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Post by Einhorn on Dec 18, 2022 0:01:54 GMT
And please don't repeat the claim that the people voted based on the nuances of the Constitution or the finer points of international trade, not when the most popular google search on the day the results were announced was 'what is the EU'? I know not why people voted the way they did but I can pontificate. For all we kow teh Google Search may have been remainers or non voters. I want to stay in teh EU ah now what is it or I have no idea what the EU is I cannae be bothered. At least we know leavers made a decision that was a decision to do something for whatever reason. You still haven't come up with another way to harmonise trading standards and rules. Is there another way to do it (other than the way the EU does it, that is)? |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 18, 2022 7:01:53 GMT
Popcorns are out of stock at the moment.
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 18, 2022 11:48:18 GMT
Popcorns are out of stock at the moment. Give the gift of hope this Christmas. We are looking for volunteers to drown Sal’s leotard and popcorn-themed gags in a bucket. You could make a real difference to people experiencing Sal this Christmas. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 18, 2022 12:48:37 GMT
Laughing at Einy suggesting gags for others, I'll send him an old blanket to make his own.
Now reaching for the popcorn once more.
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Post by sandypine on Dec 18, 2022 12:51:08 GMT
Oh for goodness sake everyone as far as I can see are saying that the 1972 act made EEC law supreme in areas existing at the time and extended afterwards. That the UK ceded sovereignty to the EEC/EU. In that respect the 1972 act bound all its successors unless they revoked that act. Domestic law recognised the supremacy of EU law. The only way for the UK to be sovereign was to revoke the 72 act. It is not dissimilar to the US Secessionism which has been argued for years as regards the rights of states to withdraw from the Union. As it turned out that right was violently opposed but the right existed because they did secede. If you look up Metric Martyrs or Thoburn v Sunderland City Council you can choose your poison. Read the line in bold again, Sandy. Then, just to be safe, read it one last time. Now , think about it. You're saying that the the 1972 Parliament bound itself and its successors until such time as Parliament or its successors changed their mind. In other words, Parliament was always in control. That's called being sovereign, Sandy. Not if it proves very difficult to do and no one has said it was easy. Sovereignty is always the act of being control, if that control is at best difficult to exercise then that raises a question on sovereignty. Saying you can always do such and such is easy to say but the example of the secessionists is that yes you are sovereign and you can leave but in the end that was shown to be a pipe dream. If we were sovereign we would be able to exclude EU fishing vessels from our waters. So sovereignty by revoking the 1972 act is according to you an actuality but in reality it is wrapped up in a big bag full of restrictions which temper sovereignty. Which is what we have been saying as far as I can recall. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 18, 2022 12:53:46 GMT
Laughing at Einy suggesting gags for others, I'll send him an old blanket to make his own. Now reaching for the popcorn once more. Thank you once again for not letting me give up on myself, Sal. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 18, 2022 12:55:59 GMT
I know not why people voted the way they did but I can pontificate. For all we kow teh Google Search may have been remainers or non voters. I want to stay in teh EU ah now what is it or I have no idea what the EU is I cannae be bothered. At least we know leavers made a decision that was a decision to do something for whatever reason. You still haven't come up with another way to harmonise trading standards and rules. Is there another way to do it (other than the way the EU does it, that is)? Why should I? Global government is the best way to harmonise rules but that presents many problems for the hoi polloi and this EU is no different. Harmonisation means control by bureaucrats and bureaucracy means petty bureaucrats and a whole legion of jobsworths. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 18, 2022 12:56:46 GMT
Read the line in bold again, Sandy. Then, just to be safe, read it one last time. Now , think about it. You're saying that the the 1972 Parliament bound itself and its successors until such time as Parliament or its successors changed their mind. In other words, Parliament was always in control. That's called being sovereign, Sandy. Not if it proves very difficult to do and no one has said it was easy. Sovereignty is always the act of being control, if that control is at best difficult to exercise then that raises a question on sovereignty. Saying you can always do such and such is easy to say but the example of the secessionists is that yes you are sovereign and you can leave but in the end that was shown to be a pipe dream. If we were sovereign we would be able to exclude EU fishing vessels from our waters. So sovereignty by revoking the 1972 act is according to you an actuality but in reality it is wrapped up in a big bag full of restrictions which temper sovereignty. Which is what we have been saying as far as I can recall. LOL! The fact that it was difficult to leave is cast-iron proof that Parliament is sovereign. Now please suggest a better way to harmonise standards and increase wealth than that implemented by the EU. You must have some ideas. What do you see that the EU missed? |
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Post by Montegriffo on Dec 18, 2022 12:57:27 GMT
Popcorns are out of stock at the moment. Give the gift of hope this Christmas. We are looking for volunteers to drown Sal’s leotard and popcorn-themed gags in a bucket. You could make a real difference to people experiencing Sal this Christmas. You shouldn't mock the elderly. There will come a day when you too can't remember that you just made the popcorn joke 5 mins ago and keep repeating it. Dementia is a nasty condition. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 18, 2022 13:06:56 GMT
Give the gift of hope this Christmas. We are looking for volunteers to drown Sal’s leotard and popcorn-themed gags in a bucket. You could make a real difference to people experiencing Sal this Christmas. You shouldn't mock the elderly. There will come a day when you too can't remember that you just made the popcorn joke 5 mins ago and keep repeating it. Dementia is a nasty condition. Sal has it bad. He seems to have already forgotten that he's to be found elsewhere on this forum criticising Aurealis for lurking around the edges of other peoples' debates and interjecting with one-liners. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 18, 2022 13:07:10 GMT
He's not mocking the elderly, he's head salesman for the popcorn industry; remember that, Jammin and also remember that Oink is the most repetitious poster ever to appear on a forum but he's not the most childish. :-)
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 18, 2022 13:18:40 GMT
He's not mocking the elderly, he's head salesman for the popcorn industry; remember that, Jammin and also remember that Oink is the most amazing poster ever to appear on a forum but he's not the most childish. :-) I'm just an optimist, Sal. I live in hope that if the facts are repeated often enough, they will eventually sink in. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 18, 2022 15:05:37 GMT
Not if it proves very difficult to do and no one has said it was easy. Sovereignty is always the act of being control, if that control is at best difficult to exercise then that raises a question on sovereignty. Saying you can always do such and such is easy to say but the example of the secessionists is that yes you are sovereign and you can leave but in the end that was shown to be a pipe dream. If we were sovereign we would be able to exclude EU fishing vessels from our waters. So sovereignty by revoking the 1972 act is according to you an actuality but in reality it is wrapped up in a big bag full of restrictions which temper sovereignty. Which is what we have been saying as far as I can recall. LOL! The fact that it was difficult to leave is cast-iron proof that Parliament is sovereign. Now please suggest a better way to harmonise standards and increase wealth than that implemented by the EU. You must have some ideas. What do you see that the EU missed? If parliament was sovereign we would be excluding foreign fishing boats from our waters, but we are not. So parliament was unable to take back full control pending agreements, so sovereignty, the ability to make your own laws and rules in the here and now, is not absolute so not sovereign as part of that definition is for other countries to recognise your sovereign rights. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 18, 2022 15:11:44 GMT
LOL! The fact that it was difficult to leave is cast-iron proof that Parliament is sovereign. Now please suggest a better way to harmonise standards and increase wealth than that implemented by the EU. You must have some ideas. What do you see that the EU missed? If parliament was sovereign we would be excluding foreign fishing boats from our waters, but we are not. So parliament was unable to take back full control pending agreements, so sovereignty, the ability to make your own laws and rules in the here and now, is not absolute so not sovereign as part of that definition is for other countries to recognise your sovereign rights. Are foreign fishing boats in UK waters because the sovereign Parliament reached a free agreement with the EU? I ask because one of the hallmarks of sovereignty is the ability to enter binding agreements. That said, such is the degree of Parliamentary sovereignty that Parliament could override that agreement so that the UK courts would be prevented from giving effect to it. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 18, 2022 15:58:44 GMT
If parliament was sovereign we would be excluding foreign fishing boats from our waters, but we are not. So parliament was unable to take back full control pending agreements, so sovereignty, the ability to make your own laws and rules in the here and now, is not absolute so not sovereign as part of that definition is for other countries to recognise your sovereign rights. Are foreign fishing boats in UK waters because the sovereign Parliament reached a free agreement with the EU? I ask because one of the hallmarks of sovereignty is the ability to enter binding agreements. That said, such is the degree of Parliamentary sovereignty that Parliament could override that agreement so that the UK courts would be prevented from giving effect to it. Entering a binding agreement is part of the process of regaining sovereignty. The hallmark of sovereignty is doing exactly as you please within your internationally recognised borders. They can override the courts now they have revoked the 1972 act which was always the basis of the ceding of sovereignty to others which of course is what I have repeatedly said. One cannot be sovereign and not sovereign at the same time. You are sovereign, if you lock yourself in a room with others and work together you are not sovereign until you release yourself from the room and regain your sovereignty irrespective of how the others feel. The UK was losing sovereignty as the process of binding was underway. Eventually we would have been unable to leave due to all the complications, perhaps that was the plan, political and monetary union. |
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