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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 20, 2024 10:33:22 GMT
these wont be blacks who flooded in the country after Brexit suck it up you voted for it Dogburger thinks black people shouldn't be allowed to hold high office, so I wouldn't even waste my time trying to reason with him. You shouldn't waste your time trying to reason, Stevie. 🤣
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 20, 2024 10:34:03 GMT
It's a good job Saint Orac runs both sites and allows his trolls to smear the members on here. One of your friends is on here informing the forum that he hates the people of rural England. you lie i hate zionist not people of rural england The Islamist strikes again.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 20, 2024 10:38:22 GMT
Lets be objective. If bad people are let off because they're a different colour, good people who are a different colour will start to suffer racism. If bad people are not left off, whatever colour they are, potential bad people will see that there's no special preference, that crime doesn't pay, and will fall in line. Everyone will be happier. Special preferences have been disastrous. Chris Kaba died because he was a criminal, not because the Police are racist. The pushing of the "ooh the Police are racist" exaggeration means somewhere out there, another potential Chris Kaba could be playing the race card and committing crime, downwardly spiraling into a life of crime that will ruin him. Yes but the left don't care about black people: They're just pawns in the game. Lammy, Abbott and Co don't give a shit how many Ghetto black kids get stabbed, as long as they get to blame someone else and present themselves as the answer to societies ills. And mugs like TTL and Postman Prat suck up that Kool Aid like it's going out of fashion.
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Post by Vinny on Nov 20, 2024 10:40:02 GMT
Why would you hate a Zionist? because i belief that Israel is the land of Torah believing jews not Zionist atheist. you do know zionist considered other places has there homeland before Palestine? Zionism is the belief that those who uphold the ten commandments are entitled to their place in the promised land in accordance with the covenant. Those Israelis who do not steal or murder etc, are real Zionists. Those who do steal, murder etc are not.
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Post by Totheleft on Nov 20, 2024 10:52:03 GMT
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Post by Bentley on Nov 20, 2024 10:59:02 GMT
This is the secular government that is not religious? ”In some ways, it already has. As a precondition to some of his coalition deals, Netanyahu is pushing laws through the Knesset that grant new powers to his incoming ministers, allowing them expanded oversight of everything from law enforcement to Jewish settlements in the West Bank. The Shas party is also demanding an overhaul of the Israeli court system that would grant more authority over rabbinic judges and less oversight from secular ombudsmen, a move that legal observers in the country warn would cripple the judiciary and open the door to misconduct by rabbinic judges.
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Post by Totheleft on Nov 20, 2024 11:14:44 GMT
This is the secular government that is not religious? ”In some ways, it already has. As a precondition to some of his coalition deals, Netanyahu is pushing laws through the Knesset that grant new powers to his incoming ministers, allowing them expanded oversight of everything from law enforcement to Jewish settlements in the West Bank. The Shas party is also demanding an overhaul of the Israeli court system that would grant more authority over rabbinic judges and less oversight from secular ombudsmen, a move that legal observers in the country warn would cripple the judiciary and open the door to misconduct by rabbinic judges.
yes bang on that the reason i said i hate Zionist thanks for confirming that
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Post by Vinny on Nov 20, 2024 11:15:52 GMT
You've ignored what a real Zionist is and carried on with the anti Semitic trope of ignorance.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 20, 2024 11:18:10 GMT
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Post by Bentley on Nov 20, 2024 11:20:16 GMT
400 bad request . You can’t even post a link. opens up fine for me It doesn’t for me doofus .
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Post by Totheleft on Nov 20, 2024 11:26:03 GMT
You've ignored what a real Zionist is and carried on with the anti Semitic trope of ignorance. Early Jewish anti-Zionism Formal anti-Zionism arose in the late 19th century as a response to Theodor Herzl's proposal in The Jewish State (1896) to create an independent country in Palestine for Jews subject to persecution in the "civilized nations" of Europe,[10] but even before Herzl, the idea of Zionism – of Jews as constituting a nation rather than a people constituted by their religion – promoted by Moses Hess (1862) and Leo Pinsker (1882) elicited fierce opposition within European Orthodox Jewry. Samson Raphael Hirsch, for one, considered the active promotion of Jewish emigration to Palestine a sin.[11] The creation of a Jewish state before the appearance of the messiah was widely interpreted in Jewish religious circles as contradicting the divine will, a programme, furthermore, that was visibly driven by Jewish secularists. Until World War I, across Central Europe, Jewish religious leaders largely perceived the Zionist movement's aspirations for Jewish nationhood in a distant "New Judea" as a threat, in that it might encourage paradoxically the very antisemites, with their treatment of Jews in their midst as "aliens", whose fundamental rationale Zionism itself sought to undermine.[12]
When Herzl began to propound his proposal, many, including, secular Jews, regarded Zionism as a fanciful and unrealistic movement.[13] Some antisemites even dismissed it as a "Jewish trick".[c] Many assimilationist Jewish liberals, heirs of the Enlightenment, had argued that Jews should enjoy full equality in exchange for a pledge of loyalty to their respective nation-states.[14] Those liberal Jews who accepted integration and assimilationist principles saw Zionism as a threat to efforts to facilitate Jewish citizenship and equality within the European nation-state context.[15] Many in the intellectual elite of the Anglo-Jewish community, for example, opposed Zionism because they felt most at home in England, where, in their view, antisemitism was neither a social or cultural norm.[d][e] The Jewish establishment in Germany, France (and its Alliance Israelite Universelle),[f] and America strongly identified with its respective states, a sentiment that made it regard Zionism negatively.[g] Reform rabbis in German-speaking lands and Hungary advocated the erasure of all mentions of Zion in their prayer books.[16] Herzl's successor, the Zionist atheist Max Nordau, whose views on race coincided with those of the antisemitic Drumont,[h] lambasted Reform Judaism for emptying ancient Jewish prayers of their literal meaning in claiming that the Jewish diaspora was a fact of destiny.
Herzl's proposal initially met with broad, vigorous opposition within Jewish intellectual, social and political movements.[j] A notable exception was the religious Mizrachi movement.[17] After the Tenth Zionist Congress moved to expand in Palestine, many Orthodox Jews left the Mizrachi movement and formed Agudat Yisrael as a bulwark against secularists, including Zionists. In Palestine, the Agudah sought complete separation from secularists, though one key leader, Rabbi Yosef Sonnenfeld, was amenable to limited cooperation with local Zionists.[18] In his essay Mauschel, Herzl called Jews who opposed his project "yids", and not true Jews. Among left-wing currents within diaspora Jewish communities, strong opposition emerged in such formations as the Bundism, Autonomism, Folkism, Jewish Communists, Territorialism, and Jewish-language anarchist movements. Yevsektsiya, the Jewish section of the Communist Party in the Soviet Union created to combat "Jewish bourgeois nationalism",[k] targeted the Zionist movement and managed to close down its offices and place Zionist literature under a ban,[19] but Soviet officials themselves often disapproved of anti-Zionist zeal.[20][21][22]Early Formal anti-Zionism arose in the late 19th century as a response to Theodor Herzl's proposal in The Jewish State (1896) to create an independent country in Palestine for Jews subject to persecution in the "civilized nations" of Europe,[10] but even before Herzl, the idea of Zionism – of Jews as constituting a nation rather than a people constituted by their religion – promoted by Moses Hess (1862) and Leo Pinsker (1882) elicited fierce opposition within European Orthodox Jewry. Samson Raphael Hirsch, for one, considered the active promotion of Jewish emigration to Palestine a sin.[11] The creation of a Jewish state before the appearance of the messiah was widely interpreted in Jewish religious circles as contradicting the divine will, a programme, furthermore, that was visibly driven by Jewish secularists. Until World War I, across Central Europe, Jewish religious leaders largely perceived the Zionist movement's aspirations for Jewish nationhood in a distant "New Judea" as a threat, in that it might encourage paradoxically the very antisemites, with their treatment of Jews in their midst as "aliens", whose fundamental rationale Zionism itself sought to undermine.[12]
When Herzl began to propound his proposal, many, including, secular Jews, regarded Zionism as a fanciful and unrealistic movement.[13] Some antisemites even dismissed it as a "Jewish trick".[c] Many assimilationist Jewish liberals, heirs of the Enlightenment, had argued that Jews should enjoy full equality in exchange for a pledge of loyalty to their respective nation-states.[14] Those liberal Jews who accepted integration and assimilationist principles saw Zionism as a threat to efforts to facilitate Jewish citizenship and equality within the European nation-state context.[15] Many in the intellectual elite of the Anglo-Jewish community, for example, opposed Zionism because they felt most at home in England, where, in their view, antisemitism was neither a social or cultural norm.[d][e] The Jewish establishment in Germany, France (and its Alliance Israelite Universelle),[f] and America strongly identified with its respective states, a sentiment that made it regard Zionism negatively.[g] Reform rabbis in German-speaking lands and Hungary advocated the erasure of all mentions of Zion in their prayer books.[16] Herzl's successor, the Zionist atheist Max Nordau, whose views on race coincided with those of the antisemitic Drumont,[h] lambasted Reform Judaism for emptying ancient Jewish prayers of their literal meaning in claiming that the Jewish diaspora was a fact of destiny.
Herzl's proposal initially met with broad, vigorous opposition within Jewish intellectual, social and political movements.[j] A notable exception was the religious Mizrachi movement.[17] After the Tenth Zionist Congress moved to expand in Palestine, many Orthodox Jews left the Mizrachi movement and formed Agudat Yisrael as a bulwark against secularists, including Zionists. In Palestine, the Agudah sought complete separation from secularists, though one key leader, Rabbi Yosef Sonnenfeld, was amenable to limited cooperation with local Zionists.[18] In his essay Mauschel, Herzl called Jews who opposed his project "yids", and not true Jews. Among left-wing currents within diaspora Jewish communities, strong opposition emerged in such formations as the Bundism, Autonomism, Folkism, Jewish Communists, Territorialism, and Jewish-language anarchist movements. Yevsektsiya, the Jewish section of the Communist Party in the Soviet Union created to combat "Jewish bourgeois nationalism",[k] targeted the Zionist movement and managed to close down its offices and place Zionist literature under a ban,[19] but Soviet officials themselves often disapproved of anti-Zionist zeal.[20][21][22]
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Post by Totheleft on Nov 20, 2024 11:27:08 GMT
It doesn’t for me doofus . its not my fault you cant open links
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Post by Vinny on Nov 20, 2024 11:28:04 GMT
The first Zionist was Moses. And he produced a covenant. Only those who kept the Ten Commandments were true Zionists. Those who murder, those who steal, are not true Zionists no matter what they want to call themselves.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 20, 2024 11:31:29 GMT
It doesn’t for me doofus . its not my fault you cant open links It’s not my fault that you are too lazy and thick to cut and paste the relevant information from the article and post a link that doesn’t work instead .
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