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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 2, 2024 13:17:30 GMT
I beg to differ. You've already resorted to lying about what I said in order to make your "Point" and you've yet to tell us about your relevant experience that enables you to come to the conclusions that you do. I haven't lied , and you re-accusing me of lying doesn't make your false accusation a fact . I quoted the exact post where you explained that you said ''eff it , ''endured'' a pay freeze and sat in post for 10 years to get your good pension'' instead of seeking more remunerative employment elsewhere if you were not satisfied where you were... And you're lying again: Where did I say I was unsatisfied? That's right - I didn't. ...I'm not the one simply saying ''I'm a public sector supervisor ( now retired but gone back p/t) involved in ''infrastructure'' and I think I work hard enough so my opinion is gospel and how dare anyone disagree with me '' Damn right that's what I'm saying. I have long since learned that lived experience trumps everything else. When I'm witnessing something every day, no amount of people claiming the exact opposite is going to convince me. Because I can quite clearly see that they're wrong. For the record, I've never said that there isn't waste in the public sector. On the contrary, there's massive waste. But it's not on the front line. Everywhere I look in the public sector, the front line is stretched to breaking point. The waste is the army of non-jobs sitting in back offices justifying their existence by making the work of the front line even harder. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 2, 2024 13:23:44 GMT
I'm not surprised, the NHS provides vastly more services than it did at its conception. I guess the ever repeated question is what (Aside from diversity managers and efficiency) you would be willing to give up. I do wonder how much could be saved by letting the elderly die when their time is up. My mum is 93, she no longer remembers any of her family, she is perpetually confused and scared, asking to see my Dad who died 6 years ago. She feels ill all the time and has permanent sores on her legs and now a bad reaction to antibiotics. My God, I hope by the time I reach that age we have become civilised enough not to let people suffer like this. I wonder how much could be saved if the NHS was a 'national' health service, rather than an 'international' health service that at tax payers expense provides free healthcare to millions of people who have never paid one thin penny into the system. |
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Post by ratcliff on Nov 2, 2024 13:28:50 GMT
The very last thing my views on public sector lack of productivity are is ignorant I believe you've previously implied that you do some sort of diversity/equality training for LA staff? (If I'm wrong about that it's my mistake) If so the first thing I'd be asking (of any type of public function/service) is '' Is it absolutely essential training , without which the staff are unable to perform their contracted job or is it simply ''bunce? '' If the answer is no then your services should be dispensed with as public sector costs should be stripped back to the bone and all staff held fully accountable for their actions at all times . Lack of accountability is one of the worst faults in the unproductive public sector. Any private sector business undertakes ongoing cost/benefit analysis to minimise costs . Yep, you're wrong. I don't deliver equality and diversity courses. There is a course which is compulsory, but it's delivered as an online course which takes about half an hour. The cost is negligible. The training I do is mostly technical, council tax, council tax support and housing benefit are my specialities. I have also delivered training for other council services such as parking and schools admissions, plus some additional customer care training. I hope you don't see any of that as "bunce". As for your comment about lack of accountability, again showing your ignorance. I'll be honest, I'm not sure if you're just on a wind up here? Training for parking? What on earth does that mean? You train council traffic ''wardens''/using ticket machines for council workers/emptying ticket machines/how to lower a barrier? That's certainly bunce if a car park worker can't learn the role in a 10 minute explanation on their first morning . So you train on house related benefits - again that can't involve anything more than following a simple crib sheet and signposting if necessary. Customer care training? Maybe that's why it takes an ignored email then three phone calls and speaking to five staff to order a recycling bin from my local council ? Whichever council you work at must have money to burn . Only ones on a wind up are those who like to pretend the average public sector worker is wholly productive , accountable , fully deserving of their gold plated pensions, all working their socks off , underpaid , understaffed and unappreciated and that they are not completely funded by the hard pressed private sector |
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Post by ratcliff on Nov 2, 2024 13:30:27 GMT
I haven't lied , and you re-accusing me of lying doesn't make your false accusation a fact . I quoted the exact post where you explained that you said ''eff it , ''endured'' a pay freeze and sat in post for 10 years to get your good pension'' instead of seeking more remunerative employment elsewhere if you were not satisfied where you were... And you're lying again: Where did I say I was unsatisfied? That's right - I didn't. ...I'm not the one simply saying ''I'm a public sector supervisor ( now retired but gone back p/t) involved in ''infrastructure'' and I think I work hard enough so my opinion is gospel and how dare anyone disagree with me '' Damn right that's what I'm saying. I have long since learned that lived experience trumps everything else. When I'm witnessing something every day, no amount of people claiming the exact opposite is going to convince me. Because I can quite clearly see that they're wrong. For the record, I've never said that there isn't waste in the public sector. On the contrary, there's massive waste. But it's not on the front line. Everywhere I look in the public sector, the front line is stretched to breaking point. The waste is the army of non-jobs sitting in back offices justifying their existence by making the work of the front line even harder. You used the word ''endured '' endure /ɪnˈdjʊə,ɛnˈdjʊə/ verb 1. suffer (something painful or difficult) patiently. "it seemed impossible that anyone could endure such pain" |
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Post by Handyman on Nov 2, 2024 13:41:16 GMT
I'm not surprised, the NHS provides vastly more services than it did at its conception. I guess the ever repeated question is what (Aside from diversity managers and efficiency) you would be willing to give up. I do wonder how much could be saved by letting the elderly die when their time is up. My mum is 93, she no longer remembers any of her family, she is perpetually confused and scared, asking to see my Dad who died 6 years ago. She feels ill all the time and has permanent sores on her legs and now a bad reaction to antibiotics. My God, I hope by the time I reach that age we have become civilised enough not to let people suffer like this. I wonder how much could be saved if the NHS was a 'national' health service, rather than an 'international' health service that at tax payers expense provides free healthcare to millions of people who have never paid one thin penny into the system. Good question |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 2, 2024 14:07:13 GMT
Labour has taxed the ‘ working people’ albeit indirectly . Small business owners like Zany can see it and feel it but the ones at the bottom of the pile such as Mr AngryBenn and the cut and paste monkey can hardly feel any pain at all. This is the essence of the Labour Party. I don't want the pain switched to our poorest. I want it switched to our richest. For me there is a price for living in this beautiful temperate country and it should be based on ability to pay. If you got rich here its because you are living in a safe, healthy, educated, lawful, temperate, well off country. If you don't want to pay for that then feel free to setup in Mexico, but put a bit aside to pay the ransom for your children and the armed guards on your gates. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 2, 2024 14:11:52 GMT
Labour has taxed the ‘ working people’ albeit indirectly . Small business owners like Zany can see it and feel it but the ones at the bottom of the pile such as Mr AngryBenn and the cut and paste monkey can hardly feel any pain at all. This is the essence of the Labour Party. I don't want the pain switched to our poorest. I want it switched to our richest. For me there is a price for living in this beautiful temperate country and it should be based on ability to pay. If you got rich here its because you are living in a safe, healthy, educated, lawful, temperate, well off country. If you don't want to pay for that then feel free to setup in Mexico, but put a bit aside to pay the ransom for your children and the armed guards on your gates. My post wasn’t about what what you want . The rest of your post was self indulgent waffle. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 2, 2024 14:17:31 GMT
I haven't lied , and you re-accusing me of lying doesn't make your false accusation a fact . I quoted the exact post where you explained that you said ''eff it , ''endured'' a pay freeze and sat in post for 10 years to get your good pension'' instead of seeking more remunerative employment elsewhere if you were not satisfied where you were... And you're lying again: Where did I say I was unsatisfied? That's right - I didn't. ...I'm not the one simply saying ''I'm a public sector supervisor ( now retired but gone back p/t) involved in ''infrastructure'' and I think I work hard enough so my opinion is gospel and how dare anyone disagree with me '' Damn right that's what I'm saying. I have long since learned that lived experience trumps everything else. When I'm witnessing something every day, no amount of people claiming the exact opposite is going to convince me. Because I can quite clearly see that they're wrong. For the record, I've never said that there isn't waste in the public sector. On the contrary, there's massive waste. But it's not on the front line. Everywhere I look in the public sector, the front line is stretched to breaking point. The waste is the army of non-jobs sitting in back offices justifying their existence by making the work of the front line even harder. I agree, you are far less likely to reduce the staff in your office than someone else's. And far more likely to sympathise when one of your cohort say they need help. Plus my experience as an Business owner is that its very easy to increase the number of staff needed for a job and almost impossible to decrease them. I do think we have to be careful when looking at the numbers that we don't forget the back office people often do jobs that used to be done by the frontline people. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 2, 2024 14:19:16 GMT
I don't want the pain switched to our poorest. I want it switched to our richest. For me there is a price for living in this beautiful temperate country and it should be based on ability to pay. If you got rich here its because you are living in a safe, healthy, educated, lawful, temperate, well off country. If you don't want to pay for that then feel free to setup in Mexico, but put a bit aside to pay the ransom for your children and the armed guards on your gates. My post wasn’t about what what you want . The rest of your post was self indulgent waffle. My post was about what I want. The rest of your post is self indulgent insult |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 2, 2024 14:24:59 GMT
My post wasn’t about what what you want . The rest of your post was self indulgent waffle. My post was about what I want. The rest of your post is self indulgent insult You replied to my post with a non point that has nothing to do with the content of the post that you replied to. You followed it up with self indulgent ,virtue signalling waffle , as usual. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 2, 2024 14:33:54 GMT
My post was about what I want. The rest of your post is self indulgent insult You replied to my post with a non point that has nothing to do with the content of the post that you replied to. You followed it up with self indulgent ,virtue signalling waffle , as usual. Nope. You pointed out how I was harmed but the poorest weren't. I simply pointed out that I don't want the poorest harmed and my reasons why. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 2, 2024 14:40:51 GMT
You replied to my post with a non point that has nothing to do with the content of the post that you replied to. You followed it up with self indulgent ,virtue signalling waffle , as usual. Nope. You pointed out how I was harmed but the poorest weren't. I simply pointed out that I don't want the poorest harmed and my reasons why. As I said , it wasn’t about what you want , I used you as an example . It wasn’t a platform for you to bore us about how ‘ caring ‘ you are. I understand that you have a need to virtue signal but I don’t want you highjacking my posts to do it . |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 2, 2024 14:42:52 GMT
Nope. You pointed out how I was harmed but the poorest weren't. I simply pointed out that I don't want the poorest harmed and my reasons why. As I said , it wasn’t about what you want , I used you as an example . It wasn’t a platform for you to bore us about how ‘ caring ‘ you are. I understand that you have a need to virtue signal but I don’t want you highjacking my posts to do it . Sorry I don't do this crap. I want to talk politics |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 2, 2024 14:48:58 GMT
As I said , it wasn’t about what you want , I used you as an example . It wasn’t a platform for you to bore us about how ‘ caring ‘ you are. I understand that you have a need to virtue signal but I don’t want you highjacking my posts to do it . Sorry I don't do this crap. I want to talk politics Then don’t use my posts as platform to virtue signal in the first place then . |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 2, 2024 15:22:06 GMT
And you're lying again: Where did I say I was unsatisfied? That's right - I didn't. Damn right that's what I'm saying. I have long since learned that lived experience trumps everything else. When I'm witnessing something every day, no amount of people claiming the exact opposite is going to convince me. Because I can quite clearly see that they're wrong. For the record, I've never said that there isn't waste in the public sector. On the contrary, there's massive waste. But it's not on the front line. Everywhere I look in the public sector, the front line is stretched to breaking point. The waste is the army of non-jobs sitting in back offices justifying their existence by making the work of the front line even harder. You used the word ''endured '' endure /ɪnˈdjʊə,ɛnˈdjʊə/ verb 1. suffer (something painful or difficult) patiently. "it seemed impossible that anyone could endure such pain" And you used the word "coasted". And they are not the same.
Coast:
to progress or succeed without any effort or difficulty
ie the exact opposite of what you just posted.
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