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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 10, 2024 0:51:07 GMT
Kevin Rees, 62, of Harcourt Avenue, Sidcup has been charged with using makeshift bomb to blow up a ULEZ cameraKevin Rees was arrested by counter-terror police after a low-sophistication improvised explosive device (IED) damaged the camera in Willersley Avenue, Sidcup, at about 6.45pm on December 6. He has been charged with causing an explosion likely to endanger life or cause serious injury to property, contrary to section 2 of the Explosive Substances Act 1883. metro.co.uk/2024/11/08/man-62-charged-using-makeshift-bomb-blow-ulez-camera-21957959/A few things jumped out at me when I read this news item. Firstly, even though no one was hurt and the device was described as unsophisticated he will definately get the book thrown at him, to act as a deterrent, life with a minimum twenty years should do nicely I mean, he is English. And he was charged under the Explosive Substances Act 1883. That was quite surprising, explosives however unsophisticated have moved on a lot since Queen Victoria was on the throne. Having said that, I'm not condoning blowing up ULEZ cameras, but why go to all that trouble? Once you start using improvised explosives, however unsophisticated, you're inviting the local constabulary to hand the case over to counter terror police, and that's a different ball game. There's an old acronym called KISS - 'Keep it simple stupid'. www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbIw3TTYlPo
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Post by jonksy on Nov 10, 2024 2:04:43 GMT
Kevin Rees, 62, of Harcourt Avenue, Sidcup has been charged with using makeshift bomb to blow up a ULEZ cameraKevin Rees was arrested by counter-terror police after a low-sophistication improvised explosive device (IED) damaged the camera in Willersley Avenue, Sidcup, at about 6.45pm on December 6. He has been charged with causing an explosion likely to endanger life or cause serious injury to property, contrary to section 2 of the Explosive Substances Act 1883. metro.co.uk/2024/11/08/man-62-charged-using-makeshift-bomb-blow-ulez-camera-21957959/A few things jumped out at me when I read this news item. Firstly, even though no one was hurt and the device was described as unsophisticated he will definately get the book thrown at him, to act as a deterrent, life with a minimum twenty years should do nicely I mean, he is English. And he was charged under the Explosive Substances Act 1883. That was quite surprising, explosives however unsophisticated have moved on a lot since Queen Victoria was on the throne. Having said that, I'm not condoning blowing up ULEZ cameras, but why go to all that trouble? Once you start using improvised explosives, however unsophisticated, you're inviting the local constabulary to hand the case over to counter terror police, and that's a different ball game. There's an old acronym called KISS - 'Keep it simple stupid'.www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbIw3TTYlPo A soweto necklace has taken out many speed cameras..
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 10, 2024 2:14:53 GMT
A soweto necklace has taken out many speed cameras.. Love this, Moby is pretty good too...
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Post by honestjohn on Nov 10, 2024 9:19:29 GMT
Was the "explosive device" a big firework, perchance?
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Post by sandypine on Nov 10, 2024 9:28:05 GMT
Kevin Rees, 62, of Harcourt Avenue, Sidcup has been charged with using makeshift bomb to blow up a ULEZ cameraKevin Rees was arrested by counter-terror police after a low-sophistication improvised explosive device (IED) damaged the camera in Willersley Avenue, Sidcup, at about 6.45pm on December 6. He has been charged with causing an explosion likely to endanger life or cause serious injury to property, contrary to section 2 of the Explosive Substances Act 1883. metro.co.uk/2024/11/08/man-62-charged-using-makeshift-bomb-blow-ulez-camera-21957959/A few things jumped out at me when I read this news item. Firstly, even though no one was hurt and the device was described as unsophisticated he will definately get the book thrown at him, to act as a deterrent, life with a minimum twenty years should do nicely I mean, he is English. And he was charged under the Explosive Substances Act 1883. That was quite surprising, explosives however unsophisticated have moved on a lot since Queen Victoria was on the throne. Having said that, I'm not condoning blowing up ULEZ cameras, but why go to all that trouble? Once you start using improvised explosives, however unsophisticated, you're inviting the local constabulary to hand the case over to counter terror police, and that's a different ball game. There's an old acronym called KISS - 'Keep it simple stupid'. www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbIw3TTYlPo It seems strange that counter terror police were involved when the cause explicitly is not to cause terror but to destroy the camera. It appears as though for Islamic terrorism or ethnic minority terrorism they move heaven and earth to avoid terror charges or involving counter terrorism police. For everyone else they come out at the drop of a hat including heckling Tony Blair at a Labour party conference.
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Post by Handyman on Nov 10, 2024 10:47:47 GMT
IMHO
It is standard procedure for Anti Terrorist Police to be deployed when an IED is suspected of being used as they have Explosive Experts attached to them to recover evidence at the scene and confirm an IED was used, the Anti Terrorist Police also have direct links to MI5 who are in overall charge of Terrorism within the UK.
IMO Terrorism has been ruled out that is why he has been charged under the Explosives Act 1861 which is still good today as it was when first introduced
" It makes it illegal to use (or conspire or intend to use) any explosive substance to cause an explosion likely to endanger life or cause serious injury to property, whether or not any explosion actually takes place.
A person guilty of an offence under this law is liable to life imprisonment. "
IMO He may even have also been charged with " Criminal Damage due to destruction of the ULEZ Camera and collateral damage to a couple of vehicles"
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Post by piglet on Nov 10, 2024 11:39:28 GMT
Full marks to that man for trying though. When you tot up driving fines, vat, parking, income tax, and all the other charges that span existence, there is a case for government wanting to destroy Britain.
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 10, 2024 16:54:26 GMT
It seems strange that counter terror police were involved when the cause explicitly is not to cause terror but to destroy the camera. It appears as though for Islamic terrorism or ethnic minority terrorism they move heaven and earth to avoid terror charges or involving counter terrorism police. For everyone else they come out at the drop of a hat including heckling Tony Blair at a Labour party conference. Good point. Murdering children in Southport was not an act of terrorism. However blowing up a ulez camera with a large firework is an act of terrorism. More evidence of a two tier justice system?
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Post by Handyman on Nov 10, 2024 18:07:51 GMT
It seems strange that counter terror police were involved when the cause explicitly is not to cause terror but to destroy the camera. It appears as though for Islamic terrorism or ethnic minority terrorism they move heaven and earth to avoid terror charges or involving counter terrorism police. For everyone else they come out at the drop of a hat including heckling Tony Blair at a Labour party conference. Good point. Murdering children in Southport was not an act of terrorism. However blowing up a ulez camera with a large firework is an act of terrorism. More evidence of a two tier justice system? He has not been charged with Terrorism , because there is no evidence to prove it was an act of Terrorism, he was charged under the appropriate Explosives Act as he is alleged to have made explosives to destroy a ULEZ Camera In order to prove an Offence under the Terrorism Act The following elements of the definition of terrorism need to be proved: there has been an actual or contemplated use or threat of action involving serious violence against a person, endangering a person’s life or creating a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public; the use or threat of action also involved the use of firearms or explosives; or if the use or threat of action did not involve the use of firearms or explosives then it is necessary to consider whether the use or threat of action was designed to influence the government or an international governmental organisation or to intimidate the public or a section of the public); and that the use or threat of action is made for the purpose of advancing a political, religious, racial or ideological cause. The actions of individuals who travel from the UK overseas to participate in fighting, may be caught by the provisions of section 1 of the Terrorism Act 2000. The man charged with the dreadful Murders in Southport and the Attempted Murders also had one charge under the Terrorism Act which was Possession and a Terrorist Manual which in itself is not an Act of Terror
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 10, 2024 20:50:22 GMT
H, when Axel Rudakubana murdered those little girls in Southport the police stressed they were not treating it as a terrorist incident, even though they found ricin and an Al-Qaeda training manual at his address. Indeed, even after he was charged with three counts of murder and ten counts of attempted murder the police still refused to describe it as a terrorist incident.
Yet when this chap Kevin Rees blew up a ulez camera with what is suspected to be a firework, he was arrested by counter terrorism police. Surely that would suggest the police were treating it as terrorism?
I would call that two tier policing.
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Post by piglet on Nov 11, 2024 11:04:34 GMT
The police now are an arm of the goveernment, a disturbing development. You would think an englishman would resist such, that the top policeman would refuse to tell lies. Not the case. My own perception of being english is that the english are not corruptable, now not the case.
Livelihoods are at stake, defy that phone call and your career is on skid row.
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Post by Handyman on Nov 11, 2024 11:34:34 GMT
The police now are an arm of the goveernment, a disturbing development. You would think an englishman would resist such, that the top policeman would refuse to tell lies. Not the case. My own perception of being english is that the english are not corruptable, now not the case. Livelihoods are at stake, defy that phone call and your career is on skid row. Nonsense the Police are an independent body, the Government of the day has no say in how they work or deal with anything
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Post by Handyman on Nov 11, 2024 12:39:35 GMT
H, when Axel Rudakubana murdered those little girls in Southport the police stressed they were not treating it as a terrorist incident, even though they found ricin and an Al-Qaeda training manual at his address. Indeed, even after he was charged with three counts of murder and ten counts of attempted murder the police still refused to describe it as a terrorist incident. Yet when this chap Kevin Rees blew up a ulez camera with what is suspected to be a firework, he was arrested by counter terrorism police. Surely that would suggest the police were treating it as terrorism? I would call that two tier policing. I have tried to explain what is classed in Law as an Act of Terrorism and what is not as laid down by Law, as I stated earlier the ULEZ Camera was destroyed by an Explosion hence the Terrorist Police were called in to investigate it, as they have Explosive Experts attached to them, you would not expect a Traffic Cop to investigate it To prove what was used to cause an explosion which was strong enough to blow the camera to bits and damage vehicles near to it, having secured that evidence and arrested the suspect and interviewed him as to why he did what he did he has now been charged they considered what he is alleged to have done did not constitute an act of Terrorism but was a Criminal Offence under the Explosive Act. IMHO that says to me his intention was to blow up the camera not people The suspect charged with the Murders in Southport and Attempted Murder of others children, was charged with one Offence of possession of a Terrorist Manual under the Terrorism Act, simply possession one is covered by that Act, but not an act of Terrorism in itself. He was charged with making Ricin , I don't think they found any but he obviously had made some, is that an act of Terrorism ? it appear not as they charged him under another serious Act of making it Tommy Robinson was stopped by Anti Terrorist Police and refused to give them his PIN number to his mobile phone bailed and later charged with refusing to give them his PIN an offence yes but not an act of Terrorism, but IMO the media made a big deal about it, he was charged with Terrorism LOB , the Offence he was charged with is usually dealt with at a Magistrates Court, and Magistrates don't deal with Terrorism I don't get this two tier Police at all there isn't , the Police do not decide what Charges are brought against anyone from low level Offences to Murder or Terrorism the CPS do and have done since 1980
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Post by sandypine on Nov 11, 2024 13:26:47 GMT
The police now are an arm of the goveernment, a disturbing development. You would think an englishman would resist such, that the top policeman would refuse to tell lies. Not the case. My own perception of being english is that the english are not corruptable, now not the case. Livelihoods are at stake, defy that phone call and your career is on skid row. Nonsense the Police are an independent body, the Government of the day has no say in how they work or deal with anything Yes it does through things like the equality act and through MacPherson. As a public body the police are bound by the Equality act and the police were obliged to take on board the MacPherson recommendations. Upholding the law is the police remit but recording non-crime hate incidents now falls into that category. The police now have values of supporting inclusion and diversity which are political ideals and not ensuring upholding of the law. It is strongly believed that political pressure was applied in the case of grooming gangs to not seek to prosecute in the name of community cohesion. The information being dribbled out as regards Southport also indicates at best political discussion has taken place.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 11, 2024 13:32:14 GMT
The police now are an arm of the goveernment, a disturbing development. You would think an englishman would resist such, that the top policeman would refuse to tell lies. Not the case. My own perception of being english is that the english are not corruptable, now not the case. Livelihoods are at stake, defy that phone call and your career is on skid row. Nonsense the Police are an independent body, the Government of the day has no say in how they work or deal with anything That simply isn't true: Plenty of policing policies are laid down by the home office. The Home Secretary appoints the commissioner. Crimes are recorded according to Home Office Counting Rules. etc. etc.
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