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Post by thomas on Jan 2, 2023 12:09:23 GMT
If you dont want to buy our energy , thats up to you. There is an energy crises across the continent , where we could easily find a new market. \ Yes - that is the point, what technology are you going to use to export all this energy if the UK has no use for it?. I suppose an interconnect cable to Ireland and thence to the European mainland is feasible. The uk wont exist (pedantic point) when scotland leaves.
countries export energy by land and sea all over the world. Is this something again you think scotland will be uniquely incapable of?
France has interconnectors to you supplying you with electric , yet you dont rule their country , and arent part of their union of european nations. You sell gas via a pipeline across the north sea to holland into europe. Im not sure why you think an energy rich scotland would have issues , while energy rich norway doesnt regarding selling energy?( For example the 720 km subsea connector from norway to the uk?)
I would stop worrying about us pacifico , and worry about your own countries lack of energy security.
The fact neither labour nor tory have had a coherent long term vision for the uks energy and security is a national disgrace.
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Post by jaydee on Jan 2, 2023 12:09:33 GMT
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Post by thomas on Jan 2, 2023 12:20:01 GMT
I do not see scotland and what would be left of the uk ever getting to a situation where one refuses to buy and/or one refuses to sell. If Scotland was in the EU it would do as it was told and in the event of a crisis then if the EU insisted that Scotland give priority to EU supplies of energy then the UK could find itself in the dark - hence the need for the UK to be self sufficient and not reliant on Scotland or anyone else. If scotland rejoins the EU , it will have the same trade deal with England the EU has , and all of the trade deals around the world brexit England doesnt have.
The unknown and the dark horse of future instability isnt an indy scotland in the EU , its scotland part of a brexit uk.
That is the cold hard fact .
Wether the uk , or more properly i think England and wales ( as i fully expect scotland northern ireland to be gone) is self sufficient in future in many areas such as energy , the simple fact is today ,here and now , England will not be self sufficient.
Its going to take years , and hundreds of billions of long term investment to go down whatever route of energy security you choose , and at theminute , im sure you will be the first to agree both labour and tory are dithering over net zero , nuclear route and energy policy in general.
Its the usual short term cakeism , and future unicorns with a large dose of ineptitude on offer from westminster.
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Post by jaydee on Jan 2, 2023 12:32:07 GMT
If Scotland was in the EU it would do as it was told and in the event of a crisis then if the EU insisted that Scotland give priority to EU supplies of energy then the UK could find itself in the dark - hence the need for the UK to be self sufficient and not reliant on Scotland or anyone else.
Its the usual short term cakeism , and future unicorns with a large dose of ineptitude on offer from westminster. It is unbelievable how the little Englander brain operate. The trade deals between England and Scotland come in at around £180 billion. Both countries being each others largest trading partners. And clowns are suggesting that some future arsehole English chancellor is going to scrap the deal putting millions out of work in England. Because the little Englanders cannot get it into the swede. The SNP do not wish to leave England. They wish to leave the UK. Which translates to that mind set that is England . Anti English and traitors. I wonder why it is never anti Welsh or Irish. I am surprised that defence has not come up. I mean FFS a indy Scotland must be at risk to alien attack if it left England. michaelgreenwell.wordpress.com/2013/10/12/independent-scotland-at-greater-risk-of-defeat-by-alien-invasion-warning/ |
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Post by thomas on Jan 2, 2023 12:44:43 GMT
Its the usual short term cakeism , and future unicorns with a large dose of ineptitude on offer from westminster. It is unbelievable how the little Englander brain operate. The trade deals between England and Scotland come in at around £180 billion. Both countries being each others largest trading partners. And clowns are suggesting that some future arsehole English chancellor is going to scrap the deal putting millions out of work in England. Because the little Englanders cannot get it into the swede. The SNP do not wish to leave England. They wish to leave the UK. Which translates to that mind set that is England . Anti English and traitors. I wonder why it is never anti Welsh or Irish. I am surprised that defence has not come up. I mean FFS a indy Scotland must be at risk to alien attack if it left England. michaelgreenwell.wordpress.com/2013/10/12/independent-scotland-at-greater-risk-of-defeat-by-alien-invasion-warning/ i know jaydee i dont really get that argument. The idea england will cut its nose to spite its face may make good headlines for the unionists if we were to leave , but the fact remains scotland is brexit englands second biggest trading partner , with scotland buying £62.7 billion of ruk exports.
That arguemnt works both ways , and i would imagine a brexit england or ruk is going to need all the trade deals they can get with us and other nations.
We just saw that british exceptionlism arguemnt at work with the eu debate , they need us more then we need them sort of thing , give us access to the single market of the german car makers will suffer.
What happend? Boris johnson capitulated over the NIP and gave away a part of uk territory to the EU he was so desperate.
When scotland leaves , there will be the usual petted lips , but eventually common sense will prevail.
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Post by jaydee on Jan 2, 2023 12:53:17 GMT
It is unbelievable how the little Englander brain operate. The trade deals between England and Scotland come in at around £180 billion. Both countries being each others largest trading partners. And clowns are suggesting that some future arsehole English chancellor is going to scrap the deal putting millions out of work in England. Because the little Englanders cannot get it into the swede. The SNP do not wish to leave England. They wish to leave the UK. Which translates to that mind set that is England . Anti English and traitors. I wonder why it is never anti Welsh or Irish. I am surprised that defence has not come up. I mean FFS a indy Scotland must be at risk to alien attack if it left England. michaelgreenwell.wordpress.com/2013/10/12/independent-scotland-at-greater-risk-of-defeat-by-alien-invasion-warning/ i know jaydee i dont really get that argument. The idea england will cut its nose to spite its face may make good headlines for the unionists if we were to leave , but the fact remains scotland is brexit englands second biggest trading partner , with scotland buying £62.7 billion of ruk exports.
That arguemnt works both ways , and i would imagine a brexit england or ruk is going to need all the trade deals they can get with us and other nations.
We just saw that british exceptionlism arguemnt at work with the eu debate , they need us more then we need them sort of thing , give us access to the single market of the german car makers will suffer.
What happend? Boris johnson capitulated over the NIP and gave away a part of uk territory to the EU he was so desperate.
When scotland leaves , there will be the usual petted lips , but eventually common sense will prevail.
The latest figures I have. Not including oil and gas, Scotland sold £86.4 billion in goods and services to England. England sold £93.4 billions in goods and services to Scotland. Scotland in terms of countries is England's largest trading partner with exports to Scotland greater than to Brazil, South Africa, Russia,. India, China and Japan put together. As I stated. The jock haters are suggesting that some future arsehole English chancellor is going to put millions on the dole in England and destroy nearly £200 billion worth of trade. While not so long ago The late Queen and Phil dined the Chinese PM complete with changing of the guard at Buck house. To do a deal to pay for Hinkley Point at £6 billion. That has now fallen by the wayside. The Chinese do not trust the Westminster wankers. Scotland is the only UK nation to have exported more goods internationally than it has imported every year since records began. In terms of exports per head, Scotland outperforms the UK: Scotland exports £17,455 per head per year, while England exports £8,626 per head per year. Scotland is an exporting powerhouse, whose success has had nothing to do with being part of the UK, but whose future has been jeopardised due to the UK taking Scotland out of the European Union.. . In contrast, England's international trade deficit in goods is massive. The trouble with common sense. As you can see on here. With little Englanders. It is anything but common |
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Post by om15 on Jan 2, 2023 12:55:44 GMT
What do you think the resolution to the difficult question of Faslane will be? Expulsion as demanded by the Greens or common sense?
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Post by thomas on Jan 2, 2023 13:02:59 GMT
What do you think the resolution to the difficult question of Faslane will be? Expulsion as demanded by the Greens or common sense? what difficult about the question? have you ever been to faslane om? i worked there as a sub contractor for over 7 years.
Im my personal view , i would say give England a timescale to relocate the american nuclear weapons and their subs to somewhere in their own country ( leaving them to worry about nimbyism , cost etc ) and say lease the faslane base for an agreed upon amount of time.
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Post by thomas on Jan 2, 2023 13:04:44 GMT
i know jaydee i dont really get that argument. The idea england will cut its nose to spite its face may make good headlines for the unionists if we were to leave , but the fact remains scotland is brexit englands second biggest trading partner , with scotland buying £62.7 billion of ruk exports.
That arguemnt works both ways , and i would imagine a brexit england or ruk is going to need all the trade deals they can get with us and other nations.
We just saw that british exceptionlism arguemnt at work with the eu debate , they need us more then we need them sort of thing , give us access to the single market of the german car makers will suffer.
What happend? Boris johnson capitulated over the NIP and gave away a part of uk territory to the EU he was so desperate.
When scotland leaves , there will be the usual petted lips , but eventually common sense will prevail.
The latest figures I have. Not including oil and gas, Scotland sold £86.4 billion in goods and services to England. England sold £93.4 billions in goods and services to Scotland. Scotland in terms of countries is England's largest trading partner with exports to Scotland greater than to Brazil, South Africa, Russia,. India, China and Japan put together. As I stated. The jock haters are suggesting that some future arsehole English chancellor is going to put millions on the dole in England and destroy nearly £200 billion worth of trade. While not so long ago The late Queen and Phil dined the Chinese PM complete with changing of the guard at Buck house. To do a deal to pay for Hinkley Point at £6 billion. That has now fallen by the wayside. The Chinese do not trust the Westminster wankers. Scotland is the only UK nation to have exported more goods internationally than it has imported every year since records began. In terms of exports per head, Scotland outperforms the UK: Scotland exports £17,455 per head per year, while England exports £8,626 per head per year. Scotland is an exporting powerhouse, whose success has had nothing to do with being part of the UK, but whose future has been jeopardised due to the UK taking Scotland out of the European Union.. . In contrast, England's international trade deficit in goods is massive. The trouble with common sense. As you can see on here. With little Englanders. It is anything but common my bad jaydee. My figures must be a year older than yours.
Fully agree though with what you have written.
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Post by thomas on Jan 2, 2023 13:13:02 GMT
What do you think the resolution to the difficult question of Faslane will be? Expulsion as demanded by the Greens or common sense? the only difficulty is for England as we know through the likes of sir David Omand is that scottish indy could possibly mean the end of England/ruk as a nuclear power and its bargaining chip for scotland that outranks much else.......
Your country appears to face an extremely diffcult question om.....
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Post by jaydee on Jan 2, 2023 13:27:39 GMT
What do you think the resolution to the difficult question of Faslane will be? Expulsion as demanded by the Greens or common sense? How many times do you need telling. You have been told this around a hundred time by me. Apart from the fact you do not have a clue were Faslane is. It is a red line with the SNP that on independence nuclear weapons will be moved of Scottish soil within three years. Nothing to do with your sudden hatred of the greens. Is that the enemy to hate today. That has been installed in the grey matter between the lugs. That is and always has been the policy of the SNP. That allocation is considered a safe time scale. . But could I point out. It is cost prohibitive to move. And it is not a independent deterrent. And all the fanny you and your ilk are going to come up with will not alter that fact. It has been discussed a million times. It is the most expensive stick on hairy chest in the world. It is owned by the Americans and leased to the UK. And under the total control of POTUS. There is not as chance in hell the US would allow the UK to use it on a unilateral basis. Such as the Falklands. Apart from that under Articles I, II and III of NPT. An independent Scotland would be a new country. As would England and be prohibited from buying or storing nuclear weapons. Under Article III the USofA would be prohibited by selling those weapons. So it would have nothing to do with the FM if she would like to keep them or not. On top of that. A separate England would no longer be at the top table of the UN. You have to be a nuclear power for that one. The stick on hairy chest will be removed. And before you go ranting about the thousand of jobs lost re Trident , that you source from BNP/EDL/UKIP fascist nut jobs. Faslane employs 520 civilians in terms of Trident. . The naval base there along with Rosyth will still be there on a indy Scotland. Employing much the same. How many times does it need explaining. Try reading the defence paper on indy Scotland. You have had the link a dozen times from me. Now I have a better idea. You tell me what a indy England is going to do with Trident. Apart from lying and breaking international treaties. I am still waiting on you to correct one of my posts. Anyone will do. www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/britains-nuclear-deterrent-isnt-independentwww.politico.eu/article/uk-trident-nuclear-progra. |
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Post by bancroft on Jan 2, 2023 14:20:36 GMT
Quite simple for me England would probably build three sites capable of hosting nuclear submarines to keep the MOD happy.
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Post by om15 on Jan 2, 2023 14:34:26 GMT
Jaydee, in the event of independence a junior duty officer in the Pentagon will phone the FM and inform him/her that the weapons will remain where they are. Now, you tell us incessantly in great detail just what a powerhouse Scotland is, how much better, richer and how the inhabitants are so much more cleverer than the English, can you advise why, in this economic powerhouse, the people are so poor that they are unable to feed themselves. Nicola Sturgeon shamed as Scottish children more reliant on food banks than five years ago Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP have been warned she must act now after damning new figures showed the number of food parcels distributed by poverty charities to children in Scotland has skyrocketed since 2017. Food poverty organisation Trussell Trust has released mid-year statistics that reveal the total number of food parcels handed out over the last five years has surged 65 percent, while food distributed to children has jumped by 77 percent. www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1715680/nicola-sturgeon-snp-government-children-food-banks-parcels-scottish-law |
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Post by thomas on Jan 2, 2023 14:46:46 GMT
Jaydee, in the event of independence a junior duty officer in the Pentagon will phone the FM and inform him/her that the weapons will remain where they are. would that be the same junior officer that phoned westmisnter to tell them northern ireland was remianing in the EU?
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Post by om15 on Jan 2, 2023 14:52:15 GMT
Possibly.
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