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Post by thomas on Nov 16, 2024 17:06:18 GMT
I have to disagree. What you are seeing now though( which in part explains labours loveless landslide) is pr style voting for Westminster , ie multi party voting , while the system is geared up for the stale two auld parties. So it will throw up more and more of these crazy results as things continue to break down. I would bet you anything you like if reform uk game the system in england like the snp did in scotland , and we see a reform uk government at Westminster , labour and tory will be running to change the uk voting system. Mark my words. I doubt Reform will win the next election, that would be unprecedented. Reform may however be in a position to be kingmakers/coalition with the Tories perhaps, and that wouldn't be such a bad thing. I mind them saying the snp would never win a majority of Scottish seats , or form the government in Holyrood. Voting habits are changing red , people all across the disunited kingdom are fed up with the red and blue tory muppets , so I would never say never. Being kingmakers in coalitions is effectively what pr systems produce. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 16, 2024 17:16:22 GMT
I doubt Reform will win the next election, that would be unprecedented. Reform may however be in a position to be kingmakers/coalition with the Tories perhaps, and that wouldn't be such a bad thing. I mind them saying the snp would never win a majority of Scottish seats , or form the government in Holyrood. Voting habits are changing red , people all across the disunited kingdom are fed up with the ted and blue tory muppets , so I would never say never. Being kingmakers in coalitions is effectively what pr systems produce. Not really, a coalition acts as a majority government. PR would or could produce a three or four way split which is why coalitions in Europe often find it so difficult to get business done because they cant agree on anything which is one of the reasons the EU are very keen on PR. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 16, 2024 17:21:20 GMT
I mind them saying the snp would never win a majority of Scottish seats , or form the government in Holyrood. Voting habits are changing red , people all across the disunited kingdom are fed up with the ted and blue tory muppets , so I would never say never. Being kingmakers in coalitions is effectively what pr systems produce. Not really, a coalition acts as a majority government. PR would or could produce a three or four way split which is why coalitions in Europe often find it so difficult to get business done because they cant agree on anything which is one of the reasons the EU are very keen on PR. red. We have pr for the Scottish parliament , and thats what pr does. It produces coalitions ( sometimes minority and majority government ) in a multi party system . Sometimes they work perfectly , other times they fall out and things get done on a case by case basis. I fail to see how that is worse than what we have n the uk just now , with labours loveless landslide. A party so despised by the majority 8/10 of the electorate didnt vote them , but they got two thirds of seats. Your seat allocation should always be comparable to your vote. I have a major problem with any party getting two thirds seat on a third of a low turnout. thats not democracy. Thats the opposite of it. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 16, 2024 17:29:18 GMT
red. We have pr for the Scottish parliament , and thats what pr does. It produces coalitions ( sometimes minority and majority government ) in a multi party system . Sometimes they work perfectly , other times they fall out and things get done on a case by case basis. I fail to see how that is worse than what we have n the uk just now , with labours loveless landslide. A party so despised by the majority 8/10 of the electorate didnt vote them , but they got two thirds of seats. Your seat allocation should always be comparable to your vote. I have a major problem with any party getting two thirds seat on a third of a low turnout. thats not democracy. Thats the opposite of it. I don't disagree with you, but there's something I just don't like about PR and btw before you say it, I know Reform UK are pro PR. Dear dilemma... |
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Post by thomas on Nov 17, 2024 9:26:51 GMT
red. We have pr for the Scottish parliament , and thats what pr does. It produces coalitions ( sometimes minority and majority government ) in a multi party system . Sometimes they work perfectly , other times they fall out and things get done on a case by case basis. I fail to see how that is worse than what we have n the uk just now , with labours loveless landslide. A party so despised by the majority 8/10 of the electorate didnt vote them , but they got two thirds of seats. Your seat allocation should always be comparable to your vote. I have a major problem with any party getting two thirds seat on a third of a low turnout. thats not democracy. Thats the opposite of it. I don't disagree with you, but there's something I just don't like about PR and btw before you say it, I know Reform UK are pro PR. Dear dilemma... thats fair enough , but I like to see parties get awarded a proportional amount of seats to their vote share. To me thats real democracy. In the uk , trying to force the voting public down a blin alleyway and asking them to choose between dumb and dumber is in my opinion anti democracy. |
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