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Post by jaydee on Jan 19, 2023 13:17:12 GMT
Copy and paste. Oh dear he is off on his circular rant. Who is father Jack. You do not have a clue do you. FFS Jack the SNPs answer. Paying to drink your own excrement is really affecting you . Now what on earth is a sooper dooper little Englander like you who says he does not give a fuck about the Jocks, ranting he speaks for all real Englishmen. Doing on here. đ Oh dear. He suddenly after a wee check discovered who Jack was. What was that about clowns. Now could you really exert your brain a wee bit more and tell me what exactly is your problem with the bill. That you sen fit to make a clown of yourself. Then third time on this exchange. You still have not told me when you stated the English do not give a fuck about the Scots. Which translates to. YOU do not give a fuck about the Scots. Why are you on here. It is beyond my ken how much more simple a question can get. You do not even know yourself. take your time. You can phone a friend go 50/50 or ask OM15. I am off for my afternoon siesta. After a nice plate of Scottish home made chicken noodle soup. By the way i am hearing in bankrupt England in the sunny uplands. Eggs, milk and bread are getting dearer than diesel. Must be SNP propaganda www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-63778665 |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 19, 2023 13:22:09 GMT
Oh dear. He suddenly after a wee check discovered who Jack was. What was that about clowns. Now could you really exert your brain a wee bit more and tell me what exactly is your problem with the bill. That you sen fit to make a clown of yourself. Then third time on this exchange. You still have not told me when you stated the English do not give a fuck about the Scots. Which translates to. YOU do not give a fuck about the Scots. Why are you on here. It is beyond my ken how much more simple a question can get. You do not even know yourself. take your time. You can phone a friend go 50/50 or ask OM15. I am off for my afternoon siesta. After a nice plate of Scottish home made chicken noodle soup. By the way i am hearing in bankrupt England in the sunny uplands. Eggs, milk and bread are getting dearer than diesel. Must be SNP propaganda www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-63778665I suspect most things are beyond your Ken , matey.đ |
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Post by om15 on Jan 19, 2023 13:23:32 GMT
Certainly, it is manifestly obvious that it is a direct threat to the safety of women by denying them safe private space. The fact that a rapist can, without any reference to medical expertease, on conviction declare himself a women in order to be put in a women's prison is so breathtakingly wrong that it is impossible to see how a balanced and sane person can support it.
If the Scots wish to live in a land fit for perverts that is their business. Rishy Sunak is to be applauded in his steps to prevent this vile nonsense infecting England.
Sturgeon is only driving this rubbish because she herself would like to self certify as a bloke.
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Post by research0it on Jan 19, 2023 13:34:39 GMT
Certainly, it is manifestly obvious that it is a direct threat to the safety of women by denying them safe private space. The fact that a rapist can, without any reference to medical expertease, on conviction declare himself a women in order to be put in a women's prison is so breathtakingly wrong that it is impossible to see how a balanced and sane person can support it. If the Scots wish to live in a land fit for perverts that is their business. Rishy Sunak is to be applauded in his steps to prevent this vile nonsense infecting England. Sturgeon is only driving this rubbish because she herself would like to self certify as a bloke. Hi Om15 Again the inappropriate use of the word pervert. I'm sure you're wrong about nicola sturgeon as well. I return to the point that everyone seems to ignore. What extra risk does this legislation enable? The uk transgender act 2004, allows males to enter women's spaces. A GRC is not checked at the door, so what is preventing me from dressing up as a woman right now, and entering women's spaces? |
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Post by happyjack on Jan 19, 2023 14:04:32 GMT
Or, indeed, what is to stop you entering a women only space right now no matter how you are dressed? If a man is intent on sexually assaulting or raping a women, and is prepared to run the risk of facing the legal and societal consequences of doing so, I donât see why he would be deterred by the much milder potential penalties associated with entering a women only space in order that he can do so.
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Post by Bentley on Jan 19, 2023 14:07:05 GMT
Or, indeed, what is to stop you entering or women only space right now no matter how you are dressed? If a man is intent on sexually assaulting or raping a women, and is prepared to run the risk of facing the legal and societal consequences of doing so, I donât see why he would be deterred by the much milder potential penalties associated with entering a women only space in order that he can do so. On that note we shouldnât bother to lock our doors at night. A determined burglar just needs a brick to break a window. |
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Post by happyjack on Jan 19, 2023 14:18:17 GMT
I am not sure if that stacks up but I take your point, so maybe I need to re-evaluate things a little. Locking our doors makes it more difficult for burglars to enter our homes (and it helps maintain our insurance protection in the event of a burglary too, as I understand things) but a man can just as easily enter a women only space irrespective of how he is dressed. That said, I can see that he would more quickly draw attention to himself if dressed as a man and would therefore be more likely to be challenged, but I donât think that it takes long for many of us to spot a man dressed as a woman most of the time - not in the UK anyway, it is a lot more challenging in some other parts of the world.
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Post by happyjack on Jan 19, 2023 14:38:17 GMT
I am not sure if that stacks up but I take your point, so maybe I need to re-evaluate things a little. Locking our doors makes it more difficult for burglars to enter our homes (and it helps maintain our insurance protection in the event of a burglary too, as I understand things) but a man can just as easily enter a women only space irrespective of how he is dressed. That said, I can see that he would more quickly draw attention to himself if dressed as a man and would therefore be more likely to be challenged, but I donât think that it takes long for many of us to spot a man dressed as a woman most of the time - not in the UK anyway, it is a lot more challenging in some other parts of the world. Thinking about the âother parts of the worldâ that I had in mind, these countries are much more comfortable with, and tolerant of, people with cross-gender issues. I could be wrong but, as far as I am aware, they donât have issues of the type envisaged by many over here. I must check this out with my friends from those parts. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 19, 2023 14:42:30 GMT
I am not sure if that stacks up but I take your point, so maybe I need to re-evaluate things a little. Locking our doors makes it more difficult for burglars to enter our homes (and it helps maintain our insurance protection in the event of a burglary too, as I understand things) but a man can just as easily enter a women only space irrespective of how he is dressed. That said, I can see that he would more quickly draw attention to himself if dressed as a man and would therefore be more likely to be challenged, but I donât think that it takes long for many of us to spot a man dressed as a woman most of the time - not in the UK anyway, it is a lot more challenging in some other parts of the world. Thinking about the âother parts of the worldâ that I had in mind, these countries are much more comfortable with, and tolerant of, people with cross-gender issues. I could be wrong but, as far as I am aware, they donât have issues of the type envisaged by many over here. I tend to listen to women and their concerns about the trans issue and it seems a lot of people here feel the same . Maybe those countries donât . Maybe men defining themselves as women and getting a free pass to womenâs spaces is a sign that the patriarchy does exist. |
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Post by happyjack on Jan 19, 2023 14:50:27 GMT
My instinct is first and foremost to protect our women too, but I am not sure how much of their concern is justified and how much is just that they would feel uncomfortable with the situation.
I have been in mixed public toilets abroad and nobody there seems to be perturbed by them.
This points to the expressed concerns being more a cultural issue than a genuine threat to womenâs safety.
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Post by Bentley on Jan 19, 2023 15:00:55 GMT
My instinct is first and foremost to protect our women too, but I am not sure how much of their concern is justified and how much is just that they would feel uncomfortable with the situation. I have been in mixed public toilets abroad and nobody there seems to be perturbed by them. So you taking a wizz abroad outranks the view of the women who are concerned? How patronising you . |
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Post by happyjack on Jan 19, 2023 15:03:29 GMT
No it doesnât and I never said that it does - but my experiences and observations do influence my view.
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Post by Bentley on Jan 19, 2023 15:22:19 GMT
No it doesnât and I never said that it does - but my experiences and observations do influence my view. More than the view of the women concerned,it seems. |
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Post by happyjack on Jan 19, 2023 15:34:20 GMT
Maybe to you, but thatâs your problem.
As I said above, my first and foremost instinct is to protect our women. By that I mean protect them from harm but, if I ever come to the conclusion that their concerns about being harmed are not justified, then I guess my instinct would then be to protect self-defining women from being victims of prejudice..
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Post by research0it on Jan 19, 2023 15:34:32 GMT
Or, indeed, what is to stop you entering or women only space right now no matter how you are dressed? If a man is intent on sexually assaulting or raping a women, and is prepared to run the risk of facing the legal and societal consequences of doing so, I donât see why he would be deterred by the much milder potential penalties associated with entering a women only space in order that he can do so. On that note we shouldnât bother to lock our doors at night. A determined burglar just needs a brick to break a window. Hi Bentley That's worth thinking about but my instincts say they're unrelated points. Not locking up increases the risk marginally but I doubt the new legislation actually increases the risk of male assault on women. It's common in Europe for example to have mixed sex saunas, with full nudity and there is no evidence that these places harbour greater risk for women. If I think about it, women seem to me to be in most risk from their partners followed by walking alone at night. The dangers from this or the 2004 uk act, seem way over blown. |
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