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Post by borchester on Sept 6, 2024 19:12:10 GMT
My wife paid NI since arrived in the UK aged 17 years, she only had a short break when our children were born, she paid extra when she went back to work to fill in the gaps. She was only a couple of months from her 60th birthday when she would have been allegeable to draw her Pension when the Tories moved the goalpost she had to wait until she was 66, she lost thousands like many other women How has she lost thousands? By the time she retires, the state pension will probably have increased. I assume that, meanwhile, she’s still earning. Anyone who didn’t notice the growing clamour for the retirement age for men and women to be equalised, or the retirement age to reflect reality, could not have been paying attention. Nevertheless, there’s no reason why people shouldn’t plan their own retirement (we’re planning to leave the rate race when I’m 55), and any state pension will be a bonus — after all, arent NI contributions an insurance…? No.
When handyman's wife's pension was put back 6 years she lost, very roughly £50,000. And the state pension is linked to inflation so as to maintain its value, not to make telephone numbers
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Post by Handyman on Sept 6, 2024 19:15:30 GMT
Thank you for your patronising post, Postman
As I stated in my post above she was only a few months away from being able to draw her State Pension at the age of 60 years after paying her dues for 43 years, the Government suddenly changed the age at which she and many thousands of women could claim their State Pension from 60 years of age to 66 years of age the same age as men
If they had not changed the age when she would should have drawn her State Pension at 60 years to 66 years of age, at roughly £12,000 something per year she would have drawn £72,000 in that six year period, she had to wait until she reached 66 years to claim her State Pension, there was nothing any of the women could have done to stop the change
It appears that you have not heard of the WASPi Women Campaign many thousands of women like my wife who are trying to get the money they should have been paid at 60 years of age, its on line many have died waiting
My wife had no intention or retiring at the age of 60 she kept on working and paying into an Occupation Pension she only retire early this year at the age of 69 years, and yes we planned everything an paid for four our pensions
Waspi in short.
In 2011, a new Pensions Act was introduced that not only shortened the timetable to increase the women's pension age to 65 by two years but also raised the overall pension age to 66 by October 2020 - saving the government around £30bn.
The changes in the law led to a backlash from the women affected - namely those born in the 1950s.
They complained many women weren't appropriately notified of the changes by the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) back in 1995, with some only receiving letters about it 14 years after the legislation passed.
Others claimed to only have received a notification the year before they had been expecting to retire, aged 60, while more said they never received any communication from the department at all.
And when the law changed again in 2011, there was again little or no notice from the government as women had to re-plan their retirements once more.
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Post by Handyman on Sept 6, 2024 20:06:14 GMT
In todays News Postman
The Chair of the Women Against State Pension Inequality (WASPI) campaign has stated that a meeting with the new Pensions Minister on Thursday "is the start of something" in the ongoing battle for 'fair and fast compensation' for an estimated 3.8million women affected by changes to their State Pension age.
The private meeting between Pensions Minister Emma Reynolds MP and WASPI representatives took place at Westminster. Speaking on BBC Breakfast on Friday morning, WASPI Chair Angela Madden outlined how the fight for justice has been ongoing for nearly a decade and this was the first time a meeting with a Pensions Minister had occurred to discuss advancing the recommendations made by the Parliamentary and Health Service Ombudsman (PHSO).
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Post by wassock on Sept 7, 2024 12:57:21 GMT
Once upon a time the Labour Party were frequently accused of either borrowing too much money, or spending what we cannot aford, or bankrupting the economy, or tax and spend. Funny how the legacy of a Conservative government has left a £22 Billion black hole in the nations finances, and on top of that has also left public services in a complete mess. The new government have got two mammoth tasks to try and perform (1) repair the deficit and (2) repair the damage to public services, particularly our NHS. The last government ignored these problems, they did nothing about it, they watched the NHS sink ( as usual ), and sat by and let it sink. But the British public expect the NHS to be properly funded, to work for them, and to get medical help within a reasonable time frame. Money has to come from somewhere Omg, do you believe in that finance black hole crap? |
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Post by patman post on Sept 7, 2024 14:18:52 GMT
Thank you for your patronising post, Postman
As I stated in my post above she was only a few months away from being able to draw her State Pension at the age of 60 years after paying her dues for 43 years, the Government suddenly changed the age at which she and many thousands of women could claim their State Pension from 60 years of age to 66 years of age the same age as men
If they had not changed the age when she would should have drawn her State Pension at 60 years to 66 years of age, at roughly £12,000 something per year she would have drawn £72,000 in that six year period, she had to wait until she reached 66 years to claim her State Pension, there was nothing any of the women could have done to stop the change
It appears that you have not heard of the WASPi Women Campaign many thousands of women like my wife who are trying to get the money they should have been paid at 60 years of age, its on line many have died waiting
My wife had no intention or retiring at the age of 60 she kept on working and paying into an Occupation Pension she only retire early this year at the age of 69 years, and yes we planned everything an paid for four our pensions
Waspi in short.
In 2011, a new Pensions Act was introduced that not only shortened the timetable to increase the women's pension age to 65 by two years but also raised the overall pension age to 66 by October 2020 - saving the government around £30bn.
The changes in the law led to a backlash from the women affected - namely those born in the 1950s.
They complained many women weren't appropriately notified of the changes by the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) back in 1995, with some only receiving letters about it 14 years after the legislation passed.
Others claimed to only have received a notification the year before they had been expecting to retire, aged 60, while more said they never received any communication from the department at all.
And when the law changed again in 2011, there was again little or no notice from the government as women had to re-plan their retirements once more. Your wife's NI payments were not being put into her personal fund — they were being used to pay state benefits such as the state pension, statutory sick pay and maternity leave to others.
Your wife's state pension is also paid for by others who are still working. Had she not been able to work, or unemployed, until retirement age, she would probably have been able to claim the appropriate benefit and had her NI credited.
Like many state payments, state pension provisions have always been liable to change. Like sick pay and unemployment, they're in place as a basic support — not a way of boosting income.
Most of us have to change our plans as life progresses. So I doubt people moaning about going without a new conservatory, that Caribbean cruise, moving to the coast or country, etc, attracts much sympathy from many of us...
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Post by Handyman on Sept 7, 2024 15:07:43 GMT
Thank you for your patronising post, Postman
As I stated in my post above she was only a few months away from being able to draw her State Pension at the age of 60 years after paying her dues for 43 years, the Government suddenly changed the age at which she and many thousands of women could claim their State Pension from 60 years of age to 66 years of age the same age as men
If they had not changed the age when she would should have drawn her State Pension at 60 years to 66 years of age, at roughly £12,000 something per year she would have drawn £72,000 in that six year period, she had to wait until she reached 66 years to claim her State Pension, there was nothing any of the women could have done to stop the change
It appears that you have not heard of the WASPi Women Campaign many thousands of women like my wife who are trying to get the money they should have been paid at 60 years of age, its on line many have died waiting
My wife had no intention or retiring at the age of 60 she kept on working and paying into an Occupation Pension she only retire early this year at the age of 69 years, and yes we planned everything an paid for four our pensions
Waspi in short.
In 2011, a new Pensions Act was introduced that not only shortened the timetable to increase the women's pension age to 65 by two years but also raised the overall pension age to 66 by October 2020 - saving the government around £30bn.
The changes in the law led to a backlash from the women affected - namely those born in the 1950s.
They complained many women weren't appropriately notified of the changes by the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) back in 1995, with some only receiving letters about it 14 years after the legislation passed.
Others claimed to only have received a notification the year before they had been expecting to retire, aged 60, while more said they never received any communication from the department at all.
And when the law changed again in 2011, there was again little or no notice from the government as women had to re-plan their retirements once more. Your wife's NI payments were not being put into her personal fund — they were being used to pay state benefits such as the state pension, statutory sick pay and maternity leave to others.
Your wife's state pension is also paid for by others who are still working. Had she not been able to work, or unemployed, until retirement age, she would probably have been able to claim the appropriate benefit and had her NI credited.
Like many state payments, state pension provisions have always been liable to change. Like sick pay and unemployment, they're in place as a basic support — not a way of boosting income.
Most of us have to change our plans as life progresses. So I doubt people moaning about going without a new conservatory, that Caribbean cruise, moving to the coast or country, etc, attracts much sympathy from many of us...
Thank You for another Patronising Bollocks We know that her payments were not going into her personal fund, nor was anyone else's, the deal made was 43 years ago when she started to pay into the State Pension Scheme that at the age of 60 years she could claim what she had paid for, the Government of the day reneged and moved the goalpost she had to pay in for another 6 years It happened to many many thousands of women, some had handed in their Notice intent on retiring, many women where not contacted to tell them what was going to happen, my wife like thousands of others were not even contacted. That is why the Waspi Protest is all about a balls up by the DWP, they bottom line is we honoured our part of the deal and paid what you asked , the Government should have done the same honoured their part of the deal |
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Post by patman post on Sept 7, 2024 15:26:01 GMT
There was no deal, anymore than there were deals over personal allowance, tax levels, child allowance, etc.
Like pension increases, these are/were decided according to other demands and funding possible at the time…
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Post by Handyman on Sept 7, 2024 18:51:24 GMT
you still don't get it, as they say some fell on stony ground as long as you are happy and ok sod everyone else
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 7, 2024 21:22:54 GMT
Even those on the Left know what they are doing..
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Post by patman post on Sept 8, 2024 13:28:31 GMT
Pensioners, and others, will die this winter irrespective of whether the winter fuel payment is made or not. The challenge is to get those, who should be getting the benefits that would qualify them for the fuel payment, to claim them.
I sometimes wonder if those populists and their supporters, who complain so loudly about problems, intentionally ignore solutions in order to further division…
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Post by Bentley on Sept 8, 2024 15:07:16 GMT
Pensioners, and others, will die this winter irrespective of whether the winter fuel payment is made or not. The challenge is to get those, who should be getting the benefits that would qualify them for the fuel payment, to claim them. I sometimes wonder if those populists and their supporters, who complain so loudly about problems, intentionally ignore solutions in order to further division… The solution would be to keep paying the allowance until all pensioners ( or as near as possible) that qualified,claimed the benefits . The lefties solution was to snatch it from all pensioners who didn’t claim pension credits and tell them to go figure. Lefties tell us all we need to know about them . |
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 8, 2024 15:20:41 GMT
Pensioners, and others, will die this winter irrespective of whether the winter fuel payment is made or not. The challenge is to get those, who should be getting the benefits that would qualify them for the fuel payment, to claim them. I sometimes wonder if those populists and their supporters, who complain so loudly about problems, intentionally ignore solutions in order to further division… Well Labour could never have the audacity to call themselves the 'party for the poor', they are now the nasty snide party who lied their way through a GE campaign so they could win, we know most parties tell porkies during GE campaigns but this was out-and-out damn right lies, and for that reason there should be a official inquiry in to their GE campaign and face consequences for such blatant deception. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 8, 2024 15:26:59 GMT
Labour has been the party of the politics of envoy and identity for the past 40 years or so.
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 8, 2024 17:17:46 GMT
Pensioners, and others, will die this winter irrespective of whether the winter fuel payment is made or not. The challenge is to get those, who should be getting the benefits that would qualify them for the fuel payment, to claim them. I sometimes wonder if those populists and their supporters, who complain so loudly about problems, intentionally ignore solutions in order to further division… The left are against this, the Unions are against this, the consumer Pension experts are against this... are they all populists? The winter fuel payment was introduced as a universal benefit by the Labour Party precisely because it was recognised that it would be difficult to ensure that all those in need of help would be in receipt. Perhaps they were populists?....😳 |
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Post by patman post on Sept 8, 2024 17:58:51 GMT
Pensioners, and others, will die this winter irrespective of whether the winter fuel payment is made or not. The challenge is to get those, who should be getting the benefits that would qualify them for the fuel payment, to claim them. I sometimes wonder if those populists and their supporters, who complain so loudly about problems, intentionally ignore solutions in order to further division… The left are against this, the Unions are against this, the consumer Pension experts are against this... are they all populists? The winter fuel payment was introduced as a universal benefit by the Labour Party precisely because it was recognised that it would be difficult to ensure that all those in need of help would be in receipt. Perhaps they were populists?....😳 Perhaps they were — it would be a mistake to believe that Populism is only a characteristic of either Left or Right. You've only to look at the antics and pronouncements of Corbyn, Galloway, Patel, and others to see that... |
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