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Post by zanygame on Nov 20, 2024 11:59:26 GMT
Always. Have you ever asked someone who's not a petrolhead luddite youtuber? That's me. I'm neither a petrolhead nor luddite. The accusation of ludditism is a bit rich here So where have you heard that modern EV owners still have range anxiety. I know a dozen now who all say a 250 mile range leaves them never thinking about running out. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 20, 2024 12:02:47 GMT
I think they must look at the numbers better than you do. Deaths from climate change added into the mix as well. But as neither of us can do the maths, I'll leave it there. You are still ignoring the point. Deaths from climate change are not considered when making 20mph zones, all that is considered is safety of children. Emissions zoom up with lower speeds so that is not considered either. All the research on 20 mph zones references safety and decrease in accidents. Emissions are not considered yet they must increase in the 20 zones. Safety in the here and now trumps climate change. Not with EVs, it is a clear risk that accidents involving pedestrians will increase with EVs as the research I linked to earlier concludes. Yet they are being forced on us by legislation and now you want saving the planet to be considered when it has been ignored for years as safety topped the bill. You seem happy to jettison safety tomorrow to follow your dream of safety for all in 20,30, 40 years hence. My point is that that is not the normal way transport safety legislation has worked and EVs are at the forefront of safety taking second place to climate change protection. And to be honest it is not even climate change protection it is to show others how it should be done whilst they nod sagely and chortle up their sleeve. How do you know that? The extra emission in changing from 30 to 20 are nominal, is the life saving also nominal. I suspect that no thought beyond "It must be safer" has gone into putting 20 everywhere, but that's a different thread. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 20, 2024 12:05:43 GMT
That's me. I'm neither a petrolhead nor luddite. The accusation of ludditism is a bit rich here So where have you heard that modern EV owners still have range anxiety. I know a dozen now who all say a 250 mile range leaves them never thinking about running out. If you only drive 50 miles a week then range of 100 miles is fine . You are , once again’ pulling out a strawman . The problem is when one wants to go beyond the EVs range and the anxiety is caused by the lack of available charging points . Why hasn’t that penny dropped yet? |
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Post by Orac on Nov 20, 2024 12:11:27 GMT
So where have you heard that modern EV owners still have range anxiety. I know a dozen now who all say a 250 mile range leaves them never thinking about running out. The problem is when one wants to go beyond the EVs range and the anxiety is caused by the lack of available charging points . That in combination with the fact that it takes a while to charge - Ie one person 'in front you' might mean an hour's wait. The multiple inconvenience factors should be multiplied by each other, rather than added |
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Post by Rebirth on Nov 20, 2024 12:26:17 GMT
So where have you heard that modern EV owners still have range anxiety. I know a dozen now who all say a 250 mile range leaves them never thinking about running out. If you only drive 50 miles a week then range of 100 miles is fine . You are , once again’ pulling out a strawman . The problem is when one wants to go beyond the EVs range and the anxiety is caused by the lack of available charging points . Why hasn’t that penny dropped yet? If you ask something that isn't within the database you get drivel in return. Keep in mind that this isn't a scientific discussion and is literally just pulling it all from pro-EV sites. Basically, you have challenged the priest with those annoying smart arse questions.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 20, 2024 13:12:49 GMT
Flying cars are not a new thing, you know, people have been dreaming about them for years.
Why does your mind go all childish when you can't rationally discuss this emerging form of transport.
This country is an embarrassment. It will never invent anything ever again if it carries on with the mentality of children. It's the same kind of childish mind you get in the comment's section of British tabloid press.
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Post by Orac on Nov 20, 2024 13:37:46 GMT
The notion is so solidly founded, I think even Tomorrows World made some predictions back in the eighties.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 20, 2024 14:30:30 GMT
The notion is so solidly founded, I think even Tomorrows World made some predictions back in the eighties. You are 40 years in the past, not where you want to be, which is 20 years ahead. China plans long-term and that is why the European car industry is about to die.
You realise air travel will be safer. Roads have all sorts of obstructions and hazards, like ice for example. Why would you take your car if you could fly? Just dial in the coordinates you wish to fly to and sit back and enjoy the ride. You will never get a traffic jam in the sky. As for developing countries without roads, well why bother building them? For long distances the trains of the future will go at 300-400mph. You can use an EVtol to get to the station. In fact you get an EVtol taxi, so there is no need to park.
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Post by besoeker3 on Nov 20, 2024 14:38:56 GMT
The notion is so solidly founded, I think even Tomorrows World made some predictions back in the eighties. You are 40 years in the past, not where you want to be, which is 20 years ahead. China plans long-term and that is why the European car industry is about to die.
You realise air travel will be safer. Roads have all sorts of obstructions and hazards, like ice for example. Why would you take your car if you could fly? Just dial in the coordinates you wish to fly to and sit back and enjoy the ride. You will never get a traffic jam in the sky. As for developing countries without roads, well why bother building them? For long distances the trains of the future will go at 300-400mph. You can use an EVtol to get to the station. In fact you get an EVtol taxi, so there is no need to park.
Why don't you just go to live in China if it is to great? |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 20, 2024 19:03:09 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20626dy9d6oFord has announced it will cut 800 jobs in the UK over the next three years. The move is part of a major restructuring programme, which will see 4,000 posts closed across Europe as a whole. The company said it had to act because of difficult trading conditions, including intense competition and weak demand for electric vehithe government is coming under intense pressure from the car industry over rules designed to force them to build more electric vehicles. The issue is due to be discussed at a meeting between industry and ministers on Wednesday afternoon. Under the so-called Zero Emission Vehicle (ZEV) Mandate, which came into force this year, at least 22% of cars sold must be classed as zero emission. If manufacturers fail to hit their quotas, they could face fines of up to £15,000 per car.
Among the issues they face are high energy costs, weaker than expected demand for electric cars and growing competition from Chinese manufacturers.Some are calling for the government to water down the quotas, in order to give them more time.
Others say it needs to offer greater taxpayer-funded incentives for electric cars, and to do more to reassure car buyers that enough charging infrastructure will be built.But according to Vicky Read, chief executive of charging firm Charge UK a weakening of the mandate would be the wrong move. " The government must hold its nerve and use the meeting to signal support for a policy that is evidently working," she said.FFS..
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 20, 2024 21:23:13 GMT
The notion is so solidly founded, I think even Tomorrows World made some predictions back in the eighties. You are 40 years in the past, not where you want to be, which is 20 years ahead. China plans long-term and that is why the European car industry is about to die.
You realise air travel will be safer. Roads have all sorts of obstructions and hazards, like ice for example. Why would you take your car if you could fly? Just dial in the coordinates you wish to fly to and sit back and enjoy the ride. You will never get a traffic jam in the sky. As for developing countries without roads, well why bother building them? For long distances the trains of the future will go at 300-400mph. You can use an EVtol to get to the station. In fact you get an EVtol taxi, so there is no need to park.
One thing you won't be able to do is fly your car or or take an air-taxi to Heathrow, or indeed any other commercial airport in the country. In such cases controlled airspace extends down to 0.0 meters, VFR traffic is not permitted and ATC permission is needed for any and all incursions. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 20, 2024 21:28:13 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20626dy9d6oFord has announced it will cut 800 jobs in the UK over the next three years. The move is part of a major restructuring programme, which will see 4,000 posts closed across Europe as a whole. The company said it had to act because of difficult trading conditions, including intense competition and weak demand for electric vehithe government is coming under intense pressure from the car industry over rules designed to force them to build more electric vehicles. The issue is due to be discussed at a meeting between industry and ministers on Wednesday afternoon. Under the so-called Zero Emission Vehicle (ZEV) Mandate, which came into force this year, at least 22% of cars sold must be classed as zero emission. If manufacturers fail to hit their quotas, they could face fines of up to £15,000 per car.
Among the issues they face are high energy costs, weaker than expected demand for electric cars and growing competition from Chinese manufacturers.Some are calling for the government to water down the quotas, in order to give them more time.
Others say it needs to offer greater taxpayer-funded incentives for electric cars, and to do more to reassure car buyers that enough charging infrastructure will be built.But according to Vicky Read, chief executive of charging firm Charge UK a weakening of the mandate would be the wrong move. " The government must hold its nerve and use the meeting to signal support for a policy that is evidently working," she said.FFS.. It's not just Ford either. Volkswagen, BMW, Audi, Jaguar and Nissan are all in trouble.
This is why we need to be friends with the Chinese for any hope of cars continuing to be built in the UK. That's just pure pragmatism. Ideologues will eventually starve.
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Post by Orac on Nov 20, 2024 21:33:18 GMT
You are 40 years in the past, not where you want to be, which is 20 years ahead. China plans long-term and that is why the European car industry is about to die.
You realise air travel will be safer. Roads have all sorts of obstructions and hazards, like ice for example. Why would you take your car if you could fly? Just dial in the coordinates you wish to fly to and sit back and enjoy the ride. You will never get a traffic jam in the sky. As for developing countries without roads, well why bother building them? For long distances the trains of the future will go at 300-400mph. You can use an EVtol to get to the station. In fact you get an EVtol taxi, so there is no need to park.
One thing you won't be able to do is fly your car or or take an air-taxi to Heathrow, or indeed any other commercial airport in the country. In such cases controlled airspace extends down to 0.0 meters, VFR traffic is not permitted and ATC permission is needed for any and all incursions. After a dozen or so commercial airline disasters caused by collisions with flying cars, the pencil pushers in Whitehall are bound to restrict things down a bit |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 20, 2024 21:35:41 GMT
You are 40 years in the past, not where you want to be, which is 20 years ahead. China plans long-term and that is why the European car industry is about to die.
You realise air travel will be safer. Roads have all sorts of obstructions and hazards, like ice for example. Why would you take your car if you could fly? Just dial in the coordinates you wish to fly to and sit back and enjoy the ride. You will never get a traffic jam in the sky. As for developing countries without roads, well why bother building them? For long distances the trains of the future will go at 300-400mph. You can use an EVtol to get to the station. In fact you get an EVtol taxi, so there is no need to park.
One thing you won't be able to do is fly your car or or take an air-taxi to Heathrow, or indeed any other commercial airport in the country. In such cases controlled airspace extends down to 0.0 meters, VFR traffic is not permitted and ATC permission is needed for any and all incursions. Well Heathrow is ridiculously overcrowded. I'm not thinking about Heathrow though. I'm thinking about transport in general. Roads are such a primitive thing. Surely the UK could put its aerospace technology to good use and work with China to built the future transport systems. The EV market has already been won. We were too late. You can't play catch up in these games. You have to be first to market. We as a nation do not have the resources to fund such a thing. We would be better off being a partner and doing a part of it, like we did with Airbus. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 20, 2024 21:36:20 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20626dy9d6oFord has announced it will cut 800 jobs in the UK over the next three years. The move is part of a major restructuring programme, which will see 4,000 posts closed across Europe as a whole. The company said it had to act because of difficult trading conditions, including intense competition and weak demand for electric vehithe government is coming under intense pressure from the car industry over rules designed to force them to build more electric vehicles. The issue is due to be discussed at a meeting between industry and ministers on Wednesday afternoon. Under the so-called Zero Emission Vehicle (ZEV) Mandate, which came into force this year, at least 22% of cars sold must be classed as zero emission. If manufacturers fail to hit their quotas, they could face fines of up to £15,000 per car.
Among the issues they face are high energy costs, weaker than expected demand for electric cars and growing competition from Chinese manufacturers.Some are calling for the government to water down the quotas, in order to give them more time.
Others say it needs to offer greater taxpayer-funded incentives for electric cars, and to do more to reassure car buyers that enough charging infrastructure will be built.But according to Vicky Read, chief executive of charging firm Charge UK a weakening of the mandate would be the wrong move. " The government must hold its nerve and use the meeting to signal support for a policy that is evidently working," she said.FFS.. It's not just Ford either. Volkswagen, BMW, Audi, Jaguar and Nissan are all in trouble.
This is why we need to be friends with the Chinese for any hope of cars continuing to be built in the UK. That's just pure pragmatism. Ideologues will eventually starve.
It's industrial sabotage on a gigantic scale. People like you you should probably be charged with treason |
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