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Post by totheleft3 on Dec 29, 2022 5:35:32 GMT
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Post by Vinny on Dec 29, 2022 10:02:23 GMT
No, they're not, they never have been and never will be, they're a tax and spend bunch of useless clueless dreamers. Also, last time they were in they sold our gold at knockdown prices, deficit spent us into the biggest recession of our lifetimes and bombed the crap out of Iraq for the sake of Blair's delusion of being the world's policeman. For the first term of "New Labour" Gordon Brown boasted of "Prudence". news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/uk/2000/csr/840091.stmHe launched a £5,000,000,000 a year raid on pensions. www.moneymarketing.co.uk/news/brown-ignored-warnings-on-5bn-a-year-pensions-raid/He held a 3g auction raising £22,000,000,000 but squandered it. www.zdnet.com/home-and-office/networking/bt-accuses-government-over-3g-tax-3002086122/His mistake hit BT so hard they sold off their mobile phone business which became O2. The EU warned Gordon Brown to cut spending or raise taxes in 2006 when he was in breach of EU deficit rules: www.theguardian.com/business/2006/jan/12/europeanunion.politicsAnd if you look at what the economist Ruth Lea has to say, she worked for Gordon Brown, she warned him that his profligate spending policies would end in tears, he sacked her and the effects of the 2007-08 recession proved her right. I've no love for the tories either, but Labour are authoritarian, profligate and out of touch. Small government is better than big government. We should only have the regulation necessary to keep people safe, not regulation to have people controlled and constrained. And we should be very very careful about what we tax who we tax and how we tax. The poorest in society already bear a high tax burden, Labour for all their talk, would do nothing to help the poorest. Starmer needs to go. Question is, who would replace him ? |
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Post by totheleft3 on Dec 29, 2022 11:55:51 GMT
Vinny have you looked at my independent links they prove you wrong but thats your right wing bias.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 29, 2022 12:33:50 GMT
Poster called "totheleft" talks about right wing bias.
That's weapons grade irony.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 31, 2022 7:56:16 GMT
Hmm - in the first graph (GDP growth) Labour inherited a growing economy which continued to grow all the while they followed Tory spending decisions. When in 2000 Brown abandoned that policy growth was downhill all the way from then.. Not sure what you think that is evidence of...  |
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Post by totheleft3 on Dec 31, 2022 8:02:34 GMT
Growth is growth it still higher than the previous Government has there been any high growth since 2010?
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 31, 2022 8:10:38 GMT
Following Crash Gordons policies led to growth collapsing from 3.5% to just under 2% when he was turfed out.
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Post by patman post on Dec 31, 2022 12:19:19 GMT
The uncomfortable truth for all political parties in the UK is the lack of enough honest, inspiring and capable people available to lead them.
And this also seems to be the case throughout Europe and the Western World...
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Post by patman post on Dec 31, 2022 12:35:37 GMT
Many people think that the conservatives are the party that handel the economy better .But evidence points there wrong Only if they're Brahms & Liszt. All parties eventually see their economic plans unRavel when in government. Then, when they're deposed, their chancellors go into Haydn, and their shadow front bench Bach at the new party in power, while the civil servants are kept Bizet trying to guide their new masters without being too Franck... |
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Post by thomas on Dec 31, 2022 13:46:43 GMT
Many people think that the conservatives are the party that handel the economy better .But evidence points there wrong Im not a conservative voter , but clearly you can see why the people on england vote tory when faced with the prospect of a new labour government.
As i understand it , gordon brown as incoming chancellor was handed the best set of balanced books any chancellor in modern uk history has inherited. By the time he and his party were kicked out of power , they left a note saying all the money was gone.
That sums up the ineptitude of new labour in power.
We saw the same at holyrood in 2007 when they were kicked out , they had scotland in a mess , and when they were booted out of glasgow in 2017 for the first time in 8 decades , the stench of corruption , ineptitude , mismanagement and wastefullness echoed what we have seen elsewhere they were in charge. Im thinking of the mess they left in liverpool and croydon for example.
Even in wales , from reports the worst performing economy in the uk over the last twenty years where labour have been continously in charge , one of their own politicians in welsh labour admitted labour didnt know what theywere doing on the economy.
What more needs said?
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Post by thomas on Dec 31, 2022 13:50:22 GMT
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Post by totheleft3 on Dec 31, 2022 14:22:58 GMT
Oh Thomas you keep on going on how much better Scotland is better off without new labour .
Are you forgetting who gave you devolution in the first place ?
Has for the no money note it was a joke.
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Post by Vinny on Dec 31, 2022 16:58:05 GMT
On top of what I said earlier there was also this: Vince Cable 13/11/2003 hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2003-11-13/debates/8a9480f0-0d87-419d-9e55-9108f6a8788d/InterestRatesColumn 398 and he was right. Labour mismanaged the economy during the Blair / Brown years and not only that, deregulated the banks too. It didn't go well at all. It's not bias as I don't like any of them. Study enough facts and you wouldn't either. Politicians are there to be hired and fired, not liked. Labour were shit last time they were in, so we fired them. The Tories are shit too, one day we'll fire them as well, but the fact will surprise some people who expect better from Labour, Labour are shit. On everything from needless handgun bans to curtailments of right of protest, to unequal devolution (why did England not get a devolved Parliament as well ?) Labour were abysmal. Their answer to Northern Ireland was capitulation to the IRA. Their answer to the EU was to say yes to everything it wanted for so called "influence" which in reality meant getting rid of vetoes and implementing things the public didn't want. But on the economy they excelled themselves squandering lavish amounts of cash on stupid Millennium projects. The Millennium Dome which cost £700 million was sold to a Labour donor for £125m www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/nov/21/dome.davidhencke192 the old directory enquiries service was privatised and marketised for reasons unknown to sanity, providing absolutely no additional benefit to anyone and replaced with 118 numbers. The rather useless Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act of 2000 resulted in abuse of investigatory powers by councils. I can think of other stupid things they did including their policy on guns.   Even though it's a 6mm battery powered "airsoft" designed not to be able to penetrate the human eyeball, you have to be a registered skirmisher or you cannot legally buy it. But if you want to own this:  Because it is an air gun it is not prohibited for sale by their legislation.
They're a bunch of useless dreamers with their heads in fantasy land.
Taxpayers money gets wasted implementing shit laws.
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Post by thomas on Dec 31, 2022 17:15:25 GMT
Oh Thomas you keep on going on how much better Scotland is better off without new labour . Are you forgetting who gave you devolution in the first place ? it is better off without labour.
On the subject of devolution it was the council of europe that forced blair to give scotland a weak watered down devolution . Alistair campbell wrote about it in his memoirs and how blair called it a damn nuisance.
Did you forget labours part in overturning the 1979 scottish devolution referendum , where they helped stop people voting , and had the dead voting no ?
This simmered for the bst part of twenty years , with many scottish political groups like the old scottish democrats petitioning the council of europe and how the british government were treating its minority countries within the uk.
so no i havent forget perhaps you are unaware though.
Everywhere labour take control of like wales , they run into the ground for thier own interests , and use as nothing more than voting fodder for their battles in london. thank christ we scots , and the northern english have seen through you.
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Post by totheleft3 on Dec 31, 2022 17:56:03 GMT
On top of what I said earlier economyere was also this: Vince Cable 13/11/2003 hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2003-11-13/debates/8a9480f0-0d87-419d-9e55-9108f6a8788d/InterestRatesColumn 398 and he was right. Labour mismanaged the economy during the Blair / Brown years and not only that, deregulated the banks too. It didn't go well at all. It's not bias as I don't like any of them. Study enough facts and you wouldn't either. Politicians are there to be hired and fired, not liked. Labour were shit last time they were in, so we fired them. The Tories are shit too, one day we'll fire them as well, but the fact will surprise some people who expect better from Labour, Labour are shit. On everything from needless handgun bans to curtailments of right of protest, to unequal devolution (why did England not get a devolved Parliament as well ?) Labour were abysmal. Their answer to Northern Ireland was capitulation to the IRA. Their answer to the EU was to say yes to everything it wanted for so called "influence" which in reality meant getting rid of vetoes and implementing things the public didn't want. But on the economy they excelled themselves squandering lavish amounts of cash on stupid Millennium projects. The Millennium Dome which cost £700 million was sold to a Labour donor for £125m www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/nov/21/dome.davidhencke192 the old directory enquiries service was privatised and marketised for reasons unknown to sanity, providing absolutely no additional benefit to anyone and replaced with 118 numbers. The rather useless Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act of 2000 resulted in abuse of investigatory powers by councils. I can think of other stupid things they did including their policy on guns. Even though it's a 6mm battery powered "airsoft" designed not to be able to penetrate the human eyeball, you have to be a registered skirmisher or you cannot legally buy it. But if you want to own this: Because it is an air gun it is not prohibited for sale by their legislation.
They're a bunch of useless dreamers with their heads in fantasy land.
Taxpayers money gets wasted implementing shit laws.
All this and the evidence still points that labour was better at the economy then the conservitives. |
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