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Post by Bentley on Dec 11, 2022 12:15:21 GMT
The first carries no suggestion that they were not hard working . You made that up . The second tells you the hours that many worked .It itself doesn’t indicate their work rate The third indicates that they were no more hard working than their UK co workers . Working 12 hours a day , 7 days a week and ignoring safe working practice dies not indicate hard workers . It indicates workers being exploited by people like you . Do you think that nurses are not hard working because they do not work 12 hours a day / 7 days a week? How about police. Ambulance , Lorry drivers etc etc ? I’m not miffed at all . I think it’s you That's miffed because the point seems to be beyond you 😁 Fine. If you wish to deny it now. It's not really a problem. No matter what the rate is, to work a 12-hour shift, 7 days a week for weeks at a time is in, by, of itself, hard work. Even for those young, itinerant, dumb workers from Eastern Europe that you mentioned. To suggest otherwise is to insult workers who work such a shift. In any event, you assert that they're no more hard working than their UK co-workers. So, these young men from EE must have UK co-workers who work that kind of schedule. It would be great if you could provide us with evidence of that -- your anecdotes will do. You're all heart, aren't you? But please. Spare me the sermon. You are not worried about exploitation of immigrant workers. You're concerned about this misguided concept of yours that they accept such work conditions and thus "stagnate wages" and undercut the overpriced locals or worse, steal their jobs. Let’s face it , despite your left wing stance , you enjoy the opportunity to exploit cheap foreign workers for your own gain. You are a Tory . In fact you are worse than a Tory, you are a hypocritical leftie . |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 11, 2022 12:25:18 GMT
Your definition suggests anything other than a totally unregulated economy is guilty of protectionism. If that’s the case then I don’t see your point , Darling. Where exactly have I been self contradictory? I have pointed out how, in my experience, wages were stagnated and working conditions were made poorer by an uncontrolled influx of migrants . You seem to want to ignore that point made and concentrate on a non point about whether I am a “protectionist”. You are a Tory and I claim my brown envelope . Nah, just pointing out a contradiction in the typical Brexiter position. You are a higher species of Brexiter, Benny. I've always admired that about you. And I am pointing out the contradiction of a a typical leftie. You want uncontrolled cheap migrant workers that stagnate wages and lead to poorer working conditions then yiu attack Brexiters who voted to leave the EU to address that problem. As you probably haven’t got a job and therefore probably haven’t exploited that cheap East European Labour then you are not as bad as the gnome but you still are a hypocrite . On reflection I retract that because I suspect that you are a victim of leftie grooming. Sad because you seem quite intelligent.😢 |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 11, 2022 12:26:58 GMT
Nah, just pointing out a contradiction in the typical Brexiter position. You are a higher species of Brexiter, Benny. I've always admired that about you. And I am pointing out the contradiction of a a typical leftie. You want uncontrolled cheap migrant workers that stagnate wages and lead to poorer working conditions then yiu attack Brexiters who voted to leave the EU to address that problem. As you probably haven’t got a job and therefore probably haven’t exploited that cheap East European Labour then you are not as bad as the gnome but you still are a hypocrite . On reflection I retract that because I suspect that you are a victim of leftie grooming. Sad because you seem quite intelligent.😢 It's a human tragedy, Benny. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 11, 2022 14:31:52 GMT
And I am pointing out the contradiction of a a typical leftie. You want uncontrolled cheap migrant workers that stagnate wages and lead to poorer working conditions then yiu attack Brexiters who voted to leave the EU to address that problem. As you probably haven’t got a job and therefore probably haven’t exploited that cheap East European Labour then you are not as bad as the gnome but you still are a hypocrite . On reflection I retract that because I suspect that you are a victim of leftie grooming. Sad because you seem quite intelligent.😢 It's a human tragedy, Benny. Indeed. My heart goes out to you, Darling ♥️ |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 11, 2022 14:35:16 GMT
It's a human tragedy, Benny. Indeed. My heart goes out to you, Darling ♥️ Red's looking for a new liver if you can spare that as well. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 11, 2022 14:38:49 GMT
Indeed. My heart goes out to you, Darling ♥️ Red's looking for a new liver if you can spare that as well. I’m a liver and let liver kind of guy. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 11, 2022 14:40:16 GMT
Red's looking for a new liver if you can spare that as well. I’m a liver and let liver kind of guy. It's going to a good cause. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 11, 2022 14:43:04 GMT
I’m a liver and let liver kind of guy. It's going to a good cause. I can’t liver without it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2022 15:18:23 GMT
 Fine. If you wish to deny it now. It's not really a problem. No matter what the rate is, to work a 12-hour shift, 7 days a week for weeks at a time is in, by, of itself, hard work. Even for those young, itinerant, dumb workers from Eastern Europe that you mentioned. To suggest otherwise is to insult workers who work such a shift. In any event, you assert that they're no more hard working than their UK co-workers. So, these young men from EE must have UK co-workers who work that kind of schedule. It would be great if you could provide us with evidence of that -- your anecdotes will do. You're all heart, aren't you? But please. Spare me the sermon. You are not worried about exploitation of immigrant workers. You're concerned about this misguided concept of yours that they accept such work conditions and thus "stagnate wages" and undercut the overpriced locals or worse, steal their jobs. Let’s face it , despite your left wing stance , you enjoy the opportunity to exploit cheap foreign workers for your own gain. You are a Tory . In fact you are worse than a Tory, you are a hypocritical leftie . Earlier, you were complaining bitterly that "cheap" foreign workers undercut overpriced locals and "stagnate wages". But, now, you're suddenly concerned for the welfare of those same "cheap" foreign workers??? You're confused. 
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2022 15:21:10 GMT
Let’s face it , despite your left wing stance , you enjoy the opportunity to exploit cheap foreign workers for your own gain. You are a Tory . In fact you are worse than a Tory, you are a hypocritical leftie . Earlier, you were complaining bitterly that "cheap" foreign workers undercut overpriced locals and "stagnate wages". But, now, you're suddenly concerned for the welfare of those same "cheap" foreign workers??? You're confused. Why can't he support both stances? |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 11, 2022 15:26:37 GMT
Let’s face it , despite your left wing stance , you enjoy the opportunity to exploit cheap foreign workers for your own gain. You are a Tory . In fact you are worse than a Tory, you are a hypocritical leftie . Earlier, you were complaining bitterly that "cheap" foreign workers undercut overpriced locals and "stagnate wages". But, now, you're suddenly concerned for the welfare of those same "cheap" foreign workers??? You're confused. So I can only be concerned for one thing at a time ? Did you make that up all by yourself ?😁 I had you down as a Labour supporter but it’s seem you are a closet Tory ‘cheap Labour ‘supporter . You should embrace the fact that you are every bit as bad as the people you pretend to hate and feel lucky that you are not ( yet) vulnerable to the same fate as you imposed on others. Meanwhile , I’ll file you in the same drawer as the ones who bought their council house on the cheap and pretend to hate Thatcher . ……H. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2022 15:27:00 GMT
Earlier, you were complaining bitterly that "cheap" foreign workers undercut overpriced locals and "stagnate wages". But, now, you're suddenly concerned for the welfare of those same "cheap" foreign workers??? You're confused. Why can't he support both stances? Because they are not consistent with each other. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2022 15:30:27 GMT
Why can't he support both stances? Because they are not consistent with each other. They're both opposed to exploitation.
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Post by Bentley on Dec 11, 2022 15:33:13 GMT
Earlier, you were complaining bitterly that "cheap" foreign workers undercut overpriced locals and "stagnate wages". But, now, you're suddenly concerned for the welfare of those same "cheap" foreign workers??? You're confused. Why can't he support both stances? I can and he’s wriggling . If you choose to employ cheap migrant Labour who will work non stop long hours and ignore safe working practices then you are essentially creating a race to the bottom that not only involves the cheap Labour source but the previously protected one. I only hope the closer Tory doesn’t post any crocodiles tears about how the Tories exploit the poor or anything that proposes higher wages 🤦♂️ |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2022 15:54:47 GMT
Because they are not consistent with each other. They're both opposed to exploitation.
Well, he shifted the mood of his argument to the subjunctive, so the point is now more about his concern about exploitation of "cheap" foreign workers; less about exploitation itself. My take: Can you really be truly, sincerely concerned for the welfare of cheap foreign workers while at the same time demonising them for allegedly undercutting overpriced locals and stagnating wages? No. Raising the issue of exploitation is just a way of detracting from the fact that you blame them for coming over in the first place. No study that I am aware of concludes that foreign workers cause wage stagnation in a meaningful way. But Brexit-damage deniers still want them out. Now, a lot of them try the line "We are so concerned that they might be exploited in the UK." -- My ass! |
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