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Post by patman post on Sept 8, 2024 18:02:27 GMT
Labour has been the party of the politics of envoy and identity for the past 40 years or so. So to which political envoy do you apportion most blame...? |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 8, 2024 18:19:57 GMT
Labour has been the party of the politics of envoy and identity for the past 40 years or so. So to which political envoy do you apportion most blame...? Typo..envy. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 8, 2024 21:24:00 GMT
The left are against this, the Unions are against this, the consumer Pension experts are against this... are they all populists? The winter fuel payment was introduced as a universal benefit by the Labour Party precisely because it was recognised that it would be difficult to ensure that all those in need of help would be in receipt. Perhaps they were populists?....😳 Perhaps they were — it would be a mistake to believe that Populism is only a characteristic of either Left or Right. You've only to look at the antics and pronouncements of Corbyn, Galloway, Patel, and others to see that... I'm old enough to remember when Barbara Castle introduced Child Benefit as a universal entitlement. Was this a populist measure or one that was taken to ensure that everyone who needed it was in receipt? Should Starmer scrap universal Child Benefit? - after all exactly the same arguments apply to that payment as to WFP. |
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Post by wapentake on Sept 9, 2024 6:37:37 GMT
Thank you for your patronising post, Postman
As I stated in my post above she was only a few months away from being able to draw her State Pension at the age of 60 years after paying her dues for 43 years, the Government suddenly changed the age at which she and many thousands of women could claim their State Pension from 60 years of age to 66 years of age the same age as men
If they had not changed the age when she would should have drawn her State Pension at 60 years to 66 years of age, at roughly £12,000 something per year she would have drawn £72,000 in that six year period, she had to wait until she reached 66 years to claim her State Pension, there was nothing any of the women could have done to stop the change
It appears that you have not heard of the WASPi Women Campaign many thousands of women like my wife who are trying to get the money they should have been paid at 60 years of age, its on line many have died waiting
My wife had no intention or retiring at the age of 60 she kept on working and paying into an Occupation Pension she only retire early this year at the age of 69 years, and yes we planned everything an paid for four our pensions
Waspi in short.
In 2011, a new Pensions Act was introduced that not only shortened the timetable to increase the women's pension age to 65 by two years but also raised the overall pension age to 66 by October 2020 - saving the government around £30bn.
The changes in the law led to a backlash from the women affected - namely those born in the 1950s.
They complained many women weren't appropriately notified of the changes by the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) back in 1995, with some only receiving letters about it 14 years after the legislation passed.
Others claimed to only have received a notification the year before they had been expecting to retire, aged 60, while more said they never received any communication from the department at all.
And when the law changed again in 2011, there was again little or no notice from the government as women had to re-plan their retirements once more. Your wife's NI payments were not being put into her personal fund — they were being used to pay state benefits such as the state pension, statutory sick pay and maternity leave to others.
Your wife's state pension is also paid for by others who are still working. Had she not been able to work, or unemployed, until retirement age, she would probably have been able to claim the appropriate benefit and had her NI credited.
Like many state payments, state pension provisions have always been liable to change. Like sick pay and unemployment, they're in place as a basic support — not a way of boosting income.
Most of us have to change our plans as life progresses. So I doubt people moaning about going without a new conservatory, that Caribbean cruise, moving to the coast or country, etc, attracts much sympathy from many of us...
you still don't get it, as they say some fell on stony ground as long as you are happy and ok sod everyone else One of Pats more arrogant posts the man who complained how his mother came here worked for crap pay but paid for him to be educated abroad and how well he has done since has the trophy wife the fancy car and highly paid job but still complains the Met are a racist bunch and thugs. And as I’ve told you in the past Pat well done to your mother and the work she did in the nhs ,you on the other hand fail to see that others like your mother worked long and hard paid their dues and don't expect to be crapped on. You really are a smug **** sometimes Pat.. |
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Post by Handyman on Sept 9, 2024 8:08:02 GMT
Of course all Police Officers are racists, even the one's that are not white, they get even more sticks threats and insults from the Non white people they have to deal with.
If I recall correctly Pat is Ghanaian , the Police there are brutal and corrupt they do not hesitate to shoot people .
If this Government do make changes to Private Pensions which may be on the cards he may not like what they do, which is increase the age to 60 before they can withdraw some of their cash, also they may well make changes to the State Pension which he and other will have no say in at all.
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Post by patman post on Sept 9, 2024 13:22:25 GMT
Perhaps they were — it would be a mistake to believe that Populism is only a characteristic of either Left or Right. You've only to look at the antics and pronouncements of Corbyn, Galloway, Patel, and others to see that... I'm old enough to remember when Barbara Castle introduced Child Benefit as a universal entitlement. Was this a populist measure or one that was taken to ensure that everyone who needed it was in receipt? Should Starmer scrap universal Child Benefit? - after all exactly the same arguments apply to that payment as to WFP. Congratulations on reaching your great age — child tax allowances were first introduced in 1798 — though they were abolished in 1805 and reintroduced in 1909... |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 9, 2024 13:35:16 GMT
I'm old enough to remember when Barbara Castle introduced Child Benefit as a universal entitlement. Was this a populist measure or one that was taken to ensure that everyone who needed it was in receipt? Should Starmer scrap universal Child Benefit? - after all exactly the same arguments apply to that payment as to WFP. Congratulations on reaching your great age — child tax allowances were first introduced in 1798 — though they were abolished in 1805 and reintroduced in 1909... Instead of a cringing smart arse answer , maybe you should address the point . |
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Post by patman post on Sept 9, 2024 13:51:12 GMT
Your wife's NI payments were not being put into her personal fund — they were being used to pay state benefits such as the state pension, statutory sick pay and maternity leave to others.
Your wife's state pension is also paid for by others who are still working. Had she not been able to work, or unemployed, until retirement age, she would probably have been able to claim the appropriate benefit and had her NI credited.
Like many state payments, state pension provisions have always been liable to change. Like sick pay and unemployment, they're in place as a basic support — not a way of boosting income.
Most of us have to change our plans as life progresses. So I doubt people moaning about going without a new conservatory, that Caribbean cruise, moving to the coast or country, etc, attracts much sympathy from many of us...
you still don't get it, as they say some fell on stony ground as long as you are happy and ok sod everyone else One of Pats more arrogant posts the man who complained how his mother came here worked for crap pay but paid for him to be educated abroad and how well he has done since has the trophy wife the fancy car and highly paid job but still complains the Met are a racist bunch and thugs. And as I’ve told you in the past Pat well done to your mother and the work she did in the nhs ,you on the other hand fail to see that others like your mother worked long and hard paid their dues and don't expect to be crapped on. You really are a smug **** sometimes Pat.. Shame you have to resort to fabrication. If your comprehension and memory were as developed as you pretend, you should recall that I've posted (more than once) that my Mum was born in London, and she's been nursing in the NHS for around 40 years and has progressed with commensurate pay.
As for the rest, despite your biased commentary, you've got to admit that I've plenty to be smug about...
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Post by Rebirth on Sept 9, 2024 14:03:47 GMT
Of course all Police Officers are racists, even the one's that are not white, they get even more sticks threats and insults from the Non white people they have to deal with. If I recall correctly Pat is Ghanaian , the Police there are brutal and corrupt they do not hesitate to shoot people . If this Government do make changes to Private Pensions which may be on the cards he may not like what they do, which is increase the age to 60 before they can withdraw some of their cash, also they may well make changes to the State Pension which he and other will have no say in at all. Blimey, it's no wonder the country is in such a mess and riddled with two-tier anti-native corruption if these are the sort of people that's supporting the party. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 9, 2024 14:37:14 GMT
Getting back to pensioners winter fuel payments, if briefly... Damning 'Labour' report from 2017 claimed scrapping winter fuel payment could kill nearly 4,000 pensioners
Almost 4,000 pensioners could die if winter fuel payments are scrapped, according to the party’s own research. A damning report published in 2017, when Keir Starmer was in the shadow cabinet, claimed that restricting the allowance to pensioners on benefits would cost thousands of lives. The analysis by the Resolution Foundation think tank was commissioned by Labour in the run-up to the 2017 election because Theresa May considered means testing the benefit. At that time Labour claimed thousands of pensioners lives would be at risk through being unable to heat their homes. www.telegraph.co.uk/money/winter-fuel-raid-could-kill-4000-pensioners/So as far as Starmer is concerned: Black lives matter Young peoples lives matter Trans lives matter Illegal immigrants lives matter Public sector workers lives matter LBTQ (Whatever the acronym is) lives matter Palestinian lives matter But old age pensioners who have spent a lifetime paying tax and national insurance, can fuck off and die. |
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Post by patman post on Sept 9, 2024 14:41:39 GMT
I'm old enough to remember when Barbara Castle introduced Child Benefit as a universal entitlement. Was this a populist measure or one that was taken to ensure that everyone who needed it was in receipt? Should Starmer scrap universal Child Benefit? - after all exactly the same arguments apply to that payment as to WFP. Congratulations on reaching your great age — child tax allowances were first introduced in 1798 — though they were abolished in 1805 and reintroduced in 1909... To answer your first question, I don't know.
My reply to the second question is that ideally, until the country is financially able to fund universal benefits and remain in the black, any benefit should be available only to those who need it... |
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Post by patman post on Sept 9, 2024 14:48:25 GMT
Getting back to pensioners winter fuel payments, if briefly... Damning 'Labour' report from 2017 claimed scrapping winter fuel payment could kill nearly 4,000 pensioners
Almost 4,000 pensioners could die if winter fuel payments are scrapped, according to the party’s own research. A damning report published in 2017, when Keir Starmer was in the shadow cabinet, claimed that restricting the allowance to pensioners on benefits would cost thousands of lives. The analysis by the Resolution Foundation think tank was commissioned by Labour in the run-up to the 2017 election because Theresa May considered means testing the benefit. At that time Labour claimed thousands of pensioners lives would be at risk through being unable to heat their homes. www.telegraph.co.uk/money/winter-fuel-raid-could-kill-4000-pensioners/So as far as Starmer is concerned: Black lives matter Young peoples lives matter Trans lives matter Illegal immigrants lives matter Public sector workers lives matter LBTQ (Whatever the acronym is) lives matter Palestinian lives matter But old age pensioners who have spent a lifetime paying tax and national insurance, can fuck off and die. Don't forget that after that, Boris did his bit to cut spending on pensioners:
Excess deaths due to the pandemic have also reduced the number of people receiving pensions relative to the assumptions underpinning our March 2020 forecast. Indeed, with virus-related deaths rising sharply again in recent months, we have revised up the number of excess pensioner-age deaths in 2020-21 from 90,000 in our November forecast to around 100,000 in this one.
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 9, 2024 15:10:40 GMT
Well that's nothing but whataboutery. I fail to see what the pandemic or Boris for that matter, has got to do with Starmer scrapping pensioners winter fuel payments, particularly after criticising the Tories for suggesting the benefit should be means tested. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 9, 2024 16:18:10 GMT
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 9, 2024 17:00:26 GMT
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