forum is not the place for it.
Anyway there was a report this morning about extra charges to consumers because wind farm owners are paid to switch them off when the grid is full to capacity.
First question. Who pays them? If it's the uk or Scottish government, how does it end in more expensive energy to the consumer, when they've already been compensated?
Next point. A spokesman for the generating company said that the production is in Scotland, but the demand in England. The problem is that the grid needs extra capacity to carry the load. So who has fallen down in the failure to provide grid capacity?
Finally another criticism is that, instead of paying to switch off, you could build storage capacity and store the surplus energy until needed. Who is failing to build the storage capacity?
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Post by jaydee on Jan 10, 2023 11:48:30 GMT
Hi everyone. Would it be possible to have a proper debate here? I'm already thinking that this forum is not the place for it. Anyway there was a report this morning about extra charges to consumers because wind farm owners are paid to switch them off when the grid is full to capacity. First question. Who pays them? If it's the uk or Scottish government, how does it end in more expensive energy to the consumer, when they've already been compensated? Next point. A spokesman for the generating company said that the production is in Scotland, but the demand in England. The problem is that the grid needs extra capacity to carry the load. So who has fallen down in the failure to provide grid capacity? Finally another criticism is that, instead of paying to switch off, you could build storage capacity and store the surplus energy until needed. Who is failing to build the storage capacity? Energy is retained. And it is the user of electricity who pays. This is why it is imperative that Scotland goes its merry way and adopt the the two tier system I have already explained. And no you will not get a decent debate. The simple answer to that question. The usual clowns will be along shortly. Ranting how England gives Scotland money. As I have pointed out. England is about to have a very serious energy problem. But what the hell. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 10, 2023 12:23:00 GMT
Fell at the first hurdle …..
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Post by research0it on Jan 10, 2023 13:47:06 GMT
Hi everyone
To guide you, I've asked 3 specific questions I don't know the answer. No blame thrown at anyone yet.
So could we start with the answers and move from there?
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Post by bancroft on Jan 10, 2023 15:02:31 GMT
You can build batteries to retain electrical energy yet they are expensive and lose charge over time, though every now and again a technology breakthrough is claimed with new elements, chemicals or products that show promise.
It might be that Scotland's wind farms are performing better than expected yet I would ask before building better infrastructure how much it costs to increase bandwidth to get it to the consumer. A cost / benefit analysis.
Now in this analysis it would need to take into account how many days this technology does not generate electricity.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 10, 2023 16:18:19 GMT
Anyway there was a report this morning about extra charges to consumers because wind farm owners are paid to switch them off when the grid is full to capacity. First question. Who pays them? In the end the consumer pays Why does it need extra capacity? - the existing infrastructure is meeting demand Cheaper to pay to switch off as the technology for large scale energy storage is not cost effective yet. |
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Post by happyjack on Jan 11, 2023 3:17:06 GMT
Hi everyone. Would it be possible to have a proper debate here? I'm already thinking that this forum is not the place for it. Anyway there was a report this morning about extra charges to consumers because wind farm owners are paid to switch them off when the grid is full to capacity. First question. Who pays them? If it's the uk or Scottish government, how does it end in more expensive energy to the consumer, when they've already been compensated? Apparently they are not paid by either government. There was an earlier report on this matter in The Herald from 2/10/22 which explained that “the payments are made by the National Grid ESO but charged to consumers and added to energy bills”.Next point. A spokesman for the generating company said that the production is in Scotland, but the demand in England. The problem is that the grid needs extra capacity to carry the load. So who has fallen down in the failure to provide grid capacity? I have a very limited understanding of how grid system works, and no knowledge of the timing of the grid installation compared with the erection of the various wind farms across Scotland - but I assume that the grid installation generally came first. If so, the capacity of the grid system would have been known before some or all of the wind farms were constructed. If that is correct then I am not sure that you are asking the right question(s). Shouldn’t you be asking who gave the go ahead for this excess generation capacity and why did they allow so much energy to be produced in Scotland rather than closer to where the bulk of consumers are concentrated? Finally another criticism is that, instead of paying to switch off, you could build storage capacity and store the surplus energy until needed. Who is failing to build the storage capacity? Everybody is failing to build the storage capacity by the sounds of it, perhaps for sound reasons. |
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