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Post by Bentley on Nov 18, 2024 20:32:41 GMT
And eventually they would get the message if they were not able to reach UK shores.. Have we got enough boats? What happens when there's a collision and some die? The UK should not be responsible for migrant misadventure . |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 18, 2024 20:35:47 GMT
And eventually they would get the message if they were not able to reach UK shores.. Have we got enough boats? What happens when there's a collision and some die? Well we seem to have enough to rescue the arseholes..
Then they would die zany. That would increase the deterrent..
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Post by jonksy on Nov 18, 2024 20:39:45 GMT
Have we got enough boats? What happens when there's a collision and some die? The UK should not be responsible for migrant misadventure . Exactly the onus would be on the French... |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 18, 2024 20:41:38 GMT
For Christs sake... the Irish government were of the opinion Rwanda was a deterrent and complained about the number of illegals crossing from Northern Ireland back into the EU. If Rwanda had been given a chance it would quite obviously have become even more of a deterrent. Starmer didn't scrap Rwanda because it was a bad idea, he scrapped it because it was a Tory idea. I mean look at what he's suggesting now, pouring cash into Uzbekistan Vietnam Iraq etc etc in an attempt to encourage those governments to stop immigrants leaving! Starmer is incompetent. Whatever stops them Red. You think pouring £millions, maybe hundreds of £millions of tax payers cash into corrupt regimes thousands of miles away will stop them? I tend to think you're wrong. We have given the French government many £millions to stop the illegal influx, yet still they come, 35,000 so far this year alone. Nothing will stop them, unless the kid gloves come off, and that's not going to happen with this weak minority appeasing government. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 18, 2024 20:44:48 GMT
The UK should not be responsible for migrant misadventure . Exactly the onus would be on the French... Imo the onus should be on the ones throwing themselves into the channel in dinghies . We just need to stand on the shore arresting them when they arrive . We should not be involved in rescuing them. Some lefties will say that the same should apply to yachts in distress . It will merely display their idiocy and need to virtue signal. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 18, 2024 20:45:48 GMT
Have we got enough boats? What happens when there's a collision and some die? The UK should not be responsible for migrant misadventure . No the UK isn't, but the sea farers involved are. They are obliged to rescue those in the water. Ooh look a flaw in your meticulous plan, the migrants upend their boats and get taken to blighty. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 18, 2024 20:49:12 GMT
The UK should not be responsible for migrant misadventure . No the UK isn't, but the sea farers involved are. They are obliged to rescue those in the water. Ooh look a flaw in your meticulous plan, the migrants upend their boats and get taken to blighty. They shouldn’t be . Migrants who upend their boats should be considered to be committing suicide . That should be respected. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 18, 2024 20:49:17 GMT
You think pouring £millions, maybe hundreds of £millions of tax payers cash into corrupt regimes thousands of miles away will stop them? I tend to think you're wrong. We have given the French government many £millions to stop the illegal influx, yet still they come, 35,000 so far this year alone. Nothing will stop them, unless the kid gloves come off, and that's not going to happen with this weak minority appeasing government. Exactly Red. The Uk in 2023 alone gave france 500 million quid to stop the the illegals leaving their shores..Micron has done fuck all to deter them leaving he has conned the UK.. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 18, 2024 20:49:59 GMT
Last April Irish Foreign Minister Micheál Martin launched a blistering attack on the British governments Rwanda plan, he said it was forcing migrants to flee the UK to Ireland, via Northern Ireland. Since Starmer scrapped the Rwanda plan, the flow of migrants crossing the Irish border, according to the Garda, has completely stopped. Anyone who says Rwanda was not a deterrent either has an agenda, or dont know what they're talking about. Deterrent from what? Being in the country - which implies a deterrent against doing things to be in the country This is like a conversation with an early AI |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 18, 2024 20:51:05 GMT
Exactly the onus would be on the French... Imo the onus should be on the ones throwing themselves into the channel in dinghies . We just need to stand on the shore arresting them when they arrive . We should not be involved in rescuing them. Some lefties will say that the same should apply to yachts in distress . It will merely display their idiocy and need to virtue signal. But if the french had kept there side of the bargain they shouldn't be able to leave france in small boats. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 18, 2024 20:51:27 GMT
Exactly the onus would be on the French... Imo the onus should be on the ones throwing themselves into the channel in dinghies . We just need to stand on the shore arresting them when they arrive . We should not be involved in rescuing them. Some lefties will say that the same should apply to yachts in distress . It will merely display their idiocy and need to virtue signal. When we get to the point where not letting people drown is virtue signalling I'll let you know. In the meantime. Lets make it clear to all economic migrants that if they arrive here via the channel they will never be given citizenship. They will be locked up and held until they are deported. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 18, 2024 20:53:06 GMT
You think pouring £millions, maybe hundreds of £millions of tax payers cash into corrupt regimes thousands of miles away will stop them? I tend to think you're wrong. We have given the French government many £millions to stop the illegal influx, yet still they come, 35,000 so far this year alone. Nothing will stop them, unless the kid gloves come off, and that's not going to happen with this weak minority appeasing government. Exactly Red. The Uk in 2023 alone gave france 500 million quid to stop the the illegals leaving their shores..Micron has done fuck all to deter them leaving he has conned the UK.. I just cant imagine how Starmer thinks handing £millions to corrupt regimes will somehow stop migrants leaving any country. It's baffling, what on earth does he think they're going to do? Maybe he thinks the government in Vietnam will build a wall around the country? |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 18, 2024 20:54:01 GMT
No the UK isn't, but the sea farers involved are. They are obliged to rescue those in the water. Ooh look a flaw in your meticulous plan, the migrants upend their boats and get taken to blighty. They shouldn’t be . Migrants who upend their boats should be considered to be committing suicide . That should be respected. Assuming you can prove that, perhaps they'll leave a suicide note.  |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 18, 2024 21:01:36 GMT
Imo the onus should be on the ones throwing themselves into the channel in dinghies . We just need to stand on the shore arresting them when they arrive . We should not be involved in rescuing them. Some lefties will say that the same should apply to yachts in distress . It will merely display their idiocy and need to virtue signal. When we get to the point where not letting people drown is virtue signalling I'll let you know. In the meantime. Let’s make it clear to all economic migrants that if they arrive here via the channel they will never be given citizenship. They will be locked up and held until they are deported. If they knew that they wouldn’t be rescued then they wouldn’t upend their boats would they ? Its leftie virtue signallers like you that are responsible for the deaths of migrants who risk their lives, not me . I would go further and fine any vessel landing migrants the same amount as vehicles bringing in illegal migrants by road . The rescuers can land the water logged migrants back to France . Yes illegal migrants wouldn’t want to pay criminals to traffick them into the UK knowing that they would never get UK citizenship. The illegal crossings would stop and we would be left with a residue of criminals who know just about anywhere would be better than where they are . |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 18, 2024 21:03:37 GMT
They shouldn’t be . Migrants who upend their boats should be considered to be committing suicide . That should be respected. Assuming you can prove that, perhaps they'll leave a suicide note. Throwing yourself into the sea knowing that you won’t be rescued is suicide by default . We can just stand by the shore . |
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