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Post by Rebirth on Nov 12, 2024 21:18:36 GMT
Why not? Starmer surrounds himself with people who smeared Trump without any provocation with Nazism. Hypocritical grovelling doesn't change that fact. While we have Starmer and his horde of twisted unprofessional morons surrounding him the country will suffer. The tariffs are not and cannot be Starmer's fault for the very simple reason that Trump was planning and talking about them long before Starmer was even elected, as links I posted earlier show. Trump has even said, "we will tariff the hell out of China" and he has mused about tariffs on China from 60% to 100%. His current favorite number for other imports is 20%. To give you an idea of what that might mean for British imports, let's look at a nice English product, Duerr's Fine Cut Seville marmalade which sells on Amazon.UK for £5.25 for 3 jars and can be delivered free of charge for Amazon Prime customers. An American Prime member will pay $20.99 for those 3 jars of marmalade plus a further $20.99 for shipping from the UK, for a total of $41.98. When tariffs kick in, three jars of marmalade that cost £5.25 in the UK will cost an American customer an additional 20%, for a total of $46.17, which at today's exchange rate is £38.79. Why would Americans buy such a product from the UK when local marmalade can be bought for a quarter of that price? I don't care about what 'might' happen. Starmer's Labour is already fucking the people over and only looking out for their Commmunist statist cult. I'd be more concerned if Trump was helping Labour instead of helping to set the stage for Labour's inevitable demise. |
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Post by Ripley on Nov 12, 2024 21:20:15 GMT
The tariffs are not and cannot be Starmer's fault for the very simple reason that Trump was planning and talking about them long before Starmer was even elected, as links I posted earlier show. Trump has even said, "we will tariff the hell out of China" and he has mused about tariffs on China from 60% to 100%. His current favorite number for other imports is 20%. To give you an idea of what that might mean for British imports, let's look at a nice English product, Duerr's Fine Cut Seville marmalade which sells on Amazon.UK for £5.25 for 3 jars and can be delivered free of charge for Amazon Prime customers. An American Prime member will pay $20.99 for those 3 jars of marmalade plus a further $20.99 for shipping from the UK, for a total of $41.98. When tariffs kick in, three jars of marmalade that cost £5.25 in the UK will cost an American customer an additional 20%, for a total of $46.17, which at today's exchange rate is £38.79. Why would Americans buy such a product from the UK when local marmalade can be bought for a quarter of that price? I don't care about what 'might' happen. Starmer's Labour is already fucking the people over and only looking out for their Commmunist statist cult. I'd be more concerned if Trump was helping Labour instead of helping to set the stage for Labour's inevitable demise. You don't think that Trump's tariffs will hurt British exports to the US? |
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Post by Rebirth on Nov 12, 2024 21:31:12 GMT
I don't care about what 'might' happen. Starmer's Labour is already fucking the people over and only looking out for their Commmunist statist cult. I'd be more concerned if Trump was helping Labour instead of helping to set the stage for Labour's inevitable demise. You don't think that Trump's tariffs will hurt British exports to the US? I think Starmer has surrounded himself with people who smeared Trump as a Nazi to gain support from all of the wrong people. The fact that these same odious cretins are now grovelling to Trump proves what sort of gutter trash is in prime roles within the British government. However, we are still at the what if and maybe stage, which is typical from the anti-Trump establishment media, so it probably won't happen. I blame the British government if it does happen.
The best guarantee is to vote Reform in the coming locals, because they are in good standing with Trump.
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Post by Ripley on Nov 12, 2024 21:36:53 GMT
You don't think that Trump's tariffs will hurt British exports to the US? I think Starmer has surrounded himself with people who smeared Trump as a Nazi to gain support from all of the wrong people. The fact that these same odious cretins are now grovelling to Trump proves what sort of gutter trash is in prime roles within the British government. However, we are still at the what if and maybe stage, which is typical from the anti-Trump establishment media, so it probably won't happen. I blame the British government if it does happen.
The best guarantee is to vote Reform in the coming locals, because they are in good standing with Trump.
The media is only quoting and capturing on videotape what Trump himself has said on numerous occasions about his plans, and as he has been saying those things for many months already, long prior to Starmer's election, and is still saying them now that he is president-elect, clearly it can't be the fault of the current British government when he enacts tariffs. Trump has intended to enact tariffs all along, and very likely will. The Republicans love tariffs. |
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Post by Rebirth on Nov 12, 2024 21:50:31 GMT
I think Starmer has surrounded himself with people who smeared Trump as a Nazi to gain support from all of the wrong people. The fact that these same odious cretins are now grovelling to Trump proves what sort of gutter trash is in prime roles within the British government. However, we are still at the what if and maybe stage, which is typical from the anti-Trump establishment media, so it probably won't happen. I blame the British government if it does happen.
The best guarantee is to vote Reform in the coming locals, because they are in good standing with Trump.
The media is only quoting and capturing on videotape what Trump himself has said on numerous occasions about his plans, and as he has been saying those things for many months already, long prior to Starmer's election, and is still saying them now that he is president-elect, clearly it can't be the fault of the current British government when he enacts tariffs. Trump has intended to enact tariffs all along, and very likely will. The Republicans love tariffs. I don't believe the media is in anyway impartial and has proven, once again, that the people have mostly given up on their propaganda. However, and I can only reiterate this, Starmer's Labour government needs to go and be replaced with those who haven't smeared Trump with Nazism and other shameless lies. This way the UK will have people who can at least negotiate with Trump and his party without looking like a pack of two-faced backstabbing incompetent creeps. It's the only option available if we want to establish a better trade deal with America. It isn't like we can just wave a magic wand and erase what Lammy said, even if this is what the rabid Left would like to do.
If Reform do well in the locals, or at the very least, Labour is crushed, then maybe Trump will loosen his grip on our balls.
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 12, 2024 22:08:26 GMT
The point is though, as Ripley pointed out, that the tariffs issue predates Labour and this would apply regardless of the UK election. I'm actually surprised at your post here, must admit.Don’t know why as I widened it beyond that and made it clear I had too. I appreciate that, but this thread was about Trumps tariffs. I'm aware of Starmer and Labour’s failings, and also of some criticism which is a little unfair, but here they are not to blame and Ripley was correct. When this was pointed out, I felt that rather than addressing the issue concerned, you were instead trying to divert to other failings. That was what surprised me, I would expect others on here to do that rather than yourself. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 12, 2024 22:32:16 GMT
Why not? Starmer surrounds himself with people who smeared Trump without any provocation with Nazism. Hypocritical grovelling doesn't change that fact. While we have Starmer and his horde of twisted unprofessional morons surrounding him the country will suffer. The tariffs are not and cannot be Starmer's fault for the very simple reason that Trump was planning and talking about them long before Starmer was even elected, as links I posted earlier show. Trump has even said, "we will tariff the hell out of China" and he has mused about tariffs on China from 60% to 100%. His current favorite number for other imports is 20%. To give you an idea of what that might mean for British imports, let's look at a nice English product, Duerr's Fine Cut Seville marmalade which sells on Amazon.UK for £5.25 for 3 jars and can be delivered free of charge for Amazon Prime customers. An American Prime member will pay $20.99 for those 3 jars of marmalade plus a further $20.99 for shipping from the UK, for a total of $41.98. When tariffs kick in, three jars of marmalade that cost £5.25 in the UK will cost an American customer an additional 20%, for a total of $46.17, which at today's exchange rate is £38.79. Why would Americans buy such a product from the UK when local marmalade can be bought for a quarter of that price? If someone is daft enough to be currently paying $41.98 for 3 jars of marmalade an extra 4 bucks is neither here nor there. I don't think any UK marmalade producer needs to worry about a collapse in their business. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 12, 2024 22:34:10 GMT
I think Starmer has surrounded himself with people who smeared Trump as a Nazi to gain support from all of the wrong people. The fact that these same odious cretins are now grovelling to Trump proves what sort of gutter trash is in prime roles within the British government. However, we are still at the what if and maybe stage, which is typical from the anti-Trump establishment media, so it probably won't happen. I blame the British government if it does happen. The best guarantee is to vote Reform in the coming locals, because they are in good standing with Trump. Very true, Starmer has indeed surrounded himself with Trump haters. I can only imagine the cries of anguish comming from number 10 when Trump won, ha. Yes the best guarantee is to vote Reform, but what you said about Reform being in good standing with Trump made me think... Imagine president Trump and prime minister Farage. I know it cant happen, but that would be a trans Atlantic relationship to beat even Reagan & Thatcher. |
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Post by wapentake on Nov 12, 2024 22:36:00 GMT
Don’t know why as I widened it beyond that and made it clear I had too. I appreciate that, but this thread was about Trumps tariffs. I'm aware of Starmer and Labour’s failings, and also of some criticism which is a little unfair, but here they are not to blame and Ripley was correct. When this was pointed out, I felt that rather than addressing the issue concerned, you were instead trying to divert to other failings. That was what surprised me, I would expect others on here to do that rather than yourself. Divert? No like any thread it expands you posted that telling the truth ruins the rants and what you call rants I asked if are they all confined to this one issue,clearly they’re not. I wanted to know what the truth is and is it confined to tariffs alone. Are you saying that the less than complimentary comments some bordering on incendiary toward a possible now confirmed president will have no effect on our relations with what is still the worlds no 1 power. Why would any of this surprise it is a political discussion forum,I could quite easily go through many threads on here where the topic widens and even you engage in that. |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 12, 2024 22:45:12 GMT
You think a left wing Trump hating Labour government will have no bearing on Trumps attitude towards the UK? Mmmm, I tend to think you're wrong. Trump will be very protectionist, he will use tariffs to bash anyone who doesn't play ball, including the UK, and he will scrap or ignore net zero. The Chagos Islands row is already in the pipeline. I'm not saying that a Trump hating UK government will have no bearing on Trump's general attitude toward the UK. I'm saying that he was spouting off about his tariff plans long before Starmer was even elected, and this fact is supported by the dates on the links I posted, which are not even the earliest mentions of tariff plans. Ergo, the proposed tariffs cannot be Starmer's fault. They were not conceived in reaction to anything that Starmer said or did. The UK government was going to have to deal with these tariffs regardless of who won the UK election. And I told you so prior to both elections. Trump was looking for a bilateral trade agreement with the UK and his tariffs were aimed mostly at China and the EU. The UK could have swerved the cross fire to one extent or another. That is, until this Labour government put the UK back into his line of sight. This Labour government have dropped a potential economic doozy on the UK with their student politics. There is no getting away from that. |
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Post by Ripley on Nov 12, 2024 22:50:34 GMT
The media is only quoting and capturing on videotape what Trump himself has said on numerous occasions about his plans, and as he has been saying those things for many months already, long prior to Starmer's election, and is still saying them now that he is president-elect, clearly it can't be the fault of the current British government when he enacts tariffs. Trump has intended to enact tariffs all along, and very likely will. The Republicans love tariffs. I don't believe the media is in anyway impartial and has proven, once again, that the people have mostly given up on their propaganda. However, and I can only reiterate this, Starmer's Labour government needs to go and be replaced with those who haven't smeared Trump with Nazism and other shameless lies. This way the UK will have people who can at least negotiate with Trump and his party without looking like a pack of two-faced backstabbing incompetent creeps. It's the only option available if we want to establish a better trade deal with America. It isn't like we can just wave a magic wand and erase what Lammy said, even if this is what the rabid Left would like to do.
If Reform do well in the locals, or at the very least, Labour is crushed, then maybe Trump will loosen his grip on our balls.
Oh, I think you underestimate Trump. He is used to dealing with all kinds of people who don't like him. He understands that his relationships are transactional and that precious few people actually like and admire him. Even his own vice-president-elect said of him in a 2016 text to a former roommate: "I go back and forth between thinking Trump is a cynical asshole like Nixon who wouldn’t be that bad (and might even prove useful) or that he’s America’s Hitler.” He may make a trade deal, but he'll make the other side squirm plenty first. He's small-minded like that. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 12, 2024 22:58:22 GMT
I appreciate that, but this thread was about Trumps tariffs. I'm aware of Starmer and Labour’s failings, and also of some criticism which is a little unfair, but here they are not to blame and Ripley was correct. When this was pointed out, I felt that rather than addressing the issue concerned, you were instead trying to divert to other failings. That was what surprised me, I would expect others on here to do that rather than yourself. Divert? No like any thread it expands you posted that telling the truth ruins the rants and what you call rants I asked if are they all confined to this one issue,clearly they’re not. I wanted to know what the truth is and is it confined to tariffs alone. Are you saying that the less than complimentary comments some bordering on incendiary toward a possible now confirmed president will have no effect on our relations with what is still the worlds no 1 power. Why would any of this surprise it is a political discussion forum,I could quite easily go through many threads on here where the topic widens and even you engage in that. No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that the issue of tariffs predates this government, what Trump wants to do Trump will do. I'm interested to see if he does go ahead with this how we respond. |
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Post by wapentake on Nov 13, 2024 14:36:22 GMT
Divert? No like any thread it expands you posted that telling the truth ruins the rants and what you call rants I asked if are they all confined to this one issue,clearly they’re not. I wanted to know what the truth is and is it confined to tariffs alone. Are you saying that the less than complimentary comments some bordering on incendiary toward a possible now confirmed president will have no effect on our relations with what is still the worlds no 1 power. Why would any of this surprise it is a political discussion forum,I could quite easily go through many threads on here where the topic widens and even you engage in that. No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that the issue of tariffs predates this government, what Trump wants to do Trump will do. I'm interested to see if he does go ahead with this how we respond. Despite anyone’s opinion on Trump he’s been elected fair and square and whatever the timeline on these tariffs you cannot escape that labours obvious hatred for the next leader of the free world does the people of this country no favours. No apologies and despite all the words that they are looking forward to working with him they to add insult to injury propose the master of the dark arts Mandelson be ambassador and what does he say “It’s a part time job” is this for real and can they do much more to wind Trump up? Starmer is daft dumb and stupid to behave like this link |
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 15, 2024 20:39:47 GMT
Why not? Starmer surrounds himself with people who smeared Trump without any provocation with Nazism. Hypocritical grovelling doesn't change that fact. While we have Starmer and his horde of twisted unprofessional morons surrounding him the country will suffer. The tariffs are not and cannot be Starmer's fault for the very simple reason that Trump was planning and talking about them long before Starmer was even elected, as links I posted earlier show. Trump has even said, "we will tariff the hell out of China" and he has mused about tariffs on China from 60% to 100%. His current favorite number for other imports is 20%. To give you an idea of what that might mean for British imports, let's look at a nice English product, Duerr's Fine Cut Seville marmalade which sells on Amazon.UK for £5.25 for 3 jars and can be delivered free of charge for Amazon Prime customers. An American Prime member will pay $20.99 for those 3 jars of marmalade plus a further $20.99 for shipping from the UK, for a total of $41.98. When tariffs kick in, three jars of marmalade that cost £5.25 in the UK will cost an American customer an additional 20%, for a total of $46.17, which at today's exchange rate is £38.79. Why would Americans buy such a product from the UK when local marmalade can be bought for a quarter of that price? Why would they pay that ?? Have Yiu ever tried the sickly shit the yanks call marmalade ? THATs why they'd pay it |
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