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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 21, 2024 14:29:29 GMT
Right. But how would Trump harm our government without harming the British people? Well that's up to Labour to explain to the people why they've pissed off the US President and he no longer want to play ball with a government who has continually slagged him off ... so if the British people are harmed by any actions Trump takes because of Labour .... then the blame lies squarely at the feet of Starmer/Labour ... don't ask the same question over and over and over again, even a child would have understood the implications of pissing off a US President and the fall out from such a move, if you still don't understand see if there's any kids floating around where you are, and ask them. If Trump chooses to harm Britain's interests that's his decision and his alone, nobody is obligated to respond to provocation and knowingly harm innocent bystanders. The "look what you made me do argument" is intellectually and morally bankrupt regardless of who uses it. And it still doesn't excuse you wishing harm on our country. It's your prerogative of course, but I don't see how you can do so and call yourself a patriot. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 21, 2024 14:36:57 GMT
Well that's up to Labour to explain to the people why they've pissed off the US President and he no longer want to play ball with a government who has continually slagged him off ... so if the British people are harmed by any actions Trump takes because of Labour .... then the blame lies squarely at the feet of Starmer/Labour ... don't ask the same question over and over and over again, even a child would have understood the implications of pissing off a US President and the fall out from such a move, if you still don't understand see if there's any kids floating around where you are, and ask them. If Trump chooses to harm Britain's interests that's his decision and his alone, nobody is obligated to respond to provocation and knowingly harm innocent bystanders. The "look what you made me do argument" is intellectually and morally bankrupt regardless of who uses it.And it still doesn't excuse you wishing harm on our country. It's your prerogative of course, but I don't see how you can do so and call yourself a patriot. Why don't you use that same logic, anger, and vent the same sort of disgust ...because that's exactly what the pensioners of Britain are asking of Starmer.
"is intellectually and morally bankrupt regardless of who uses it". ... Starmer punishing pensioners for supporting the Tories ...tut tut tut
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 21, 2024 14:38:34 GMT
If Trump chooses to harm Britain's interests that's his decision and his alone, nobody is obligated to respond to provocation and knowingly harm innocent bystanders. The "look what you made me do argument" is intellectually and morally bankrupt regardless of who uses it.And it still doesn't excuse you wishing harm on our country. It's your prerogative of course, but I don't see how you can do so and call yourself a patriot. Why don't you use that same logic, anger, and vent the same sort of anger ...because that's exactly what the pensioners of Britain are asking of Starmer.
"is intellectually and morally bankrupt regardless of who uses it". ... Starmer punishing pensioners for supporting the Tories ...tut tut tut
My logic applies to everyone who uses the "look what you made me do" argument. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 21, 2024 16:05:06 GMT
Like "People hate me 'cos I'm brown and Muslim" Khan?
Nope Sadiq, they hate you because you're a cunt.
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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 21, 2024 16:14:46 GMT
This thread is like OMG full circle.
After the referendum, when the People's Vote campaign was going, I'm sure those of us who helped to facilitate that campaign were accused of being unpatriotic by not supporting the country.
We now have Brexidiots who actively want their country to be damaged because they voted for a Labour government.
My head is totes spinning.
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 21, 2024 16:20:22 GMT
Like "People hate me 'cos I'm brown and Muslim" Khan? Nope Sadiq, they hate you because you're a cunt. LOL.... |
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 21, 2024 16:25:01 GMT
This thread is like OMG full circle. After the referendum, when the People's Vote campaign was going, I'm sure those of us who helped to facilitate that campaign were accused of being unpatriotic by not supporting the country. We now have Brexidiots who actively want their country to be damaged because they voted for a Labour government. My head is totes spinning. So far the thread is highlighting lefty double standard hypocrisy, when there was a vote for Brexit the remoaners have tried their damndest to make sure Brexit was a failure even if it meant the whole of the county would fail, they even forced Johnson to call a early GE because they were trying to obstruct Brexit and the speaker of the HOuse Bercow has admitted it. ... you couldn't make this shit up |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 21, 2024 16:28:24 GMT
This thread is like OMG full circle. After the referendum, when the People's Vote campaign was going, I'm sure those of us who helped to facilitate that campaign were accused of being unpatriotic by not supporting the country. We now have Brexidiots who actively want their country to be damaged because they voted for a Labour government. My head is totes spinning. What exactly was ‘ the people’s vote campaign’ that was going after the referendum? |
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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 21, 2024 18:10:58 GMT
This thread is like OMG full circle. After the referendum, when the People's Vote campaign was going, I'm sure those of us who helped to facilitate that campaign were accused of being unpatriotic by not supporting the country. We now have Brexidiots who actively want their country to be damaged because they voted for a Labour government. My head is totes spinning. What exactly was ‘ the people’s vote campaign’ that was going after the referendum? Plenty of info available en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_VoteBut not rather the point. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 21, 2024 18:30:37 GMT
Well now we've had a tiny dose of Starmer and Labour can the people of the UK have another General Election vote, if we campaigned for a second democratic referendum vote on leaving the EU, why can't we campaign for a second GE vote, it's clear the people who voted for Labour have made a mistake, they didn't realise what they were voting for, they were fed misinformation... and blah blah and blah blah |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 21, 2024 18:42:12 GMT
Well now we've had a tiny dose of Starmer and Labour can the people of the UK have another General Election vote, if we campaigned for a second democratic referendum vote on leaving the EU, why can't we campaign for a second GE vote, it's clear the people who voted for Labour have made a mistake, they didn't realise what they were voting for, they were fed misinformation... and blah blah and blah blah You'll get another vote in a few years. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 21, 2024 18:54:16 GMT
Ok thanks . I would say that brexiters accused the ex remainers were undemocratic rather then unpatriotic. Would Khan and the leftie politicians that goaded Trump be considered ‘ unpatriotic’ for risking a backlash from the POTUS? |
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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 21, 2024 19:09:43 GMT
Ok thanks . I would say that brexiters accused the ex remainers were undemocratic rather then unpatriotic. I've been accused of both. Although you must admit that advocating for a public vote on something being considered undemocratic is an odd one! Would Khan and the leftie politicians that goaded Trump be considered ‘unpatriotic’ for risking a backlash from the POTUS? But again you're making that assumption that because city hall permitted it that Khan supported it. Do you assume that Khan supports all protests that are permitted to take place in London? I don't. It just seems a really odd hill to put your flag on. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 21, 2024 19:28:34 GMT
Ok thanks . I would say that brexiters accused the ex remainers were undemocratic rather then unpatriotic. I've been accused of both. Although you must admit that advocating for a public vote on something being considered undemocratic is an odd one! Would Khan and the leftie politicians that goaded Trump be considered ‘unpatriotic’ for risking a backlash from the POTUS? But again you're making that assumption that because city hall permitted it that Khan supported it. Do you assume that Khan supports all protests that are permitted to take place in London? I don't. It just seems a really odd hill to put your flag on. If someone has the power to stop something they are ultimately in control, the same Khan would have prohibited a depiction of a Giant Obama balloon in a nappy, he would have called it racist, and apologised to the Obama's for the insult. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 21, 2024 19:29:27 GMT
Ok thanks . I would say that brexiters accused the ex remainers were undemocratic rather then unpatriotic. I've been accused of both. Although you must admit that advocating for a public vote on something being considered undemocratic is an odd one! Would Khan and the leftie politicians that goaded Trump be considered ‘unpatriotic’ for risking a backlash from the POTUS? But again you're making that assumption that because city hall permitted it that Khan supported it. Do you assume that Khan supports all protests that are permitted to take place in London? I don't. It just seems a really odd hill to put your flag on. I still think that you are being somewhat dishonest here . You are claiming that all forms of protest are the same and ignoring and/ or that Khan would have to permit any kind of protest if it did not break the law . I think a dishonest position is a poor hill for YOU to put your ‘flag’ on. |
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