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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 14, 2024 12:16:44 GMT
And who do you think is in prison? 'Far-right extremists' like Colin McNeil who ran a website which featured racist documents, images and videos glorifying Hitler, the Nazis and prominent Neo-Nazis, and which could have been accessed by people who were 'inclined towards terrorism'. He got seven years. Sounds like the exact kind of loon that should be in prison. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 14, 2024 12:25:37 GMT
'Far-right extremists' like Colin McNeil who ran a website which featured racist documents, images and videos glorifying Hitler, the Nazis and prominent Neo-Nazis, and which could have been accessed by people who were 'inclined towards terrorism'. He got seven years. Sounds like the exact kind of loon that should be in prison. Why? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 14, 2024 12:46:52 GMT
Sounds like the exact kind of loon that should be in prison. Why? Well, let's see:
"Colin McNeil
A man who operated two websites that spread far-right propaganda and encouraged terrorism has been jailed...
...One of the people who took inspiration from the material on the websites was 18-year-old Payton Gendron, who went on to murder 10 people in a mass shooting..."
Now I'm far from woke, but I draw the line at encouraging people to commit mass shootings.
Because that's a bit, well... Dangerous.
I know, call me a bluff old traditionalist, but there it is.
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 14, 2024 12:53:49 GMT
Well, let's see:
"Colin McNeil
A man who operated two websites that spread far-right propaganda and encouraged terrorism has been jailed...
...One of the people who took inspiration from the material on the websites was 18-year-old Payton Gendron, who went on to murder 10 people in a mass shooting..."
Now I'm far from woke, but I draw the line at encouraging people to commit mass shootings.
Because that's a bit, well... Dangerous.
I know, call me a bluff old traditionalist, but there it is.
Just how did this encouragement occur? Do you believe that any website or other public communication from which those inclined to terrorism might 'take inspiration' ought to be suppressed and its creators jailed? |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 14, 2024 13:01:02 GMT
Well, let's see:
"Colin McNeil
A man who operated two websites that spread far-right propaganda and encouraged terrorism has been jailed...
...One of the people who took inspiration from the material on the websites was 18-year-old Payton Gendron, who went on to murder 10 people in a mass shooting..."
Now I'm far from woke, but I draw the line at encouraging people to commit mass shootings.
Because that's a bit, well... Dangerous.
I know, call me a bluff old traditionalist, but there it is.
Just how did this encouragement occur? Do you believe that any website or other public communication from which those inclined to terrorism might 'take inspiration' ought to be suppressed and its creators jailed?Of course....FFS thanks to stasi starmer anyone can get banged up for calling a tit a tit on arsebook. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 14, 2024 13:08:40 GMT
Just how did this encouragement occur? I have no idea, I'm happy to leave that to the court who were clearly satisfied that it did. As, presumably, was Mr McNeil himself since he pleaded guilty to four offences of disseminating a terrorist publication. Do you believe that any website or other public communication from which those inclined to terrorism might 'take inspiration' ought to be suppressed and its creators jailed? Let me throw that back at you: Would you be happy if this had been a Jihadist site exhorting death to the infidels? But we're getting off-topic and the fact remains that the vast majority of prisoners are violent or repeat offenders and should not be released early. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 14, 2024 13:15:32 GMT
Let me throw that back at you: Would you be happy if this had been a Jihadist site exhorting death to the infidels? But we're getting off-topic and the fact remains that the vast majority of prisoners are violent or repeat offenders and should not be released early. There is nothing in the CPS account to suggest that Mr McNeil was exhorting death to anyone. And he was neither a violent nor a repeat offender.
Do you believe that the state is justified in imposing long prison sentences on anyone who expresses 'unfashionable' opinions?
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Post by jonksy on Nov 14, 2024 13:20:17 GMT
Let me throw that back at you: Would you be happy if this had been a Jihadist site exhorting death to the infidels? But we're getting off-topic and the fact remains that the vast majority of prisoners are violent or repeat offenders and should not be released early. There is nothing in the CPS account to suggest that Mr McNeil was exhorting death to anyone. And he was neither a violent nor a repeat offender.
Do you believe that the state is justified in imposing long prison sentences on anyone who expresses 'unfashionable' opinions?
Total bollocks Dan...
A man who operated two websites that spread far-right propaganda and encouraged terrorism has been jailed....
The websites also honoured men who committed racist mass killings, including Brenton Tarrant, who murdered 51 people in and around two mosques in Christchurch New Zealand in 2019.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 14, 2024 13:36:16 GMT
There is nothing in the CPS account to suggest that Mr McNeil was exhorting death to anyone. And he was neither a violent nor a repeat offender. I think Jonksy has already given the most appropriate reply to that!  But if you have a problem with the court's decision then perhaps write to your MP. Do you believe that the state is justified in imposing long prison sentences on anyone who expresses 'unfashionable' opinions? Don't be stupid, of course not. There's a world of difference between an 'unfashionable' opinion and encouraging terrorism. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 14, 2024 13:52:29 GMT
There is nothing in the CPS account to suggest that Mr McNeil was exhorting death to anyone. And he was neither a violent nor a repeat offender. I think Jonksy has already given the most appropriate reply to that! But if you have a problem with the court's decision then perhaps write to your MP. Do you believe that the state is justified in imposing long prison sentences on anyone who expresses 'unfashionable' opinions? Don't be stupid, of course not. There's a world of difference between an 'unfashionable' opinion and encouraging terrorism. Exactly mate here is another paragraph for the CPS websit that I linked too....
One of the people who took inspiration from the material on the websites was 18-year-old Payton Gendron, who went on to murder 10 people in a mass shooting at a grocery shop in Buffalo, USA, in 2022. Prosecution evidence was able to show his engagement with the websites through likes and comments on racist material hosted on them.
McNeil benefited financially from the websites, receiving donations from users, and also used the sites to express his own racist views.
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 14, 2024 13:53:35 GMT
As you are aware, or ought to be aware, the authorities now cast the net very wide when applying their definition of terrorism. One reason for that is, of course, the awkward truth that if the traditional, commonsense definition were applied, the only terrorists that would be snared would be Islamic fundamentalists. The definition and concept of terrorism has had to be broadened in the interest of 'community cohesion' and the multicultural project. If the benchmark for prosecution is to be distributing publications from which would-be terrorists could potentially 'take inspiration' then the manager of every Waterstones, WH Smiths and Amazon distribution centre in the country ought to be behind bars. They all stock publications which feature racist content, and images and videos glorifying Hitler and the Nazis.
How do we account for the fact that Mr McNeil has been convicted for encouraging terrorism, while Axel Rudakubana will not be?
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 14, 2024 18:27:21 GMT
Now jailed for posting videos on tiktok and calling asylum seekers 'tramps' - the justice system brings itself into disrepute every single day now.
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Post by jonksy on Nov 14, 2024 18:42:00 GMT
As you are aware, or ought to be aware, the authorities now cast the net very wide when applying their definition of terrorism. One reason for that is, of course, the awkward truth that if the traditional, commonsense definition were applied, the only terrorists that would be snared would be Islamic fundamentalists. The definition and concept of terrorism has had to be broadened in the interest of 'community cohesion' and the multicultural project. If the benchmark for prosecution is to be distributing publications from which would-be terrorists could potentially 'take inspiration' then the manager of every Waterstones, WH Smiths and Amazon distribution centre in the country ought to be behind bars. They all stock publications which feature racist content, and images and videos glorifying Hitler and the Nazis.
How do we account for the fact that Mr McNeil has been convicted for encouraging terrorism, while Axel Rudakubana will not be?
Maybe you should address that question to 2 tier keir Dan... |
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Post by Rebirth on Nov 14, 2024 21:14:12 GMT
Now jailed for posting videos on tiktok and calling asylum seekers 'tramps' - the justice system brings itself into disrepute every single day now. It clearly isn't a justice system. |
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