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Post by patman post on Sept 1, 2024 19:36:43 GMT
I expect free speech and demonstrations to be tolerated as long as they don’t cause damage, nuisance, and respect the law, whatever their causes. If the XR gathering in Windsor Great Park doesn’t respect the aspects I listed above, I expect the participants to be as rigorously controlled as rampaging EDL supporters… Rampaging? To my recall most of the rampaging was done either by Antifa or Muslims attacking the police. Most of which, and when…? |
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Post by wapentake on Sept 1, 2024 19:41:24 GMT
The point you’re missing Pat is were people concerned by migration to engage in exactly the same way XR have do you think they would be tolerated and treated in the same way? I expect free speech and demonstrations to be tolerated as long as they don’t cause damage, nuisance, and respect the law, whatever their causes. If the XR gathering in Windsor Great Park doesn’t respect the aspects I listed above, I expect the participants to be as rigorously controlled as rampaging EDL supporters… And there you go with your preconceived ideas Pat I wasn’t asking you what about this or that regards XR I asked you if people concerned by migration were to protest in exactly the same way they have would they be tolerated and treated in the same way? Its there in your answer whether you admit it or not you only see those concerned by migration as racist rioting edl supporters. Has it occurred to you that people can be concerned by migration and are not racist don’t want to be involved with rioting and feel they’re not being listened to but just being labelled as racist far right. |
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Post by patman post on Sept 1, 2024 20:24:48 GMT
I expect free speech and demonstrations to be tolerated as long as they don’t cause damage, nuisance, and respect the law, whatever their causes. If the XR gathering in Windsor Great Park doesn’t respect the aspects I listed above, I expect the participants to be as rigorously controlled as rampaging EDL supporters… And there you go with your preconceived ideas Pat I wasn’t asking you what about this or that regards XR I asked you if people concerned by migration were to protest in exactly the same way they have would they be tolerated and treated in the same way? Its there in your answer whether you admit it or not you only see those concerned by migration as racist rioting edl supporters. Has it occurred to you that people can be concerned by migration and are not racist don’t want to be involved with rioting and feel they’re not being listened to but just being labelled as racist far right. I hope my responses in this thread indicate that I don’t want any protests to be allowed to inflict damage, cause nuisance, and flout the law — whether they’re of the Left or Right, or any other cause. But I’m happy for people to express their views and opinions by marches, protests, rallies, etc. I don’t see that my antipathy to the recent thug-led riots, whipped up by posts on social media from home and abroad, shows me to be unreasonable. I also believe that international migration is currently out of hand, but it is an international problem that needs to be tackled by nations working together. British thugs setting fire to buildings accommodating people is unlikely to solve the problem… |
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Post by Rebirth on Sept 1, 2024 21:52:22 GMT
I expect free speech and demonstrations to be tolerated as long as they don’t cause damage, nuisance, and respect the law, whatever their causes. If the XR gathering in Windsor Great Park doesn’t respect the aspects I listed above, I expect the participants to be as rigorously controlled as rampaging EDL supporters… Rampaging? To my recall most of the rampaging was done either by Antifa or Muslims attacking the police. Sure, but as we can see Patman favours the lies. |
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Post by sandypine on Sept 2, 2024 7:50:30 GMT
Rampaging? To my recall most of the rampaging was done either by Antifa or Muslims attacking the police. Most of which, and when…? Bristol, Oldham where antifa broke police lines to throw bricks and bottles at EDL, Dudley where defenders of the mosque turned up to do battle, Luton at the very start where Muslims were ferried in in taxis to attack the demonstration. Rochdale where the police were attacked by Muslims, Rotherham where EDL were relegated to a car park and attacked by demonstrators allowed to get close. Bringing it more up to date the defenders of statues were attacked by groups of BLM supporters, a white man was attacked at Waterloo station and accused of being EDL and was saved from being murdered by a black security man. The actual racist aspect of the attack was ignored by the MSM and the fact he was saved by a black man was hailed the grand gesture. These were all well documented at the time although the MSM saw fit to change the actual details fro what transpired before most peoples eyes. You think the skewing of reporting goes unnoticed, well it does not. I would think the EDL could claim the same right as Palestinians that if you are attacked you fight back, or does it only work one way. |
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Post by sandypine on Sept 2, 2024 8:02:33 GMT
And there you go with your preconceived ideas Pat I wasn’t asking you what about this or that regards XR I asked you if people concerned by migration were to protest in exactly the same way they have would they be tolerated and treated in the same way? Its there in your answer whether you admit it or not you only see those concerned by migration as racist rioting edl supporters. Has it occurred to you that people can be concerned by migration and are not racist don’t want to be involved with rioting and feel they’re not being listened to but just being labelled as racist far right. I hope my responses in this thread indicate that I don’t want any protests to be allowed to inflict damage, cause nuisance, and flout the law — whether they’re of the Left or Right, or any other cause. But I’m happy for people to express their views and opinions by marches, protests, rallies, etc. I don’t see that my antipathy to the recent thug-led riots, whipped up by posts on social media from home and abroad, shows me to be unreasonable. I also believe that international migration is currently out of hand, but it is an international problem that needs to be tackled by nations working together. British thugs setting fire to buildings accommodating people is unlikely to solve the problem… You are right but lessons from recent history indicate that those who riot get their point across and often successfully and with results. Toxteth riots got ministers to Liverpool and investment, Bristol, Broadwater farm, Oldham, Bradford and even more glaringly the Poll tax riots. All worked in one way or another. Issues were addressed to some degree. In fact if one takes the Colston statue event the riot, which is destruction of public property by a mob, was eventually declared legal and just. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Sept 3, 2024 6:12:45 GMT
I expect free speech and demonstrations to be tolerated as long as they don’t cause damage, nuisance, and respect the law, whatever their causes. If the XR gathering in Windsor Great Park doesn’t respect the aspects I listed above, I expect the participants to be as rigorously controlled as rampaging EDL supporters… ...Has it occurred to you that people can be concerned by migration and are not racist don’t want to be involved with rioting and feel they’re not being listened to but just being labelled as racist far right. Of course it hasn't. |
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