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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 31, 2022 12:01:27 GMT
Interesting that Anneliese Dodds was being touted as a potential Chancellor by Labour considering she has no economic qualification or training or has ever had a job outside of politics. With politicians of that calibre its not surprising that the country is in the shit.. I would have thought she was eminently qualified, for a Labour chancellor. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Dec 31, 2022 12:08:09 GMT
There is not a lot going on anywhere at the moment. Most workers are off for the New Year holiday and those that are not are striking - the country is at a bit of a standstill. Worry more if you ignore a 50/1 shot horse this afternoon.....Lady Pacifico; not your wife's is it? I won £100 on Monty's Pass in the 2003 Grand National. |
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Post by thomas on Dec 31, 2022 13:28:12 GMT
There does not seem a lot going on in UK politics and we appear to live in increasingly quiet times borkie you have been saying that since the day i first encountered you online many years ago.
Plenty going on in politics.
We are currently living in increasingly turbulent times , whilst the political elite run around like headless chickens.
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Post by thomas on Dec 31, 2022 13:31:19 GMT
There does not seem a lot going on in UK politics and we appear to live in increasingly quiet times Oh I dunno, you can always rely on Labour to come up with something barmy. For instance, a couple of days ago shadow women and equalities secretary Anneliese Dodds, said this country is "structurally racist" because black households will bear the brunt of the cost-of-living crisis and are five times more likely [Than white households presumably] to struggle with their energy bills. Just another example of Labour weaponising the cost-of-living crisis in favour of minorities while never missing an opportunity to demonise the nasty privileged white majority. Btw, have you noticed the politically correct buzzword favoured by Labour used to be "endemically racist", but in recent months its changed. These days they say "structurally racist". Not that it matters, as long as the white majority are racists of some sort that's all that really matters, for Labour. I read that about anneliese dodds weaponising energy bills into somehow being about structural racism.
incredbile. You can see why starmer trys his best to keep the majority of his mps away from the media. Every time one of them open their mouths another voter walks away in disgust at the complete guff these people come out with .
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Post by thomas on Dec 31, 2022 13:33:32 GMT
Interesting that Anneliese Dodds was being touted as a potential Chancellor by Labour considering she has no economic qualification or training or has ever had a job outside of politics. With politicians of that calibre its not surprising that the country is in the shit.. I would have thought she was eminently qualified, for a Labour chancellor.
lol. The funniest thing about your comment is you are spot on. Most sane people wouldnt let annie have control of the kids piggy bank never mind anything else.
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Post by jaydee on Dec 31, 2022 16:39:37 GMT
There does not seem a lot going on in UK politics and we appear to live in increasingly quiet times Oh I dunno, you can always rely on Labour to come up with something barmy. For instance, a couple of days ago shadow women and equalities secretary Anneliese Dodds, said this country is "structurally racist" because black households will bear the brunt of the cost-of-living crisis and are five times more likely [Than white households presumably] to struggle with their energy bills. Just another example of Labour weaponising the cost-of-living crisis in favour of minorities while never missing an opportunity to demonise the nasty privileged white majority. Btw, have you noticed the politically correct buzzword favoured by Labour used to be "endemically racist", but in recent months its changed. These days they say "structurally racist". Not that it matters, as long as the white majority are racists of some sort that's all that really matters, for Labour. Which begs the question. Who was to blame for the cost of living crises. You can phone a friend go 50/50 or blame every one else except the wankers who caused. By the way. Covid and Putin no longer work. |
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Post by jaydee on Dec 31, 2022 16:51:47 GMT
Oh I dunno, you can always rely on Labour to come up with something barmy. For instance, a couple of days ago shadow women and equalities secretary Anneliese Dodds, said this country is "structurally racist" because black households will bear the brunt of the cost-of-living crisis and are five times more likely [Than white households presumably] to struggle with their energy bills. Just another example of Labour weaponising the cost-of-living crisis in favour of minorities while never missing an opportunity to demonise the nasty privileged white majority. Btw, have you noticed the politically correct buzzword favoured by Labour used to be "endemically racist", but in recent months its changed. These days they say "structurally racist". Not that it matters, as long as the white majority are racists of some sort that's all that really matters, for Labour. I read that about anneliese dodds weaponising energy bills into somehow being about structural racism.
incredbile. You can see why starmer trys his best to keep the majority of his mps away from the media. Every time one of them open their mouths another voter walks away in disgust at the complete guff these people come out with .
The only problem with that. You only have the choice of two guffs. Like Corby and Bojoke.. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 31, 2022 17:08:47 GMT
Oh I dunno, you can always rely on Labour to come up with something barmy. For instance, a couple of days ago shadow women and equalities secretary Anneliese Dodds, said this country is "structurally racist" because black households will bear the brunt of the cost-of-living crisis and are five times more likely [Than white households presumably] to struggle with their energy bills. Just another example of Labour weaponising the cost-of-living crisis in favour of minorities while never missing an opportunity to demonise the nasty privileged white majority. Btw, have you noticed the politically correct buzzword favoured by Labour used to be "endemically racist", but in recent months its changed. These days they say "structurally racist". Not that it matters, as long as the white majority are racists of some sort that's all that really matters, for Labour. Which begs the question. Who was to blame for the cost of living crises. You can phone a friend go 50/50 or blame every one else except the wankers who caused. By the way. Covid and Putin no longer work. It's Scotland's fault. Obviously. If the benevolent English didn't shell out £billions to wee Jimmy McSturgeon to piss up the wall every bloody year, pensioners would be able to switch the heating on. |
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Post by thomas on Dec 31, 2022 17:17:12 GMT
I read that about anneliese dodds weaponising energy bills into somehow being about structural racism.
incredbile. You can see why starmer trys his best to keep the majority of his mps away from the media. Every time one of them open their mouths another voter walks away in disgust at the complete guff these people come out with .
The only problem with that. You only have the choice of two guffs. Like Corby and Bojoke.. i vote neither.
Blair got my vote in error in 1997 , and never again will i give any labour party the time of day. As i told you afore jaydee , i have never voted the british tories , but my old man was an old staunch scottish tory.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2023 19:02:54 GMT
The only problem with that. You only have the choice of two guffs. Like Corby and Bojoke.. i vote neither.
Blair got my vote in error in 1997 , and never again will i give any labour party the time of day. As i told you afore jaydee , i have never voted the british tories , but my old man was an old staunch scottish tory.
My dad was a working class Tory, my mum more instinctively working class Labour. She rejected Tony Blair and Blairism. What my dad would have thought would be pure conjecture since he died in 1983. As for myself, I was staunchly Labour when it was a genuine party of and for the working class. I would have voted Labour in 1983 had the election not occurred two weeks before my 18th birthday. I did vote Labour in 1987 and 1992. I did so again in 1997 in spite of some early qualms about Blair. 2001 was a borderline decision. A lifelong supporter of the party I was reluctant to give up on it and grasped Blair's promise of a more radical second term like a drowning man grasps a floating mug. I thus after some soul searching voted Labour again in 2001. But it soon became apparent that Blair's idea of radicalism was very different to mine. In my view it was more progressive. In his it revealed itself to be more right wing. By 2002 I'd mentally and psychologically completed my divorce from the party, yet another former staunch working class supporter lost. The Iraq War of 2003 merely reinforced my decision. By now Labour was lurching so far to the right that even the Lib Dems were starting to look like the more progressive option. I ended up voting Lib Dem in 2005 and again in 2010. Then the Lib Dems shat all over me and many more of their supporters, not to mention students, by the Great Betrayal of 2010. I decided at that point that I could not trust them with my vote again. In 2015 Ed Miliband was sounding just about progressive enough for me to vote Labour again as the least bad viable option. When Corbyn became leader I became part of an enthusiastic mass influx into the party and joined it. I know some of my comrades had a reverence for Corbyn personally but for me it was never about him, more about the direction of policy and a party getting back to it's roots. I was as enthusiastic as anyone about the 2017 manifesto and actively campaigned for the party as well as merely voting for it. I did the same in 2019. But by the summer of 2020, after my brother got expelled and I saw the witch hunt of comrades in action, I left the party in disgust. Now it is looking like Labour again is a party I could never vote for. The universe will end before I vote Tory. And I do not feel that I can trust the Lib Dems not to prop up the Tories. If these three were the only choices on offer I wouldn't vote. Any progressive option whether that be a Green or some kind of socialist candidate would get my vote, though under FPTP that is likely to be no more than a mere protest. That is my voting history and the sorry place I find myself in now. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 1, 2023 19:32:53 GMT
i vote neither.
Blair got my vote in error in 1997 , and never again will i give any labour party the time of day. As i told you afore jaydee , i have never voted the british tories , but my old man was an old staunch scottish tory.
My dad was a working class Tory, my mum more instinctively working class Labour. She rejected Tony Blair and Blairism. What my dad would have thought would be pure conjecture since he died in 1983. As for myself, I was staunchly Labour when it was a genuine party of and for the working class. I would have voted Labour in 1983 had the election not occurred two weeks before my 18th birthday. I did vote Labour in 1987 and 1992. I did so again in 1997 in spite of some early qualms about Blair. 2001 was a borderline decision. A lifelong supporter of the party I was reluctant to give up on it and grasped Blair's promise of a more radical second term like a drowning man grasps a floating mug. I thus after some soul searching voted Labour again in 2001. But it soon became apparent that Blair's idea of radicalism was very different to mine. In my view it was more progressive. In his it revealed itself to be more right wing. By 2002 I'd mentally and psychologically completed my divorce from the party, yet another former staunch working class supporter lost. The Iraq War of 2003 merely reinforced my decision. By now Labour was lurching so far to the right that even the Lib Dems were starting to look like the more progressive option. I ended up voting Lib Dem in 2005 and again in 2010. Then the Lib Dems shat all over me and many more of their supporters, not to mention students, by the Great Betrayal of 2010. I decided at that point that I could not trust them with my vote again. In 2015 Ed Miliband was sounding just about progressive enough for me to vote Labour again as the least bad viable option. When Corbyn became leader I became part of an enthusiastic mass influx into the party and joined it. I know some of my comrades had a reverence for Corbyn personally but for me it was never about him, more about the direction of policy and a party getting back to it's roots. I was as enthusiastic as anyone about the 2017 manifesto and actively campaigned for the party as well as merely voting for it. I did the same in 2019. But by the summer of 2020, after my brother got expelled and I saw the witch hunt of comrades in action, I left the party in disgust. Now it is looking like Labour again is a party I could never vote for. The universe will end before I vote Tory. And I do not feel that I can trust the Lib Dems not to prop up the Tories. If these three were the only choices on offer I wouldn't vote. Any progressive option whether that be a Green or some kind of socialist candidate would get my vote, though under FPTP that is likely to be no more than a mere protest. That is my voting history and the sorry place I find myself in now. Vote Reform UK, they could never be worse than what we've had for morew years than I care to remember. Join them, campaign for them. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2023 20:21:22 GMT
My dad was a working class Tory, my mum more instinctively working class Labour. She rejected Tony Blair and Blairism. What my dad would have thought would be pure conjecture since he died in 1983. As for myself, I was staunchly Labour when it was a genuine party of and for the working class. I would have voted Labour in 1983 had the election not occurred two weeks before my 18th birthday. I did vote Labour in 1987 and 1992. I did so again in 1997 in spite of some early qualms about Blair. 2001 was a borderline decision. A lifelong supporter of the party I was reluctant to give up on it and grasped Blair's promise of a more radical second term like a drowning man grasps a floating mug. I thus after some soul searching voted Labour again in 2001. But it soon became apparent that Blair's idea of radicalism was very different to mine. In my view it was more progressive. In his it revealed itself to be more right wing. By 2002 I'd mentally and psychologically completed my divorce from the party, yet another former staunch working class supporter lost. The Iraq War of 2003 merely reinforced my decision. By now Labour was lurching so far to the right that even the Lib Dems were starting to look like the more progressive option. I ended up voting Lib Dem in 2005 and again in 2010. Then the Lib Dems shat all over me and many more of their supporters, not to mention students, by the Great Betrayal of 2010. I decided at that point that I could not trust them with my vote again. In 2015 Ed Miliband was sounding just about progressive enough for me to vote Labour again as the least bad viable option. When Corbyn became leader I became part of an enthusiastic mass influx into the party and joined it. I know some of my comrades had a reverence for Corbyn personally but for me it was never about him, more about the direction of policy and a party getting back to it's roots. I was as enthusiastic as anyone about the 2017 manifesto and actively campaigned for the party as well as merely voting for it. I did the same in 2019. But by the summer of 2020, after my brother got expelled and I saw the witch hunt of comrades in action, I left the party in disgust. Now it is looking like Labour again is a party I could never vote for. The universe will end before I vote Tory. And I do not feel that I can trust the Lib Dems not to prop up the Tories. If these three were the only choices on offer I wouldn't vote. Any progressive option whether that be a Green or some kind of socialist candidate would get my vote, though under FPTP that is likely to be no more than a mere protest. That is my voting history and the sorry place I find myself in now. Vote Reform UK, they could never be worse than what we've had for morew years than I care to remember. Join them, campaign for them. They are far too right wing for me. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 1, 2023 21:06:26 GMT
Vote Reform UK, they could never be worse than what we've had for morew years than I care to remember. Join them, campaign for them. They are far too right wing for me. There's a mix right across the spectrum; their policies are online. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2023 21:33:34 GMT
They are far too right wing for me. There's a mix right across the spectrum; their policies are online. I will check them out when I have more time but they appear to be attracting most of their support from the right, a bit like UKIP in earlier years. And to be totally honest, I am not an across the spectrum kind of guy when it comes to my own personal ideals. I am more a Labour manifesto circa 2017 kind of guy. And is not the founder of Reform an avowed right winger? I will admit though that I do not yet know enough about them to form any firm convictions for or against. But it is my habit to look into the policies of all candidates standing in my constituency in an election, because I like to be certain what I am voting for and what I am voting against. So if a Reform candidate is standing in my constituency I will certainly be fully clued up about them before I vote. From what I have heard though - and by all means correct me if I am wrong - they are proving to be the protest vehicle of choice for disgruntled right wingers. For my protest vote to measure as I want it to, I need to vote for someone whom the left is backing. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 2, 2023 7:34:50 GMT
There's a mix right across the spectrum; their policies are online. I will check them out when I have more time but they appear to be attracting most of their support from the right, a bit like UKIP in earlier years. And to be totally honest, I am not an across the spectrum kind of guy when it comes to my own personal ideals. I am more a Labour manifesto circa 2017 kind of guy. And is not the founder of Reform an avowed right winger? I will admit though that I do not yet know enough about them to form any firm convictions for or against. But it is my habit to look into the policies of all candidates standing in my constituency in an election, because I like to be certain what I am voting for and what I am voting against. So if a Reform candidate is standing in my constituency I will certainly be fully clued up about them before I vote. From what I have heard though - and by all means correct me if I am wrong - they are proving to be the protest vehicle of choice for disgruntled right wingers. For my protest vote to measure as I want it to, I need to vote for someone whom the left is backing. Their predecessor, the Brexit Party, took more than a few Corbyn's Labour voters at the last EU elections. |
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