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Post by Vinny on Sept 11, 2024 6:51:49 GMT
51 years since the coup against democracy in Chile by Pinochet.
51 years since the death of Salvador Allende.
Who was he, what were his policies?
Only by discussing him can he be remembered properly.
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 11, 2024 7:06:50 GMT
Textbook example of how introducing Socialism does not work. Widespread Nationalisation, price controls and Government spending led to hyperinflation and economic disaster.
Pretty much exactly what happened 30 years later in Venezuela..
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Post by Vinny on Sept 11, 2024 7:44:50 GMT
Doesn't legitimise the coup, the murders.
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 11, 2024 7:46:31 GMT
Doesn't legitimise the coup, the murders. The country had not descended into chaos the coup would not have happened.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 11, 2024 7:55:36 GMT
Textbook example of how introducing Socialism does not work. Widespread Nationalisation, price controls and Government spending led to hyperinflation and economic disaster. Pretty much exactly what happened 30 years later in Venezuela.. Or the UK under Starmer.
Capital flight was a big feature of his time. The factory owners just left their factories and fled with all they had.
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Post by Vinny on Sept 11, 2024 12:10:04 GMT
Doesn't legitimise the coup, the murders. The country had not descended into chaos the coup would not have happened. Elections are the way to get rid of shit governments. Pinochet wanted power for himself and had foreign backers.
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Post by Bentley on Sept 11, 2024 12:20:41 GMT
The country had not descended into chaos the coup would not have happened. Elections are the way to get rid of shit governments. Pinochet wanted power for himself and had foreign backers. The US iirc .
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 11, 2024 15:04:51 GMT
The country had not descended into chaos the coup would not have happened. Elections are the way to get rid of shit governments. Pinochet wanted power for himself and had foreign backers. Would there have been any elections? - Allende was already bypassing Congress and trying for a political takeover of the Police and Army.
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Post by Vinny on Sept 11, 2024 15:13:20 GMT
There was high inflation in Chile in the 1960's before Allende took power.
He inherited a crisis and did not fix it.
Impossible to say whether there would actually have been elections under Allende as he was murdered before he could hold any.
What is clear is there were no elections under Pinochet and pro democracy voices were silenced via murder.
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 11, 2024 17:16:32 GMT
Every other leader who followed the same policies as Allende (Chavez, Mugabe, Castro, Maduro etc) have held elections that were in no way democratic. Allende's direction of travel was exactly the same, so the idea that he was going to be the exception and be a beacon of democracy is I would suggest the triumph of hope over experience.
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Post by Vinny on Sept 11, 2024 17:59:53 GMT
Not saying he was a good man. I'm saying the people of Chile needed to be the ones to get rid of him.
He was killed in a military coup and what replaced him imprisoned and killed thousands more.
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 11, 2024 21:22:01 GMT
Would it have been a bad thing if Chavez or Mugabe had been killed in a military coup?
If you turn the country into an undemocratic economic basket case then opposition will occur.
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Post by Vinny on Sept 11, 2024 21:24:42 GMT
If what replaced them was even worse, yes.
What replaced Allende was a bloodbath.
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 11, 2024 21:47:03 GMT
Hyper inflation is a bloodbath - you just have to look at Venezuela. I'm not defending the Military Junta but they did stabilise the economy and put in place a route to democracy.
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Post by Vinny on Sept 11, 2024 22:50:01 GMT
There was extremely high inflation before he came to power. Throughout the 1960's Chile was a basket case.
Allende may have been a twat but Pinochet was even worse.
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