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Post by dodgydave on Mar 28, 2024 1:08:04 GMT
I was listening to a physicist the other day and he was was very confident that humans would never be able to travel to another solar system and potentially run into alien civilizations.
1) The chances of two alien civilizations existing at (a) the same time and (b) close enough are impossibly low. 2) We have found no life on the other planets in our Solar system, so we can assume that "life" is very rare. eg If life happens easily then why is there none on Mars when the conditions are so similar? 3) Navigating to another planet would be impossible. The universe is expanding faster and faster, meaning that everything is moving further and further apart, then add to that the shear chaos of all the galaxies, stars, planets interacting with each other... it would be impossible to calculate a course, even if we received a signal telling us where the aliens where... there would just be too many variables.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Mar 28, 2024 16:10:09 GMT
Sorry, Dodgy … your ignorant physicist was wrong on ALL 3 points … where do you dig out these ignorant people??
You’re not quoting that ex-Boy Band Space evangelist Prof Brian Cox … are you??
Please drop a Link to these ‘embarrassments’ …. that have stuck their collective heads in the sand all their lives … and ignored witness reports and video, photographic and radar evidence. … and come up with pure speculation … spouting exactly the sort of cover-up flannel the Religious Lobby and Deep State have been peddling since year zero … when they took control of our Military Complex. Have they never considered technology that can navigate wormhole travel? … Or live on ‘shadow’ space stations in our own backyard?
…. meanwhile … back to REAL evidence from REAL people, REAL reports and REAL admissions from the American authorities … that the Cosford Triangle wasn’t one of their highly advanced Black Ops craft … that manoeuvred at very low speeds searching for something, making a deep bass electrical humming noise … before shooting off at speeds no human pilot could physiologically tolerate.
Too advanced for them …. back in 1993.
Isn’t it a pity we don’t have a BBC/UK MSM with the intellectual capacity and inclination to highlight this important sighting … and compile a similar serious study on this security incursion of UK airspace? … It has to be the Australian Media that has to educate us to the serious nature of what is technologically happening here.
Time to sack the ignorant religious/deep state controlled BBC Management … and replace them with competent National broadcasters with open minds and integrity.
Maybe these physicist’s also need to catch up? … start studying the history of Contact … then we can see what asinine statements they can come up with … that make SENSE??.
WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THESE SO-CALLED Physics Experts who hog the MSM, are technologically primitive, have only been doing space travel for barely 60 years … yet continue to spout DRIVEL about what highly advanced true non-primitive Civilisations can achieve.
An extra-terrestrial surely considers this class of arrogant scientist to be intellectually at the level of a lab rat in a laboratory maze telling the laboratory assistant what his capabilities are. 😖😫 … how embarrassing.
… no wonder extra-terrestrials, who have been announcing their presence to humans for a good 5,000+ years, … don’t make contact with close-minded poor researchers like this. 🙄
Like Vinny and Co. … you can’t ever get through to people with an Agenda to ignore this REALITY.
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Post by Vinny on Mar 28, 2024 23:06:16 GMT
Drivel.
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Post by Orac on Mar 29, 2024 1:46:04 GMT
The experts seem to be catching up with me a bit on this. I had better come up with some new ideas
He explains the game theory rationale for the 'dark forest' resolution to the fermi paradox - civilisations that survive are quiet because they are intelligent enough to work out the possibilities.
Unfortunately, his notions get very flaky / soppy towards the end when he starts appealing to the idea that other civilisations might have solved everything..silly boy.
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Post by dodgydave on Mar 29, 2024 3:02:35 GMT
Sorry, Dodgy … your ignorant physicist was wrong on ALL 3 points … where do you dig out these ignorant people?? You’re not quoting that ex-Boy Band Space evangelist Prof Brian Cox … are you?? Please drop a Link to these ‘embarrassments’ …. that have stuck their collective heads in the sand all their lives … and ignored witness reports and video, photographic and radar evidence. … and come up with pure speculation … spouting exactly the sort of cover-up flannel the Religious Lobby and Deep State have been peddling since year zero … when they took control of our Military Complex. Have they never considered technology that can navigate wormhole travel? … Or live on ‘shadow’ space stations in our own backyard? This is a forum for DEBATE. If you are not open to debate why are you even here? If you think you are 100% right about any topic, and are not open to being wrong, you are not in possession of "secret knowledge", you are just a thick as shit moron. You keep labelling people "so called scientists", yet you won't answer a very simple question: Is there one person on the planet you trust enough to tell you that you are wrong, and aliens have never visited earth?
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Post by Dubdrifter on Mar 30, 2024 9:44:26 GMT
Sorry, Dodgy … your ignorant physicist was wrong on ALL 3 points … where do you dig out these ignorant people?? You’re not quoting that ex-Boy Band Space evangelist Prof Brian Cox … are you?? Please drop a Link to these ‘embarrassments’ …. that have stuck their collective heads in the sand all their lives … and ignored witness reports and video, photographic and radar evidence. … and come up with pure speculation … spouting exactly the sort of cover-up flannel the Religious Lobby and Deep State have been peddling since year zero … when they took control of our Military Complex. Have they never considered technology that can navigate wormhole travel? … Or live on ‘shadow’ space stations in our own backyard? This is a forum for DEBATE. If you are not open to debate why are you even here? If you think you are 100% right about any topic, and are not open to being wrong, you are not in possession of "secret knowledge", you are just a thick as shit moron. You keep labelling people "so called scientists", yet you won't answer a very simple question: Is there one person on the planet you trust enough to tell you that you are wrong, and aliens have never visited earth?Sorry, Dodgy … I thought I was debating … and was showing I was more open-minded than many so-called expert scientists here … who clearly haven’t studied the MOD and Pentagon Deep State files on E.T … and seem to happily ignore 5,000 + years of ‘religious superstition’ worshipping ‘space gods’ that they have arrogantly announced have no basis in REALITY.🙄 … maybe they were extra-terrestrials with extra-ordinary technology? Pardon I dismiss these scientists and think them a tad stupid … or slow on the uptake. I’ve read so many accounts of respected witnesses having all types of contacts with a multitude of different entities … from angelic types to beasts similar to stone carvings in churches. If your expert ‘physicist’ … who you fail to name … and provide no Links to his data and claims … wants to arrogantly dismiss all evidence of Contact … as the guy in Orac’s video does within a minute of this lecture above … in a sweeping assured dismissive arrogant way … it irks me immensely tbh … …. I don’t see them as ‘scientists’ … because TRUE scientists would make a detailed look at as much evidence in a particular field as possible BEFORE making sweeping statements. The trouble with UFOLOGY study is cover-up and misinformation … It has plagued those investigating this interesting topic. It’s all down to power, knowledge and control … and Americans/Israelis are the current bullies on that Religious/Deep State block … If they don’t want mainstream science getting MAJOR funding for SETI research in our own back yard … Mainstream Science … will remain in the dark and ignorant for another 2,000 years. Meanwhile Black Ops Projects … within Black Ops Projects … have made incredible advances in reverse engineering alien technology … which the Americans naturally want to pass off as their own … Patents Pending. If you deny the existence of the Inventors of super hi-tech … plagiarism becomes so much easier. These ‘scientists’ you and Orac plug … are arguably just naive duped kindergarten researchers … who are tools of Religion … getting paid to support the economic model that drives Religion. ******** FOOTNOTE: …. I hope this POV generates a better ‘debate’ than Vinny’s “drivel” response. … I hope you are not hinting my posts need to be longer! … to qualify as ‘debate worthy’? … Really odd to be accused of not wanting a DEBATE. When someone steps up making ‘assured’ (some would say) ‘arrogant statements’ … doesn’t it inspire you to step up to the plate … and intellectually knock them for six with a a really solid piece of counter evidence?? … Scientists have had a free ride for over 100 years … I’m getting a free ride here to some extent … I’ve posted a couple of things I expected more analysis on … but it’s up to you to make ‘your case’ … I’m not going to help you undermine something that has been fundamentally true all along. … which Power-brokers … and certain v.powerful alien groups also wanted to keep secret. … As some of these ET’s have incredible inter-dimensional abilities … hiding the best evidence that hasn’t been professionally secured from ‘cover-up artistes’ … has been a major problem that has plagued UFO researchers for almost 100 years. …. When you are up against all these malevolent factions … that often employ even murder in their arsenal of ‘obstructions’ to achieve COMPLETE SECRECY … one can appreciate how dangerous this type of Disclosure research can be. The suspicious deaths of many key researchers … scientists and academics … is another reason the scientific community won’t speak out on what they know. Note how many scientists here engaged in top secret defence projects with trans-Atlantic links … fatally discovered … like those in an ultra-secret Mafia … they could try and ‘check-out’ … but could never leave alive … ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/thread/5637/suspicious-deaths-defence-contract-scientistsAll deaths dressed up as ‘suicide’ ‘fatal sex games’ ‘hit and run’ or ‘tragic accident’ … how very ‘deep state’ in character. I wonder if some of these victims were about to blow the ‘Disclosure whistle’ on ET tech liaisons?? … it certainly seems possible … as BAe in Bristol had links to private owned Harriers photographed escorting an anti-gravity triangle over Scotland. (Case referenced and pic dropped earlier in this … or the other ‘alien’ thread)
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Post by Vinny on Mar 30, 2024 10:26:19 GMT
Again, no evidence of ETs visiting our planet, or the means by which to rapidly cross the vast distances of space.
Scientific evidence for a method to cross space at faster than light speeds please.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Mar 31, 2024 21:25:28 GMT
Stop talking rubbish … the evidence is all over this thread.
…. They don’t need to travel light years across the Universe … when they are living in our own back yard … fifth-rate scientific dumb asses??
With fish in the sea and lakes … and cattle to pick and choose and mutilate … we are an important Inter-Galactic truckstop … for most humanoid species in the Universe … admittedly a pretty dangerous one …
As testified by a U.S. retired airforce Major in military intelligence.
…. Your Deep State Cover-up Programme is no longer working, Vinny … scuttle away and lick your wounds … you are an ‘epic fail’ here as a CIA Disinformation Agent. 😂👏
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Post by Vinny on Mar 31, 2024 22:41:11 GMT
Wrong.
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Post by dodgydave on Apr 1, 2024 16:36:01 GMT
Sorry, Dodgy … I thought I was debating … and was showing I was more open-minded than many so-called expert scientists here … who clearly haven’t studied the MOD and Pentagon Deep State files on E.T … and seem to happily ignore 5,000 + years of ‘religious superstition’ worshipping ‘space gods’ that they have arrogantly announced have no basis in REALITY.🙄 No, you are not debating, you are talking and not listening. A debate is when you argue a point so that you might change the opinion of somebody else. You are not doing that. If somebody disagrees with you then resort to the classic conspiracy nut tactics of (a) questioning their intelligence (b) trying to discredit actual scientists (c) overconfidence of your intellect. I have asked you four times now, if they is anybody on the planet who you trust enough to argue a case that would change your mind... and you refuse to answer. If you are not open to changing your mind then you are a conspiracy nut just looking for validation. You have no right to make other people believe anything, you can provide information and then they make their own mind up, and then you should respect the conclusions they come to... whether you agree with them or not... not call them blind / sheep or some other nonsense. It is you sir that are closed-minded, because you are not open to changing your mind!
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Post by Dubdrifter on Apr 5, 2024 10:33:46 GMT
Ignoring all the evidence dropped on these 42 pages … claiming it is rubbish, fake and respected people are lying …
…. is that what you consider ‘debate’ and good analysis?? … Take a hike, bud!
When you post something that equally convinces viewers highly advanced technology and strange aliens are NOT visiting this Planet … get in touch.
Meanwhile, … do stop trying to flannel the Public that Americans and Russians are behind 5,000 years of incredible observations … and super advanced technology.
Yawn!
Most advances the Deep State Black Ops U.S. Military has made in anti-gravity technology is LARGELY stolen technology from extra-terrestrials … and reverse engineered ideas from crashed craft.
…. Most fading/aspiring Empires resort to stealing/plagiarising other’s ideas ~ murdering, lying … in their desperation to control the Planet ~ in bed with Israeli genocidal experts pushing World Domination.
In the Patent Office of the Inter-Galactic Federation … I’m sure the E.T. Council Ruling will decide the Americans need to pay the ultimate price for their ‘plagiarism’. 🤔
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More evidence of Cover Up … nasty murders and @18min … British Establishment admission some of these aliens are only 3 feet tall and their craft not of Earthly origin. … another senior Official … refusing to stand up and go ‘on the record’ … A senior Minister claims The Public can’t rationalise E.T. being out there … and in our airspace, under our oceans … and underground too, from reports.
Not a great lecture … but it has snippets of interesting cases.
Note: we’ve already touched on the suspicious tragic deaths of v.respected academics ~ Harvard Prof. John E. Mack and top climate scientist McDonald on this thread. Trawl back for more detail on this.
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Post by Vinny on Apr 5, 2024 11:44:55 GMT
You haven't posted any evidence only urban myths and nonsense. If you want to talk about evidence, of the feasibility of faster than light travel, have a look at Miguel Alcubierre's thesis of warp drive, the mathematical formula for it, and the mass / energy requirements of it which so far have prevented realisation of the idea. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive#Mass%E2%80%93energy_requirementFurther work by NASA's Harold White suggests that energy requirements can be cut, by creating a torus shaped warp bubble and they're building an experimental unmanned warp drive to test whether the theory works. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_G._White
If working Alcubierre drives could be made, all kinds of things become possible. But it still doesn't mean there are extra terrestrials flying across space just to leave crop circles.
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Post by dodgydave on Apr 5, 2024 12:50:14 GMT
Ignoring all the evidence dropped on these 42 pages … claiming it is rubbish, fake and respected people are lying … …. is that what you consider ‘debate’ and good analysis?? … Take a hike, bud! When you post something that equally convinces viewers highly advanced technology and strange aliens are NOT visiting this Planet … get in touch. Meanwhile, … do stop trying to flannel the Public that Americans and Russians are behind 5,000 years of incredible observations … and super advanced technology. I'm not ignoring anything. I read / watch... then decide if I believe it. You on the other hand are cherry picking, which doesn't prove your point, it just proves your stupidity.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Apr 5, 2024 15:41:32 GMT
[I'm not ignoring anything.I read / watch... then decide if I believe it. You on the other hand are cherry picking, which doesn't prove your point, it just proves your stupidity. Intelligent people ‘cherry pick’ … there is a lot of garbage and distraction in this field of research … and a lot of danger, deceit and murder for those who dig out the best evidence. Over 9,000 views show my choice of content is interesting to some who are discerning about quality and veracity … and want a neutral perspective … also insight into what aliens might be thinking, what their Agenda might be, and how much influence and intervention we might expect … if the neo-cons decide to push for nuclear war … and threaten to destroy THEIR planet. … and poison all the food in their Inter-galactic truck stop. I can’t see them letting the rogue State Americans and rogue State EU and Israelis get away with this … they must realise how much the Public has been marginalised and duped … and how difficult it is for us to PEACEFULLY take back control … and restore SANITY.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Apr 5, 2024 16:08:36 GMT
You haven't posted any evidence only urban myths and nonsense. If you want to talk about evidence, of the feasibility of faster than light travel, have a look at Miguel Alcubierre's thesis of warp drive, the mathematical formula for it, and the mass / energy requirements of it which so far have prevented realisation of the idea. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive#Mass%E2%80%93energy_requirementFurther work by NASA's Harold White suggests that energy requirements can be cut, by creating a torus shaped warp bubble and they're building an experimental unmanned warp drive to test whether the theory works. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_G._WhiteIf working Alcubierre drives could be made, all kinds of things become possible. But it still doesn't mean there are extra terrestrials flying across space just to leave crop circles. If you want to dismiss 5,000 years worth of evidence just because you think the Universe and it’s technology revolves around the work of primitive human science … and what NASA does … … go worship at that altar. Witnesses describe far more advanced technology … that actually works … and transports strange beings here … and hides them easily from ignoramuses who think Nasa toy models are at the forefront of our World. They are not … get over yourselves and your colossal egos! NASA has only learnt to fly in space for barely 60 years … yet now think they are the “best of the best” the Universe has to offer …. ?? … delusional … and embarrassing!
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