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Post by Bentley on Sept 2, 2024 20:18:20 GMT
Please read the post you replied to. I deliberately pointed out that centre right posters claimed that the Tory government were not exactly Tories . I can add that many of them complained that the Tory government spouted much rhetoric and little action . If you didn’t see centre right posters criticising the Tory government then you were not looking . You look at it your way and I'll look at it my way, okay? Look at your tag line, which makes my point for me. Nope it makes Malcolm X’s point . Let's face it you fell into a trap of your own making by claiming others had a simplified view while displaying a simplified view. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 3, 2024 6:00:05 GMT
It's certainly worrying that the BBC is a "public service" provider that is funded by an annual fee which is basically compulsory. In view of this it should take its remit of impartiality a lot more seriously than it does. Its output is solidly left wing - mainly because its employees are almost exclusively Lefties. There probably isn't a single BBC employee who supported Brexit - except maybe a cameraman. There is no evidence of this at all. Only the constant whining of the unhinged Alt-Right. All The Best The people who present Radio 4 are not like anyone I have ever known. It looks to me like a load of pretentious bollox from a West London literary elite. They live up their own arses. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Sept 3, 2024 7:18:51 GMT
Everything was the fault of the Lefties even when the Tories were in power for the longest time. Now that the Lefties are in power, everything is, of course, still their fault. This stance absolves the Tories in perpetuity of any responsibility. See how conveniently that works? Cameron was a Lib Dem - what with his EU support, gay marriage and £14 billion of foreign aid. However you need to remember that the civil service are the people who actually running the country - and if they don't want to do what a politician tells them to do they simply don't do it. And the civil service is also solidly left wing. Blair politicised it. That's why poor old Boris had such a lot of trouble delivering Brexit. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Sept 3, 2024 11:17:00 GMT
There is no evidence of this at all. Only the constant whining of the unhinged Alt-Right. All The Best The people who present Radio 4 are not like anyone I have ever known. It looks to me like a load of pretentious bollox from a West London literary elite. They live up their own arses. Still no evidence that the BBC is significantly left-biased. All The Best |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 3, 2024 11:35:12 GMT
The people who present Radio 4 are not like anyone I have ever known. It looks to me like a load of pretentious bollox from a West London literary elite. They live up their own arses. Still no evidence that the BBC is significantly left-biased. All The Best What counts as admissible evidence in the court of Proveritas? |
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Post by steppenwolf on Sept 3, 2024 12:42:06 GMT
The people who present Radio 4 are not like anyone I have ever known. It looks to me like a load of pretentious bollox from a West London literary elite. They live up their own arses. Still no evidence that the BBC is significantly left-biased. All The Best Let's break it down to basics. The Left are not logical - they live by what they think is "morally right" - quasi-religious. The Right tend to live by what "works" - pragmatism. So one fairly fundamental Leftist view is that we should have no borders. Anyone can go anywhere they like. That's a nice idea. The problem is that it doesn't work if you ALSO want to have a welfare state, where the less well off are helped by others. And the Lefties also think that's a nice idea too. It's all morally right. The trouble is doesn't actually work. Because iit just ends up with all the scroungers going to the nations with the best benefits - like The UK, Germany, Scandinavia (who are rapidly withdrawing benefits for migrants). The EU is one such lefty institution and it has basically abandoned border controls - even within most of the EU. Unfortunately they're being rapidly over-run by muslims who find it easy to get to Greece and Italy - and who just let them in because they know that they're headed for the UK or Sweden. So the EU's economic and political philosophy doesn't work because at its root is a contradiction. It's the same with the BBC. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 3, 2024 13:51:13 GMT
Radio 4 is unashamedly woke now. It always was a bit politically correct but I can’t stand it now, especially the radio plays .
The documentaries and ’ podcasts’ in the evening were so good that I often stayed in the car when I got home after listening to them when commuting.
I wouldn’t know if they still are good . I hope so.
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Post by ProVeritas on Sept 3, 2024 15:59:15 GMT
Still no evidence that the BBC is significantly left-biased. All The Best Let's break it down to basics. The Left are not logical - they live by what they think is "morally right" - quasi-religious. The Right tend to live by what "works" - pragmatism. Mmm, any evidence at all to support such a wide ranging statement? However, as a moral entity surely we should be looking for what is both "morally right" and which "works", they are not mutually exclusive. Furthermore, under Patel and Braverman we've had two of the most right-wing home secretaries this country has ever had, and our plans to control immigration are still not working. Of recent Tory Leaders Truss was the most right-wing, her economic polices were so "not working" that they dumped the economy down the shitter, and likely led to another 5-10 years of austerity. Meanwhile, we have this: LINK
Nordic nations that nearly always score way better then the UK on just about every quality of life metric imaginable are broadly left-wing. I think your premise is at best fatally flawed, and at worst just flat out wrong. It took me less time to undermine it than it took you to write it. All The Best |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 3, 2024 17:51:03 GMT
Let's break it down to basics. The Left are not logical - they live by what they think is "morally right" - quasi-religious. The Right tend to live by what "works" - pragmatism. Mmm, any evidence at all to support such a wide ranging statement? However, as a moral entity surely we should be looking for what is both "morally right" and which "works", they are not mutually exclusive. Furthermore, under Patel and Braverman we've had two of the most right-wing home secretaries this country has ever had, and our plans to control immigration are still not working. Of recent Tory Leaders Truss was the most right-wing, her economic polices were so "not working" that they dumped the economy down the shitter, and likely led to another 5-10 years of austerity. Meanwhile, we have this: LINK
Nordic nations that nearly always score way better then the UK on just about every quality of life metric imaginable are broadly left-wing. I think your premise is at best fatally flawed, and at worst just flat out wrong. It took me less time to undermine it than it took you to write it. All The Best When some people think or say lefties they think of wokeism, postmodernism and not egalitarianism. Im have little knowledge of modern Nordic states but I suspect their broad left wing tendencies embrace egalitarianism rather than destruction of culture/ values and opening up the gates to mass immigration . |
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Post by ProVeritas on Sept 3, 2024 23:19:49 GMT
Mmm, any evidence at all to support such a wide ranging statement? However, as a moral entity surely we should be looking for what is both "morally right" and which "works", they are not mutually exclusive. Furthermore, under Patel and Braverman we've had two of the most right-wing home secretaries this country has ever had, and our plans to control immigration are still not working. Of recent Tory Leaders Truss was the most right-wing, her economic polices were so "not working" that they dumped the economy down the shitter, and likely led to another 5-10 years of austerity. Meanwhile, we have this: LINK
Nordic nations that nearly always score way better then the UK on just about every quality of life metric imaginable are broadly left-wing. I think your premise is at best fatally flawed, and at worst just flat out wrong. It took me less time to undermine it than it took you to write it. All The Best When some people think or say lefties they think of wokeism, postmodernism and not egalitarianism. Im have little knowledge of modern Nordic states but I suspect their broad left wing tendencies embrace egalitarianism rather than destruction of culture/ values and opening up the gates to mass immigration . So you are saying because they are left and they are successful they are not really left at all? All The Best |
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Post by steppenwolf on Sept 4, 2024 6:44:46 GMT
Let's break it down to basics. The Left are not logical - they live by what they think is "morally right" - quasi-religious. The Right tend to live by what "works" - pragmatism. Mmm, any evidence at all to support such a wide ranging statement? However, as a moral entity surely we should be looking for what is both "morally right" and which "works", they are not mutually exclusive. Furthermore, under Patel and Braverman we've had two of the most right-wing home secretaries this country has ever had, and our plans to control immigration are still not working. Of recent Tory Leaders Truss was the most right-wing, her economic polices were so "not working" that they dumped the economy down the shitter, and likely led to another 5-10 years of austerity. Meanwhile, we have this: LINK
Nordic nations that nearly always score way better then the UK on just about every quality of life metric imaginable are broadly left-wing. I think your premise is at best fatally flawed, and at worst just flat out wrong. It took me less time to undermine it than it took you to write it. All The Best Unfortunately what's morally right and what works are often mutually exclusive. I gave you one example of the moral principle that we should have open borders AND that we should have a welfare state. It's not practically possible. As for Patel and Braverman being right wing, maybe, but the civil service blocked them at every turn. They were even taking legal action to overturn the Rwanda policy. And as for Truss's policies they were never given a chance to "dump the economy down the shitter". They never even came into law FFS. And the economy didn't collapse. It suffered a brief crisis of confidence caused by huge briefing against Truss by Sunak and the Treasury. There was a concerted attempt to get rid Truss because the Tory MPs did NOT want her as PM. And the Nordic countries are changing since they (particularly Sweden) were overwhelmed by muslim migrants. Norway is withdrawing benefits from immigrants for instance. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 4, 2024 9:26:56 GMT
When some people think or say lefties they think of wokeism, postmodernism and not egalitarianism. Im have little knowledge of modern Nordic states but I suspect their broad left wing tendencies embrace egalitarianism rather than destruction of culture/ values and opening up the gates to mass immigration . So you are saying because they are left and they are successful they are not really left at all? All The Best No but I’m am saying that you need to learn to read . |
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Post by ProVeritas on Sept 4, 2024 9:39:47 GMT
Mmm, any evidence at all to support such a wide ranging statement? However, as a moral entity surely we should be looking for what is both "morally right" and which "works", they are not mutually exclusive. Furthermore, under Patel and Braverman we've had two of the most right-wing home secretaries this country has ever had, and our plans to control immigration are still not working. Of recent Tory Leaders Truss was the most right-wing, her economic polices were so "not working" that they dumped the economy down the shitter, and likely led to another 5-10 years of austerity. Meanwhile, we have this: LINK
Nordic nations that nearly always score way better then the UK on just about every quality of life metric imaginable are broadly left-wing. I think your premise is at best fatally flawed, and at worst just flat out wrong. It took me less time to undermine it than it took you to write it. All The Best As for Patel and Braverman being right wing, maybe, but the civil service blocked them at every turn. They were even taking legal action to overturn the Rwanda policy. And as for Truss's policies they were never given a chance to "dump the economy down the shitter". They never even came into law FFS. And the economy didn't collapse. It suffered a brief crisis of confidence caused by huge briefing against Truss by Sunak and the Treasury. There was a concerted attempt to get rid Truss because the Tory MPs did NOT want her as PM. And the Nordic countries are changing since they (particularly Sweden) were overwhelmed by muslim migrants. Norway is withdrawing benefits from immigrants for instance. Open Borders is NOT a Moral Principle, it is a Economic - Political CHOICE. The ONLY people we should have open borders for are genuine Asylum Seekers, that would amount to less than 10k a year, rather than 50k we are currently heading for and the 1.2 Million we had in 2022 (Tory Government) and the 942,000 we had in 2021 (Tory Government). The Civil Service were taking legal action to overturn the Rwanda Policy because a) it was illegal, and b) it was counter to several treaties the UK had voluntarily entered into. It is the Civil Service's DUTY to ensure that Ministerial Policy is LEGAL. Truss' policies were so fucking bad even just the potential for them to be put in place dumped the economy down the shitter; imagine how much worse things would have been had she ever had chance to implement them. We'd be going to the IMF for another bailout. While the 1976 IMF Bailout occurred under Callaghan's Labour government, however it was entirely caused by Conservative Anthony Barber's 1972 "Spend for Growth" Budget; in fact even Barber saw how badly he had fucked up and tried to remedy things; but the Tories has screwed the pooch so badly they were tossed out of power in the 1974 GE, leaving Callaghan to pick up the pieces (sound familiar, eh?). All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Sept 4, 2024 9:40:59 GMT
So you are saying because they are left and they are successful they are not really left at all? All The Best No but I’m am saying that you need to learn to read . I read what you said, and then asked a question to gain clarification. Is that not how debate works? All The Best |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 4, 2024 9:45:53 GMT
No but I’m am saying that you need to learn to read . I read what you said, and then asked a question to gain clarification. Is that not how debate works? All The Best Nothing in the post suggested I claimed saying because they are left and they are successful they are not really left at all. Thats why I made my suggestion. |
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