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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 9, 2022 15:14:09 GMT
I can't begin to describe what a difference this is going to make to the whole area,' says Mike Starkie, the Conservative Mayor of Copeland (which includes Whitehaven). More than 90% of the residents are fully supportive and we are looking at 500 direct jobs, not to mention another 1,500 in the supply chain. The news has been greeted with cross-party fury from Labour, the Lib Dems, the Greens and a considerable number of Tories too. Environmentalists are appalled. [lol no kidding] Their objections are met with a shrug on the streets of a town desperate for inward investment and regeneration. This will be quality coking coal for making steel. We are still going to need steel (not least to build all those wind turbines and electric cars). That means we are still going to need coking coal. So what is preferable? Producing (and exporting) our own? Or buying it off other countries who have to ship it halfway round the world? Faced with an energy crisis and a recession, this bit of Cumbria will argue that it's about time we stopped preaching and copied our allies. France has just torn up plans to cut coal production, for fear of Russia causing further energy mayhem. Germany has more than 60 coal power stations and America continues to make a fortune from exporting millions of tons of the stuff. So what sort of a message are they sending?  |
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Post by dappy on Dec 9, 2022 15:35:35 GMT
Anyone fancy a bet on whether this will ever get built. Feels very unlikely to me
Care to share where you get your local approval figures from Red?
One thing seems clear - even if it is it will be involved in producing almost zero steel in the UK. British Steel have confirmed they can’t use it due to its sulphur content and Tata may use small amounts if it was available today but by the time it gets built expect to have moved on and discontinued even that small usage.
Personally I think fracking is more likely to happen than this.
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 9, 2022 16:16:02 GMT
Lefty eco bedwetters may yet kick up a big enough fuss to stop it, an appeal in the high court is almost guaranteed. Who said British Steel wont use coking coal from Cumbria? and more to the point, when did they say it? Just a couple of days ago the government said British Steel would use it.
British Steel were until very recently importing Russian coking coal, eco mentalists didn't seem to mind that. British Steel are now looking to Australia, Canada 'and other markets' for supplies, eco mentalists don't seem to mind that either. Perhaps they think Australia and Canada mine 'green' coking coal - before loading it onto ships bound for the UK that burn 2,600 tonnes of diesel fuel an hour.
It's a mad mad world.
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Post by Vinny on Dec 9, 2022 16:27:45 GMT
Carbon capture machinery is now possible.
Fit that to steelworks and we're laughing.
It's insane to import Russian coal after everything Putin's done.
Hell, it was insane to shut down our coal mines before we had an alternative in place. The imports have a far higher carbon footprint and we're still using the stuff.
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Post by see2 on Dec 9, 2022 16:38:02 GMT
I can't begin to describe what a difference this is going to make to the whole area,' says Mike Starkie, the Conservative Mayor of Copeland (which includes Whitehaven). More than 90% of the residents are fully supportive and we are looking at 500 direct jobs, not to mention another 1,500 in the supply chain. The news has been greeted with cross-party fury from Labour, the Lib Dems, the Greens and a considerable number of Tories too. Environmentalists are appalled. [lol no kidding] Their objections are met with a shrug on the streets of a town desperate for inward investment and regeneration. This will be quality coking coal for making steel. We are still going to need steel (not least to build all those wind turbines and electric cars). That means we are still going to need coking coal. So what is preferable? Producing (and exporting) our own? Or buying it off other countries who have to ship it halfway round the world? Faced with an energy crisis and a recession, this bit of Cumbria will argue that it's about time we stopped preaching and copied our allies. France has just torn up plans to cut coal production, for fear of Russia causing further energy mayhem. Germany has more than 60 coal power stations and America continues to make a fortune from exporting millions of tons of the stuff. So what sort of a message are they sending? We do apparently need this coal for steel production. It's sad really but circumstances prevail and many people will benefit, at least in the short term, just what the long term affect will be is unknown. |
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Post by dappy on Dec 9, 2022 16:39:38 GMT
British steel said British Steel will not use this coal - its the wrong type apparently - too much Sulphur.
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 9, 2022 16:53:41 GMT
The tech to remove sulphur from power station & steel mill emissions has been around for years. By 2005/6 most if not all UK power stations had bolted on FGD (Flue gas desulphurisation) plants and all sorts of scrubbers and filters which reduced emissions by as much as 90% depending on the type of coal used.
Eco mentalists who say it's environmentally damaging to mine and burn British coal or coking coal, when the industry are currently planning to buy it from markets on the other side of the world, are insane. In fact, as far as eco mentalists are concerned I don't think it matters what the best option is, they just need a cause, they just need something to demonstrate about.
The government should bring back the SPG and massively increase their numbers to deal with these left wing anarchists.
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 9, 2022 16:55:04 GMT
British steel said British Steel will not use this coal - its the wrong type apparently - too much Sulphur. I ask again: Who said British Steel wont use coking coal from Cumbria? and more to the point, when did they say it? Just a couple of days ago the government said British Steel would use it. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 9, 2022 17:03:35 GMT
We do apparently need this coal for steel production. It's sad really but circumstances prevail and many people will benefit, at least in the short term, just what the long term affect will be is unknown. One thing is for sure, British Steel 'will' burn coal. Sadly for some reason eco mentalists think it's more environmentally friendly to burn Australian coal or Canadian coal, than British coal. They are ignorant left wing anarchists who should be forcefully stopped. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 9, 2022 17:28:23 GMT
British steel said British Steel will not use this coal - its the wrong type apparently - too much Sulphur. I ask again: Who said British Steel wont use coking coal from Cumbria? and more to the point, when did they say it? Just a couple of days ago the government said British Steel would use it. The jury will note - the defendant refuses to answer the question, again. |
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Post by dappy on Dec 9, 2022 18:00:31 GMT
FFS Red I can’t be there every moment to explain things to you. Tap your question into Google and there are no end of links that will explain this to you. British Steel have said they cannot use Cumbrian coal - it’s got too much sulphur. Who would know best do you think? Michael Gove or people who earn their living running the steel industry.
You are politically naive my friend. Only a few weeks ago you were convinced that fracking was now an inevitability. Wiser heads told you that it was just political posturing but you took that posturing as read. Not for the first time you made yourself look pretty silly. If you want to believe that it is now only a matter of time before Cumbrian coal feeds British Steel furnaces, then believe it. It is harmless I suppose. But you are doomed to disappointment. Effectively this proposal is the modern day equivalent of building a Betamax factory. There isn’t the commercial case, the financing or enough political support to do so. This is just posturing from a Government that knows it will never happen but wants to be seen to be delivering something anything in its so called levelling up agenda and conning the gullible to vote for them. It will be cancelled long before spades hit the ground but Gove hopes not by the Government or at least not until after the next election. All part of the game. You don’t have to fall for it though.
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Post by sandypine on Dec 9, 2022 18:25:35 GMT
FFS Red I can’t be there every moment to explain things to you. Tap your question into Google and there are no end of links that will explain this to you. British Steel have said they cannot use Cumbrian coal - it’s got too much sulphur. Who would know best do you think? Michael Gove or people who earn their living running the steel industry. You are politically naive my friend. Only a few weeks ago you were convinced that fracking was now an inevitability. Wiser heads told you that it was just political posturing but you took that posturing as read. Not for the first time you made yourself look pretty silly. If you want to believe that it is now only a matter of time before Cumbrian coal feeds British Steel furnaces, then believe it. It is harmless I suppose. But you are doomed to disappointment. Effectively this proposal is the modern day equivalent of building a Betamax factory. There isn’t the commercial case, the financing or enough political support to do so. This is just posturing from a Government that knows it will never happen but wants to be seen to be delivering something anything in its so called levelling up agenda and conning the gullible to vote for them. It will be cancelled long before spades hit the ground but Gove hopes not by the Government or at least not until after the next election. All part of the game. You don’t have to fall for it though. According to the BBC approx 10% of teh mine's output will be used in the UK with the rest going to export and by the mid 2030s none used in teh UK. people still want coal why should we not produce it if we have it and we do? I do not see the problem. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 9, 2022 18:28:18 GMT
FFS Red I can’t be there every moment to explain things to you. Tap your question into Google and there are no end of links that will explain this to you. British Steel have said they cannot use Cumbrian coal - it’s got too much sulphur. Who would know best do you think? Michael Gove or people who earn their living running the steel industry. You are politically naive my friend. Only a few weeks ago you were convinced that fracking was now an inevitability. Wiser heads told you that it was just political posturing but you took that posturing as read. Not for the first time you made yourself look pretty silly. If you want to believe that it is now only a matter of time before Cumbrian coal feeds British Steel furnaces, then believe it. It is harmless I suppose. But you are doomed to disappointment. Effectively this proposal is the modern day equivalent of building a Betamax factory. There isn’t the commercial case, the financing or enough political support to do so. This is just posturing from a Government that knows it will never happen but wants to be seen to be delivering something anything in its so called levelling up agenda and conning the gullible to vote for them. It will be cancelled long before spades hit the ground but Gove hopes not by the Government or at least not until after the next election. All part of the game. You don’t have to fall for it though. You're doing what you always do when you know you're wrong. Dappy, you're prevaricating you're waffling. There are indeed several links that suggest British Steel have said they wont use coking coal from Cumbria. But none of those links are recent, are they? I can find links from February, March and May, so the most recent is eight months old. Yet less that 24 hours ago Michael Gove said that British Steel would use coking coal from Cumbria. Have you got anything from British Steel that is more recent that Gove's statement? |
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Post by dappy on Dec 9, 2022 18:46:17 GMT
Mate if you want to believe that Michael Gove knows British Steel’s technical specification requirements better than British Steel, go for it.
Which do you think will happen first - the first fracked gas sold commercially or the first tonne of coal from this mine sold to British Gas. Maybe split your life savings three ways and invest in the fracking company the mining company and a bridge I have for sale.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 9, 2022 22:42:21 GMT
Given the level of opposition to this decision (from across the political spectrum) it appears that dappy's opinion that it will never happen is not widely shared..  |
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