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Post by research0it on Jan 10, 2023 21:27:19 GMT
Hi Bentley Depends how you take it. Scottish Independence is not an automatic insult to England or anyone. The SNP are an independence seeking party, so what do you expect them to do? I do think that the SNP should never have taken power in Edinburgh, however. They should have been cooperative with the other parties and worked with them. They should have declared that even if they win the most seats, they would not form a government. That way the issue of Scottish Independence would not get mixed up with things like ferries and whose mess is the nhs. I never claimed that Scottish independence is an insult to anyone . I don’t expect anything from the SNP than what it is. The rabid Scot indies want to portray England as broke and corrupt with Scotland being an oppressed land of milk and honey . Did they make that up themselves or have they been groomed by SNP propaganda? My view is that if Scotland remaining in the union is advantageous to the rest of the union then they should stay . If it is not then they should go . Hi Bentley I'd be surprised if evidence could be produced about the SNP declaring England bankrupt and / or that scotland is an oppressed part of the UK. Some individuals may, but I'm tolerably certain the SNP don't. Are you sure your not reading others interpretation of what they say? As it happens, I'm starting to wonder if staying in the uk is preventing scotland developing as it could, but that's different from claiming to be oppressed. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 10, 2023 21:33:04 GMT
I never claimed that Scottish independence is an insult to anyone . I don’t expect anything from the SNP than what it is. The rabid Scot indies want to portray England as broke and corrupt with Scotland being an oppressed land of milk and honey . Did they make that up themselves or have they been groomed by SNP propaganda? My view is that if Scotland remaining in the union is advantageous to the rest of the union then they should stay . If it is not then they should go . Hi Bentley I'd be surprised if evidence could be produced about the SNP declaring England bankrupt and / or that scotland is an oppressed part of the UK. Some individuals may, but I'm tolerably certain the SNP don't. Are you sure your not reading others interpretation of what they say? As it happens, I'm starting to wonder if staying in the uk is preventing scotland developing as it could, but that's different from claiming to be oppressed. Well I’m just referring to the nut case on this forum . I really don’t know where he gets this shit from . He isn’t refuted by the other ultra Scot nationalist so I assume that there is a source from other Scot Nats. |
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Post by research0it on Jan 11, 2023 1:41:03 GMT
Hi Bentley I'd be surprised if evidence could be produced about the SNP declaring England bankrupt and / or that scotland is an oppressed part of the UK. Some individuals may, but I'm tolerably certain the SNP don't. Are you sure your not reading others interpretation of what they say? As it happens, I'm starting to wonder if staying in the uk is preventing scotland developing as it could, but that's different from claiming to be oppressed. Well I’m just referring to the nut case on this forum . I really don’t know where he gets this shit from . He isn’t refuted by the other ultra Scot nationalist so I assume that there is a source from other Scot Nats. Hi Bentley I've never heard anyone else claim England is bankrupt. I have heard a few claim that scotland is oppressed in the union. Even here it depends on what is meant by oppressed. The SNP grew from polling around 12 to 16 percent in the 70's to their present levels on the basis of scotland voting labour and getting conservative governments. That was the main reason for their growth, I'd say. Does that add up to a sense of oppression? In terms of the poster on here that claims England is bankrupt, is he not just responding to what he sees as insults from the other side? And fires insults back? Off the top of my head, there is one poster who can hardly make a post without laying down the law about what scotland is and isn't allowed to do, another who can't make a post without including every single failure and fault of the SNP - including the ridiculous assertion that they're marxists - and another who can do very few posts without insulting nicola sturgeon - calling her wee kranky, even in post titles. It's not my style to fire insults back but some people could respond that way. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 11, 2023 10:17:05 GMT
Well I’m just referring to the nut case on this forum . I really don’t know where he gets this shit from . He isn’t refuted by the other ultra Scot nationalist so I assume that there is a source from other Scot Nats. Hi Bentley I've never heard anyone else claim England is bankrupt. I have heard a few claim that scotland is oppressed in the union. Even here it depends on what is meant by oppressed. The SNP grew from polling around 12 to 16 percent in the 70's to their present levels on the basis of scotland voting labour and getting conservative governments. That was the main reason for their growth, I'd say. Does that add up to a sense of oppression? In terms of the poster on here that claims England is bankrupt, is he not just responding to what he sees as insults from the other side? And fires insults back? Off the top of my head, there is one poster who can hardly make a post without laying down the law about what scotland is and isn't allowed to do, another who can't make a post without including every single failure and fault of the SNP - including the ridiculous assertion that they're marxists - and another who can do very few posts without insulting nicola sturgeon - calling her wee kranky, even in post titles. It's not my style to fire insults back but some people could respond that way. None of the resident SNP flag wavers need encouragement to portray England as hopelessly in debt and a free Scotland as a land of milk and honey. You can make excuses for them. If you want . The reality is that the rest of the UK will be fine without Scotland . How Scotland fares after independence is not my problem . However , there needs to be a referendum first and if the referendum results in Scotland staying in the union then they should stay in indefinitely. |
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Post by research0it on Jan 11, 2023 11:27:50 GMT
Hi Bentley I've never heard anyone else claim England is bankrupt. I have heard a few claim that scotland is oppressed in the union. Even here it depends on what is meant by oppressed. The SNP grew from polling around 12 to 16 percent in the 70's to their present levels on the basis of scotland voting labour and getting conservative governments. That was the main reason for their growth, I'd say. Does that add up to a sense of oppression? In terms of the poster on here that claims England is bankrupt, is he not just responding to what he sees as insults from the other side? And fires insults back? Off the top of my head, there is one poster who can hardly make a post without laying down the law about what scotland is and isn't allowed to do, another who can't make a post without including every single failure and fault of the SNP - including the ridiculous assertion that they're marxists - and another who can do very few posts without insulting nicola sturgeon - calling her wee kranky, even in post titles. It's not my style to fire insults back but some people could respond that way. None of the resident SNP flag wavers need encouragement to portray England as hopelessly in debt and a free Scotland as a land of milk and honey. You can make excuses for them. If you want . The reality is that the rest of the UK will be fine without Scotland . How Scotland fares after independence is not my problem . However , there needs to be a referendum first and if the referendum results in Scotland staying in the union then they should stay in indefinitely. Hi Bentley Maybe you've seen more posts than me but I can only recall one poster who claims England is bankrupt. I'm not making excuses for that poster as I would not go down that road and don't think he should either. All I can say is that the insults are definitely not all one way. I agree, however, that there should be a defined set of circumstances where scotland leaves the union. I wouldn't agree with your idea of those circumstances, but that would be subject to negotiations. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 11, 2023 11:45:13 GMT
None of the resident SNP flag wavers need encouragement to portray England as hopelessly in debt and a free Scotland as a land of milk and honey. You can make excuses for them. If you want . The reality is that the rest of the UK will be fine without Scotland . How Scotland fares after independence is not my problem . However , there needs to be a referendum first and if the referendum results in Scotland staying in the union then they should stay in indefinitely. Hi Bentley Maybe you've seen more posts than me but I can only recall one poster who claims England is bankrupt. I'm not making excuses for that poster as I would not go down that road and don't think he should either. All I can say is that the insults are definitely not all one way. I agree, however, that there should be a defined set of circumstances where scotland leaves the union. I wouldn't agree with your idea of those circumstances, but that would be subject to negotiations. What we don’t need is a series of indyrefs that the leavers lose by a small margin . We should do what the EU did for the UK . Take your vote and if you leave the negotiations start from there . |
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Post by om15 on Jan 11, 2023 11:50:32 GMT
Come off it, the slightest comment about the probity or competence of the SNP unleashes a tsunami of insults, abuse, personal degradation and hysterical put downs, on the other hand apart from a little mild piss taking he gets a free ride. Unfortunately for your cause it is seen by those who spare the time to even think about Scotland and its descent into a Marxist wasteland that your vocal spokesman does in fact represent the great unwashed within the SNP, abusive, unreasonable and devoid of any intellectual reasoning at all.
The English posters on here display huge tolerance for the rabid and seething deranged SNP spokesperson, to claim otherwise mirrors his own lack of reason.
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Post by research0it on Jan 11, 2023 13:20:24 GMT
Come off it, the slightest comment about the probity or competence of the SNP unleashes a tsunami of insults, abuse, personal degradation and hysterical put downs, on the other hand apart from a little mild piss taking he gets a free ride. Unfortunately for your cause it is seen by those who spare the time to even think about Scotland and its descent into a Marxist wasteland that your vocal spokesman does in fact represent the great unwashed within the SNP, abusive, unreasonable and devoid of any intellectual reasoning at all. The English posters on here display huge tolerance for the rabid and seething deranged SNP spokesperson, to claim otherwise mirrors his own lack of reason. Hi Om15 You have to accept that is a very subjective viewpoint. ..and there you go with the Marxist stuff again. Personally I see that as ridiculous and not insulting but others may not. I once did a post graduate course on management, and one of the things taught about bullying, is that it doesn't matter if the bully does not think they bullied someone, if that someone feels bullied, then that's how they feel and you - if you are a good manager - have to treat them as being bullied. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 11, 2023 13:22:23 GMT
Come off it, the slightest comment about the probity or competence of the SNP unleashes a tsunami of insults, abuse, personal degradation and hysterical put downs, on the other hand apart from a little mild piss taking he gets a free ride. Unfortunately for your cause it is seen by those who spare the time to even think about Scotland and its descent into a Marxist wasteland that your vocal spokesman does in fact represent the great unwashed within the SNP, abusive, unreasonable and devoid of any intellectual reasoning at all. The English posters on here display huge tolerance for the rabid and seething deranged SNP spokesperson, to claim otherwise mirrors his own lack of reason. Hi Om15 You have to accept that is a very subjective viewpoint. ..and there you go with the Marxist stuff again. Personally I see that as ridiculous and not insulting but others may not. I once did a post graduate course on management, and one of the things taught about bullying, is that it doesn't matter if the bully does not think they bullied someone, if that someone feels bullied, then that's how they feel and you - if you are a good manager - have to treat them as being bullied. If the bully feels bullied then who is bullying them? |
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Post by research0it on Jan 11, 2023 13:31:24 GMT
Hi Om15 You have to accept that is a very subjective viewpoint. ..and there you go with the Marxist stuff again. Personally I see that as ridiculous and not insulting but others may not. I once did a post graduate course on management, and one of the things taught about bullying, is that it doesn't matter if the bully does not think they bullied someone, if that someone feels bullied, then that's how they feel and you - if you are a good manager - have to treat them as being bullied. If the bully feels bullied then who is bullying them? Hi Bentley You really need to read my post again |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 11, 2023 14:01:13 GMT
If the bully feels bullied then who is bullying them? Hi Bentley You really need to read my post again Nope. If the bully claims that they are being bullied and are bullying in response to being bullied then my point is valid . Bullies do that . |
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Post by jaydee on Jan 11, 2023 14:06:00 GMT
Hi Bentley I'd be surprised if evidence could be produced about the SNP declaring England bankrupt and / or that scotland is an oppressed part of the UK. Some individuals may, but I'm tolerably certain the SNP don't. Are you sure your not reading others interpretation of what they say? As it happens, I'm starting to wonder if staying in the uk is preventing scotland developing as it could, but that's different from claiming to be oppressed. Well I’m just referring to the nut case on this forum . I really don’t know where he gets this shit from . He isn’t refuted by the other ultra Scot nationalist so I assume that there is a source from other Scot Nats. Not the same place you get yours from. All you have to do is correct it. Which you seem ot have some problem with. Your nation is bankrupt matey. And the figures that are not mine say so. How many times do you need them. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 11, 2023 14:07:50 GMT
Well I’m just referring to the nut case on this forum . I really don’t know where he gets this shit from . He isn’t refuted by the other ultra Scot nationalist so I assume that there is a source from other Scot Nats. Not the same place you get yours from. All you have to do is correct it. Which you seem ot have some problem with. Your nation is bankrupt matey. And the figures that are not mine say so. How many times do you need them. This nut case ^ |
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Post by jaydee on Jan 11, 2023 14:10:52 GMT
Well I’m just referring to the nut case on this forum . I really don’t know where he gets this shit from . He isn’t refuted by the other ultra Scot nationalist so I assume that there is a source from other Scot Nats. Not the same place you get yours from. All you have to do is correct it. Which you seem ot have some problem with. Your nation is bankrupt matey. And the figures that are not mine say so. How many times do you need them. Point out who is a bully. Then read the drivel from your own countrymen. You are deluded and thinking you live in some sort of sooper dooper rich nation. Where the tooth fairy and unicorns breed. Yeh right mate with 25% of its kids in poverty. With the worst performing economy in the G7. The worst pension in the develop0ed world. And in terms of being rich. On a level of third world basket case economies. And you are in total denial. Why are you actually on here |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 11, 2023 14:24:16 GMT
Not the same place you get yours from. All you have to do is correct it. Which you seem ot have some problem with. Your nation is bankrupt matey. And the figures that are not mine say so. How many times do you need them. Point out who is a bully. Then read the drivel from your own countrymen. You are deluded and thinking you live in some sort of sooper dooper rich nation. Where the tooth fairy and unicorns breed. Yeh right mate with 25% of its kids in poverty. With the worst performing economy in the G7. The worst pension in the develop0ed world. And in terms of being rich. On a level of third world basket case economies. And you are in total denial. Why are you actually on here This nut case 2^ |
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