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Post by piglet on Oct 28, 2024 11:26:58 GMT
Strangely as an instictive conservative, i have some sympathy with Reeves, but our motivations are different. I would hammer all with increased taxes,because we are multi trillions in debt, which may not be pay offable. Where we part ways is that the pain that would bring would mean never getting into debt again, only morons do that.
Reeves wil squander such on nonsense, as she is now. And the pain increased taxes would bring must teach all that rational management of money is paramount, learn the lesson, which of course wont be.
The tories bankrupting thee country over and over, is not Tory like, it shows that the Tories are run by the left, they havent a clue. We are run by kids, Labour and there fourth form politics, the Tories trying to bribe the electorate last time. Surely we are done, kids will be re-elected of whatever colour.
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 28, 2024 14:33:23 GMT
Starmer has top billing on the BBC website promising a budget of tax increases to avoid austerity
What planet is this wanker on
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Post by Bentley on Oct 28, 2024 15:07:41 GMT
Tax and spend . Find more things to spend on then borrow more and spend. You know it makes sense .
We have a lot of net zero buffoonery to pay for and our friends in the commonwealth will want wedging out soon .
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Post by andrewbrown on Oct 28, 2024 15:14:16 GMT
Starmer has top billing on the BBC website promising a budget of tax increases to avoid austerity What planet is this wanker on People rejected austerity. Even the Tories disowned it after a while when they realised it wasn't working. No-one is going to advocate austerity for the foreseeable future, so as the Labour manifesto was to fix public services, tax rises were inevitable. They did box themselves into a corner with the promise not to increase NI, IT or VAT,but I think that other tax rises were on the horizon before the election, even if they didn't want to talk about them (in the same way that the Tories couldn't talk about hmcontinuing to reduce NI, as they'd been told it wasn't affordable). I suspect that we've already gotten most of the "bad news" from this budget already, and what's left to announce on the day will be the "good news". |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 28, 2024 15:25:14 GMT
Austerity works best during a boom.
Unfortunately during the 2000's we had bloody Labour and they borrowed their way into deep shit.
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Post by Bentley on Oct 28, 2024 15:30:30 GMT
Starmer has top billing on the BBC website promising a budget of tax increases to avoid austerity What planet is this wanker on People rejected austerity. Even the Tories disowned it after a while when they realised it wasn't working. No-one is going to advocate austerity for the foreseeable future, so as the Labour manifesto was to fix public services, tax rises were inevitable. They did box themselves into a corner with the promise not to increase NI, IT or VAT,but I think that other tax rises were on the horizon before the election, even if they didn't want to talk about them (in the same way that the Tories couldn't talk about hmcontinuing to reduce NI, as they'd been told it wasn't affordable). I suspect that we've already gotten most of the "bad news" from this budget already, and what's left to announce on the day will be the "good news". Hopefully that’s true . |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 28, 2024 15:32:12 GMT
People rejected austerity. Even the Tories disowned it after a while when they realised it wasn't working. No-one is going to advocate austerity for the foreseeable future, so as the Labour manifesto was to fix public services, tax rises were inevitable. They did box themselves into a corner with the promise not to increase NI, IT or VAT,but I think that other tax rises were on the horizon before the election, even if they didn't want to talk about them (in the same way that the Tories couldn't talk about hmcontinuing to reduce NI, as they'd been told it wasn't affordable). I suspect that we've already gotten most of the "bad news" from this budget already, and what's left to announce on the day will be the "good news". LOL, ever the optimist eh. I'll tell you something, this budget will go down as the biggest kick in the teeth for ordinary working people in decades. Starmer and Reeves will shaft everyone, working people pensioners and the wealthy. And they will look oh so sincere as they look into the camera and tell us it's for the good of the country, and behind closed doors they will say fuck em we've got five years. And while they're shafting us, they're paying £15 million a day, every day, for illegals to stay in hotels before they're fast tracked to the front of the housing queue. This government will prove to be a massive advert for Reform UK. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 28, 2024 15:51:14 GMT
People rejected austerity. Even the Tories disowned it after a while when they realised it wasn't working. No-one is going to advocate austerity for the foreseeable future, so as the Labour manifesto was to fix public services, tax rises were inevitable. They did box themselves into a corner with the promise not to increase NI, IT or VAT,but I think that other tax rises were on the horizon before the election, even if they didn't want to talk about them (in the same way that the Tories couldn't talk about hmcontinuing to reduce NI, as they'd been told it wasn't affordable). I suspect that we've already gotten most of the "bad news" from this budget already, and what's left to announce on the day will be the "good news". LOL, ever the optimist eh. I'll tell you something, this budget will go down as the biggest kick in the teeth for ordinary working people in decades. Starmer and Reeves will shaft everyone, working people pensioners and the wealthy. And they will look oh so sincere as they look into the camera and tell us it's for the good of the country, and behind closed doors they will say fuck em we've got five years. And while they're shafting us, they're paying £15 million a day, every day, for illegals to stay in hotels before they're fast tracked to the front of the housing queue. This government will prove to be a massive advert for Reform UK. The adults among the electorate can see the issues but the Westminster Party has demonstrated a marked reluctance to deal with them. Hence the electorate's increasing withdrawal from democratic participation. We are spending beyond our means and it needs to stop. Over taxing everyone so that we can continue is madness. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 28, 2024 16:01:57 GMT
The adults among the electorate can see the issues but the Westminster Party has demonstrated a marked reluctance to deal with them. Hence the electorate's increasing withdrawal from democratic participation. We are spending beyond our means and it needs to stop. Over taxing everyone so that we can continue is madness. The plan seems to be to tax us into prosperity, and no one should be surprised. It's what Labour governments do. You wait for Wednesday, after the budget Labour voters on the forum will only be conspicuous by their absence. If they have any shame they'll be too embarrassed to show up. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 28, 2024 16:14:44 GMT
The mantra will be ‘ Toriesdidit’.
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 28, 2024 16:20:09 GMT
The mantra will be ‘ Toriesdidit’. Yes, just like the Tories forced them to take freebies and cut winter fuel allowance for pensioners, oh not forgetting it's the Tories fault Amesbury floored one of his constituents, those damn Tories have a lot to answer for. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 28, 2024 16:32:08 GMT
The mantra will be ‘ Toriesdidit’. Or "Thatch". |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 28, 2024 16:40:06 GMT
The mantra will be ‘ Toriesdidit’. Or "Thatch". I havent heard a lefty blame Thatcher for a couple of days now, surely she's due for another airing... See2, Andrew raise your game chaps... |
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Post by wapentake on Oct 28, 2024 16:42:10 GMT
Starmer has top billing on the BBC website promising a budget of tax increases to avoid austerity What planet is this wanker on People rejected austerity. Even the Tories disowned it after a while when they realised it wasn't working. No-one is going to advocate austerity for the foreseeable future, so as the Labour manifesto was to fix public services, tax rises were inevitable. They did box themselves into a corner with the promise not to increase NI, IT or VAT,but I think that other tax rises were on the horizon before the election, even if they didn't want to talk about them (in the same way that the Tories couldn't talk about hmcontinuing to reduce NI, as they'd been told it wasn't affordable). I suspect that we've already gotten most of the "bad news" from this budget already, and what's left to announce on the day will be the "good news". The only possible good news is that Steamer resigns. LOL, ever the optimist eh. I'll tell you something, this budget will go down as the biggest kick in the teeth for ordinary working people in decades. Starmer and Reeves will shaft everyone, working people pensioners and the wealthy. And they will look oh so sincere as they look into the camera and tell us it's for the good of the country, and behind closed doors they will say fuck em we've got five years. And while they're shafting us, they're paying £15 million a day, every day, for illegals to stay in hotels before they're fast tracked to the front of the housing queue. This government will prove to be a massive advert for Reform UK. The adults among the electorate can see the issues but the Westminster Party has demonstrated a marked reluctance to deal with them. Hence the electorate's increasing withdrawal from democratic participation. We are spending beyond our means and it needs to stop. Over taxing everyone so that we can continue is madness. Nail,head,hit …we are still in the position of continuity Westminster farce party of little choice. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 28, 2024 16:45:53 GMT
Ref the budget... Speaker rebukes Chancellor Rachel Reeves over ‘premature disclosure’ of BudgetSir Lindsay Hoyle has accused Chancellor Rachel Reeves of acting with “supreme discourtesy” towards MPs given her “premature disclosure” of Budget details. The Commons Speaker said it was “totally unacceptable to go around the world telling everybody” about “major” new policy announcements rather than giving the information first to MPs. Sir Lindsay also questioned whether MPs would need to bother attending the House to hear Ms Reeves deliver her first Budget on Wednesday, given “we’ll all have heard it” already. www.kentonline.co.uk/news/national/hoyle-rebukes-chancellor-rachel-reeves-over-premature-disclosure-of-budget-131021/Just watched a clip on GB News, and Sir Lindsay Hoyle was absolutely fuming. He is not a happy speaker. |
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