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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 16, 2024 10:11:34 GMT
On the toxicity issue, I am now below the weight at which they can switch me to something less nasty. I'll know in a month On the other hand, maybe I don't want to stick around to watch the sheep letvStarmer complete the fuckup of the UK Blair started... You are a biochemist I thought I heard you say?
Can you make any sense of why Science Daily is using this research to suggest the reason why vaccines administered have caused blood clotting? I skimmed through the paper and it appears to me to be identifying in detail the mechanism the body employs to clot blood, as per down to the molecular level of detail. That's all it appears to be investigating, hence where is the link to what Bridgen claimed.
I think it takes as a given that the disease / syndrome exists. That's about it. I.mean there are a number of accepted medical texts and NHS admissions like this one www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/documents/vaccine-induced-thrombocytopenia-and-thrombosis-vitt-support-for-patients-family-members/ which pretty specifically identify the condition and that it does occur post vaccination. All the science daily article seems to tell.me is that there is a oroc ss that seems to countermand the actions of platelets in this situation. I'm not sure I'd have pass d this as a referee as while it does seem to say one thing I'm not sure it properly deals with the other. Ah well. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 16, 2024 10:45:03 GMT
You are a biochemist I thought I heard you say?
Can you make any sense of why Science Daily is using this research to suggest the reason why vaccines administered have caused blood clotting? I skimmed through the paper and it appears to me to be identifying in detail the mechanism the body employs to clot blood, as per down to the molecular level of detail. That's all it appears to be investigating, hence where is the link to what Bridgen claimed.
I think it takes as a given that the disease / syndrome exists. That's about it. I.mean there are a number of accepted medical texts and NHS admissions like this one www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/documents/vaccine-induced-thrombocytopenia-and-thrombosis-vitt-support-for-patients-family-members/ which pretty specifically identify the condition and that it does occur post vaccination. All the science daily article seems to tell.me is that there is a oroc ss that seems to countermand the actions of platelets in this situation. I'm not sure I'd have pass d this as a referee as while it does seem to say one thing I'm not sure it properly deals with the other. Ah well. Did you read the paper?
This is what Science Daily's article is based on, i.e. a summary of this paper.
Statistical correlation with a blood type is useful in detecting the real cause, but no good on its own. From what I gather this paper gives a more granular understanding of the mechanism of a blood clot, so we can trace the process at the end, but how does the vaccine, what with its hundreds of chemicals added in for various reasons trigger the mechanism described in the paper. This seems like some leap of faith and unsupported in the paper.
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 16, 2024 20:08:18 GMT
I think it takes as a given that the disease / syndrome exists. That's about it. I.mean there are a number of accepted medical texts and NHS admissions like this one www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/documents/vaccine-induced-thrombocytopenia-and-thrombosis-vitt-support-for-patients-family-members/ which pretty specifically identify the condition and that it does occur post vaccination. All the science daily article seems to tell.me is that there is a oroc ss that seems to countermand the actions of platelets in this situation. I'm not sure I'd have pass d this as a referee as while it does seem to say one thing I'm not sure it properly deals with the other. Ah well. Did you read the paper?
This is what Science Daily's article is based on, i.e. a summary of this paper.
Statistical correlation with a blood type is useful in detecting the real cause, but no good on its own. From what I gather this paper gives a more granular understanding of the mechanism of a blood clot, so we can trace the process at the end, but how does the vaccine, what with its hundreds of chemicals added in for various reasons trigger the mechanism described in the paper. This seems like some leap of faith and unsupported in the paper.
Yes I did read it As I said, the whole thing seems to focus on the molecular mechanism by which platelets are triggered in a condition defined as VITT which is assayed by the presence of a reaction to one compound and a consecutive utter absence of a reaction to another. There is already a tacit presumption that this condition VITT exists, is real, and is an allergic reaction to the COVID illness and / or it's factors. that's it |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 16, 2024 21:54:29 GMT
Did you read the paper?
This is what Science Daily's article is based on, i.e. a summary of this paper.
Statistical correlation with a blood type is useful in detecting the real cause, but no good on its own. From what I gather this paper gives a more granular understanding of the mechanism of a blood clot, so we can trace the process at the end, but how does the vaccine, what with its hundreds of chemicals added in for various reasons trigger the mechanism described in the paper. This seems like some leap of faith and unsupported in the paper.
Yes I did read it As I said, the whole thing seems to focus on the molecular mechanism by which platelets are triggered in a condition defined as VITT which is assayed by the presence of a reaction to one compound and a consecutive utter absence of a reaction to another. There is already a tacit presumption that this condition VITT exists, is real, and is an allergic reaction to the COVID illness and / or it's factors. that's it I was just reading the wiki article on VITT and it said there is no causal link between the vaccine and the condition. So the paper does not prove Bridgen correct, rather it is a study related to that area of biochemistry. It appears to me it is one of those typical papers where an tiny bit more understanding had been achieved in a very small area of study, and chances are many more papers need doing before they have a full understanding of the entire mechanism, because only then do they stand a chance of neutralising the problem. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 17, 2024 4:24:04 GMT
Yes I did read it As I said, the whole thing seems to focus on the molecular mechanism by which platelets are triggered in a condition defined as VITT which is assayed by the presence of a reaction to one compound and a consecutive utter absence of a reaction to another. There is already a tacit presumption that this condition VITT exists, is real, and is an allergic reaction to the COVID illness and / or it's factors. that's it I was just reading the wiki article on VITT and it said there is no causal link between the vaccine and the condition Well, as I said, my impression was that the paper started from the position that there was this clinical condition that the medical profession called VITT. If what you seek from me is an admission that this is (yet) another case of sloppy journalism by a so called author of a media article taking a 'professional' scientific paper and joining dots it never made in the first place then you'll get no argument from me. To be fair to the original scientists, the original research paper was doing nothing more, in my opinion, than hundreds of others on unrelated subjects did. When the group that took over my basic idea and finished it off brought a drug to the market that saved countless lives, they made no claims as to the situation that gave rise to the condition in the first place. The process began with a thought experiment (in what I am sure would have been a smoke filled room if the one of us present who went on to perfect the vaping machine had himself been addicted to tobacco). The thought experiment started from the clinically observed pathology reported by coroner's opening up the bodies of people who had died and reporting that death was seemingly caused through failure of the heart's primary function caused by failure of the tissues to sustain a supply of oxygen as a result of cellular debris in the capillaries. Nobody in that room cared HOW that came to be. The goal was to take a person who was at the moment still alive but who presented that condition with its consequent threat to life and do something to reduce or remove that condition to the point their survival chances were greatly improved. And between my idea and their enormous hard work taking where I was forced to leave off and bringing it to market, we did just that. The same I suppose goes for my nephew's work on cancer in mouse cells. He and the group he works with found a process that severely disturbs the advancement of ovarian cancer. The problem the group faced last time I spoke to any of my relatives on that side of the family was that in the same way cyanide is a superb antibiotic in that it kills 99.999999% of all known pathogens, it unfortunately kills 100% of all infected hosts. The Japanese invented what they thought was a wonder antibiotic back in the seventies, but the co worker whom I assisted in my early days proved using the techniques I helped perfect that while it worked magnificently as an antibiotic it wreaked utter havoc on liver cells to the point a transplant would be required within a year. Ironically I am probably patient zero for Mr Bridgen's hypothesis. It would I suppose be interesting to see if I now had the underlying symptoms that are now diagnosed as VITT but it would be far more interesting to see if sitting in some cold storage somewhere, some mad scientist still has a test tube containing a sample of my blood taken the week before I had that bloody AstraZenuca jab..... Now that would be WELL worth publication... |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 17, 2024 7:44:47 GMT
I was just reading the wiki article on VITT and it said there is no causal link between the vaccine and the condition Well, as I said, my impression was that the paper started from the position that there was this clinical condition that the medical profession called VITT. If what you seek from me is an admission that this is (yet) another case of sloppy journalism by a so called author of a media article taking a 'professional' scientific paper and joining dots it never made in the first place then you'll get no argument from me. To be fair to the original scientists, the original research paper was doing nothing more, in my opinion, than hundreds of others on unrelated subjects did. When the group that took over my basic idea and finished it off brought a drug to the market that saved countless lives, they made no claims as to the situation that gave rise to the condition in the first place. The process began with a thought experiment (in what I am sure would have been a smoke filled room if the one of us present who went on to perfect the vaping machine had himself been addicted to tobacco). The thought experiment started from the clinically observed pathology reported by coroner's opening up the bodies of people who had died and reporting that death was seemingly caused through failure of the heart's primary function caused by failure of the tissues to sustain a supply of oxygen as a result of cellular debris in the capillaries. Nobody in that room cared HOW that came to be. The goal was to take a person who was at the moment still alive but who presented that condition with its consequent threat to life and do something to reduce or remove that condition to the point their survival chances were greatly improved. And between my idea and their enormous hard work taking where I was forced to leave off and bringing it to market, we did just that. The same I suppose goes for my nephew's work on cancer in mouse cells. He and the group he works with found a process that severely disturbs the advancement of ovarian cancer. The problem the group faced last time I spoke to any of my relatives on that side of the family was that in the same way cyanide is a superb antibiotic in that it kills 99.999999% of all known pathogens, it unfortunately kills 100% of all infected hosts. The Japanese invented what they thought was a wonder antibiotic back in the seventies, but the co worker whom I assisted in my early days proved using the techniques I helped perfect that while it worked magnificently as an antibiotic it wreaked utter havoc on liver cells to the point a transplant would be required within a year. Ironically I am probably patient zero for Mr Bridgen's hypothesis. It would I suppose be interesting to see if I now had the underlying symptoms that are now diagnosed as VITT but it would be far more interesting to see if sitting in some cold storage somewhere, some mad scientist still has a test tube containing a sample of my blood taken the week before I had that bloody AstraZenuca jab..... Now that would be WELL worth publication... I was just trying to check my view agaisnt your view. I find people in general are not a lot of help when it comes to science, so I have to hack through it myself even if it is not my subject. What I wanted to know from you was if I had missed anything in my effort to establish if the claim of the thread was true or not. Was there something in that paper that if I had known, would say, yes they had established the exact cause of this problem and it is the vaccine responsible.
However your lack of such a correction to my determination leaves me thinking it probably does not, although you are careful not to commit yourself to a definite yes or no. In a sense we are still dilly dallying around in the land of the fairies and no one has got a handle on this problem. Statistical studies are weak science. We need to know the chain of chemical reactions.
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 17, 2024 9:29:02 GMT
Well, as I said, my impression was that the paper started from the position that there was this clinical condition that the medical profession called VITT. If what you seek from me is an admission that this is (yet) another case of sloppy journalism by a so called author of a media article taking a 'professional' scientific paper and joining dots it never made in the first place then you'll get no argument from me. To be fair to the original scientists, the original research paper was doing nothing more, in my opinion, than hundreds of others on unrelated subjects did. When the group that took over my basic idea and finished it off brought a drug to the market that saved countless lives, they made no claims as to the situation that gave rise to the condition in the first place. The process began with a thought experiment (in what I am sure would have been a smoke filled room if the one of us present who went on to perfect the vaping machine had himself been addicted to tobacco). The thought experiment started from the clinically observed pathology reported by coroner's opening up the bodies of people who had died and reporting that death was seemingly caused through failure of the heart's primary function caused by failure of the tissues to sustain a supply of oxygen as a result of cellular debris in the capillaries. Nobody in that room cared HOW that came to be. The goal was to take a person who was at the moment still alive but who presented that condition with its consequent threat to life and do something to reduce or remove that condition to the point their survival chances were greatly improved. And between my idea and their enormous hard work taking where I was forced to leave off and bringing it to market, we did just that. The same I suppose goes for my nephew's work on cancer in mouse cells. He and the group he works with found a process that severely disturbs the advancement of ovarian cancer. The problem the group faced last time I spoke to any of my relatives on that side of the family was that in the same way cyanide is a superb antibiotic in that it kills 99.999999% of all known pathogens, it unfortunately kills 100% of all infected hosts. The Japanese invented what they thought was a wonder antibiotic back in the seventies, but the co worker whom I assisted in my early days proved using the techniques I helped perfect that while it worked magnificently as an antibiotic it wreaked utter havoc on liver cells to the point a transplant would be required within a year. Ironically I am probably patient zero for Mr Bridgen's hypothesis. It would I suppose be interesting to see if I now had the underlying symptoms that are now diagnosed as VITT but it would be far more interesting to see if sitting in some cold storage somewhere, some mad scientist still has a test tube containing a sample of my blood taken the week before I had that bloody AstraZenuca jab..... Now that would be WELL worth publication... I was just trying to check my view agaisnt your view. I find people in general are not a lot of help when it comes to science, so I have to hack through it myself even if it is not my subject. What I wanted to know from you was if I had missed anything in my effort to establish if the claim of the thread was true or not. Was there something in that paper that if I had known, would say, yes they had established the exact cause of this problem and it is the vaccine responsible.
However your lack of such a correction to my determination leaves me thinking it probably does not, although you are careful not to commit yourself to a definite yes or no. In a sense we are still dilly dallying around in the land of the fairies and no one has got a handle on this problem. Statistical studies are weak science. We need to know the chain of chemical reactions.
Ok look. The uncensored version if you like I don't see evidence of a link. The science daily report is extrapolating and drawing lines where none have been shown IN THAT REPORT so yes, I share your concerns in that I believe that so called science blog is not diung the job oroperly. I've tried to explain why the ORIGINAL scientific paper almost certainly would not have bothered making one. Some may find that hard to understand. I don't. As one who has worn the uniform and wielded the weaponry used on that battlefield it really isn't our primary concern. The original report showed how the condition could be treated. That's what those in that line of work do. Report on observed successes and failures. If I'm still using the language of the professional scientist well that's because I was one (still am I suppose) and we think like that. It's not easy speaking truth to power with caveats but if there is one appraisal comment i take to my grave laughing about, it is my boss's comment about 30 years ago that 'he has no issue in speaking truth to power but will also stress how much of an idiot you will look if you cut out the caveats' That must be from when I told the four star general of course the missile will launch if you do it your way but it will fly off in the completely wrong direction. After all, if Blair had lunch stened to what he was actually told instead of making shit up from it, we probably would not have engaged in military adventurism on his watch. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 17, 2024 10:06:28 GMT
I was just trying to check my view agaisnt your view. I find people in general are not a lot of help when it comes to science, so I have to hack through it myself even if it is not my subject. What I wanted to know from you was if I had missed anything in my effort to establish if the claim of the thread was true or not. Was there something in that paper that if I had known, would say, yes they had established the exact cause of this problem and it is the vaccine responsible.
However your lack of such a correction to my determination leaves me thinking it probably does not, although you are careful not to commit yourself to a definite yes or no. In a sense we are still dilly dallying around in the land of the fairies and no one has got a handle on this problem. Statistical studies are weak science. We need to know the chain of chemical reactions.
Ok look. The uncensored version if you like I don't see evidence of a link. The science daily report is extrapolating and drawing lines where none have been shown IN THAT REPORT so yes, I share your concerns in that I believe that so called science blog is not diung the job oroperly. I've tried to explain why the ORIGINAL scientific paper almost certainly would not have bothered making one. Some may find that hard to understand. I don't. As one who has worn the uniform and wielded the weaponry used on that battlefield it really isn't our primary concern. The original report showed how the condition could be treated. That's what those in that line of work do. Report on observed successes and failures. If I'm still using the language of the professional scientist well that's because I was one (still am I suppose) and we think like that. It's not easy speaking truth to power with caveats but if there is one appraisal comment i take to my grave laughing about, it is my boss's comment about 30 years ago that 'he has no issue in speaking truth to power but will also stress how much of an idiot you will look if you cut out the caveats' That must be from when I told the four star general of course the missile will launch if you do it your way but it will fly off in the completely wrong direction. After all, if Blair had lunch stened to what he was actually told instead of making shit up from it, we probably would not have engaged in military adventurism on his watch. I was being cautious myself because often times when one looks at something with a rather amateurish understanding of it, what can look obvious is sometimes not, due to some weird subtle effect that one would know about if one had a rigorous understanding of the subject. I had this the other day with a woodworker who set up a firm to build expensive audio speakers. It was very nice woodwork, but his superficial understanding of impedances led to a fatal mistake in his proposed wiring. It's what you have not heard of that can trip you up, and in his case it was back EMF. It's not something woodworkers talk about much. Anyway, I hope I helped him. He forked out 3000 dollars for these speakers. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Sept 17, 2024 14:49:30 GMT
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 18, 2024 6:09:10 GMT
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Post by Dubdrifter on Sept 19, 2024 8:36:06 GMT
For those out there struggling with Covid/mRNA vaccine damage and long Covid … this discussion is worth checking.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Sept 24, 2024 1:52:30 GMT
For those out there who are struggling with neurological (nerve) damage issues and severe symptoms from the vaccine jab … and even stroke victims… here is one person who found a mind/body therapy approach to train her brain to rewire and remove cyclical pain from her daily life.
More details on these techniques are posted within this video … further reading required.
This person found these symptoms were triggered by the third Covid vaccine jab in particular. … which triggered a host of weird symptoms diagnosed as ‘small fibre neuropathy’ … numbness down one side of the face and body, pins and needles in the extremities of the limbs and the feeling you are walking on shards of glass when moving around.
Working with the Lightening Project and another doctor’s technique approach delivered a solution here.
Hope this info helps … where doctors and drugs have left people with no solutions. … or no progress.
…. If you think mind/body techniques are not going to be a solution for you … believe me, it works… the brain is a very powerful asset with many hidden secret abilities within it … connected to the sub-conscious … and can be rewired/reprogrammed to cancel out cyclical symptoms which drugs fail to remedy.
I used it during an agonising bout of sciatic pain in my lower back … and made a pretty miraculous recovery that stunned me, tbh … These symptoms have not returned since … so these mind-pain cancelling techniques do provide permanent solutions to certain problems, for certain people.
It’s hard to explain why these techniques deliver these solutions … but if it works … it works … no need to over analyse why … just embrace that fact!
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Post by Dubdrifter on Sept 24, 2024 2:51:13 GMT
For those out there suffering from recent turbo cancers from the jab … and are getting no information from your NHS on the latest scientific papers published and info theory currently being shared around the World ….
Check this talk.
Discussing a number of ways these turbo cancers might be being rapidly triggered in cells and within the nucleus … by introduction of mRNA vaccines.
Research is discovering fragmentary DNA in some shots(yet to be confirmed) … no wonder NHS/Government policy is to recall vaccines in some Countries - eg Canada - Are they desperately trying to get rid of the evidence of foreign particles within shots designed to create severe health issues?? … as researchers close in … check this Channel out for more insights.
… (Interesting that Dr Mikolaj Raszek has to duck and dive to produce his videos off the Grid in the wilderness these days! … a symptom of harassment by the current quangos that highjacked our health services, governments and WHO??)
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 24, 2024 3:50:05 GMT
It's all down to the makeup of the individual, some people could have adverse reactions to medication/vaccines, unfortunately these vaccine trials are made up of volunteers, the Covid vaccine was far too soon to get any conclusive data, no two people are the same. I think this should be made clear by vaccine/medication companies, to say vaccines are completely safe is not a true statement, they are safe depending on the individual, because they are reluctant to make this fact clear, hence along comes the conspiracy theorists, when something is hushed up it instantly becomes suspicious. Warning: this packet of peanuts may contain nuts. Why are you being all woke? We all knew it was a new vaccine! 🫠 We all know peanut allergies can kill. But the government doesn't force you to eat peanuts. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 24, 2024 3:56:29 GMT
Having read through this thread, and sadly I concede some of it was interesting, I implore you to watch this, to the end, it's only ten minutes...
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