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Post by see2 on Aug 10, 2024 14:49:01 GMT
I am not sure what the crime is here. Spreading false information can only be a crime if one knows it is false, if one believes it to be true it is just reporting of information. Governments spread false information all the time yet are up in arms at others doing exactly what they do. There is something rotten here. good post sandy. If we were to charge and jail everyone who ever spread misinformation , the House of Commons , Holyrood and every legislature on planet earth would be emptied. there is something extremely rotten here . And you would be one of the first to be in Jail. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 10, 2024 14:55:54 GMT
"Discussing the ordeal, she previously told The Times: “It was a spur-of-the-moment ridiculous thing to do, which has literally destroyed me. It was just a mistake. I did a really stupid, stupid thing, I copied and pasted it from what I saw"... And what's illegal about that? It's exactly what you've just done. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 10, 2024 14:57:59 GMT
sandy , we have been here before with a labour government though haven't we? its right out the Tony Blair rule book.......create a climate of fear through their pet media , the "far right Bogeymen" , then use this as an excuse to erode our freedoms. remember under blair we had an RAF veteran arrested for wearing an anti bush and blair t shirt? teenage sisters arrested for a peaceful protest and detained for 36 hours? Starmer is behaving exactly as blair and brown did all those years ago. This is really bad stuff. I bet the Russians , North Koreans and Chinese are telling their public about totalitarian Britain , where the public are arrested for posting stuff on social media. you couldnt make it up. With regards to Bonnie Spofforth, its amazing what you can uncover Ms Spofforth had previously shared posts raising questions about lockdown and net-zero climate change measures. However, her profile was temporarily removed by Twitter back in 2021 following allegations she was promoting misinformation about the Covid-19 vaccine and the pandemic. Since Mr Musk’s takeover, her posts have received more than a million views fairly regularly. The false claim that Ms Spofforth posted about the Southport attacker was quickly re-shared and picked up by a loose group of conspiracy theory influencers and profiles with a history of sharing anti-immigration and far-right ideas. _________________________________ Chief Superintendent Alison Ross said: ‘We have all seen the violent disorder that has taken place across the UK over the past week, much of which has been fuelled by malicious and inaccurate communications online. ‘It’s a stark reminder of the dangers of posting information on social media platforms without checking its accuracyIs it a crime to raise questions on lockdown, net zero climate change measures and discussing the Covid 19 and vaccines that is the safe and effective information supplied to the public which are now suspected of not only being not safe but pretty ineffective? Who are these groups you are referring to. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 10, 2024 14:59:39 GMT
good post sandy. If we were to charge and jail everyone who ever spread misinformation , the House of Commons , Holyrood and every legislature on planet earth would be emptied. there is something extremely rotten here . And you would be one of the first to be in Jail. What would the charges be? |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 10, 2024 15:09:47 GMT
And you would be one of the first to be in Jail. What would the charges be? Wanton disagreement?  |
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Post by thomas on Aug 10, 2024 15:10:18 GMT
good post sandy. If we were to charge and jail everyone who ever spread misinformation , the House of Commons , Holyrood and every legislature on planet earth would be emptied. there is something extremely rotten here . And you would be one of the first to be in Jail. you would love that wouldn't you see 2.? jailing people who hold different views to you. the brave new totalitarian world under the labour party and their gestapo like yourself. No free speech , erosion of all rights and political opponents imprisoned for daring to criticise the party view. sounds like one of your utopias..... |
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Post by thomas on Aug 10, 2024 15:11:08 GMT
And you would be one of the first to be in Jail. What would the charges be? offending the bedwetters in new labour . |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 10, 2024 15:12:43 GMT
You have to ask yourself if this offence would subject to historical offending,WMD’s anyone
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Post by witchfinder on Aug 11, 2024 11:26:38 GMT
I would understand if she said something like we have got to get shot of them and inciting a riot but the charge appears to be only false information yet at the time what was false and what was true was unknown as there was no information and the government had not released their version of the truth for us all to accept. sandy , we have been here before with a labour government though haven't we? its right out the Tony Blair rule book.......create a climate of fear through their pet media , the "far right Bogeymen" , then use this as an excuse to erode our freedoms. remember under blair we had an RAF veteran arrested for wearing an anti bush and blair t shirt? teenage sisters arrested for a peaceful protest and detained for 36 hours? Starmer is behaving exactly as blair and brown did all those years ago. This is really bad stuff. I bet the Russians , North Koreans and Chinese are telling their public about totalitarian Britain , where the public are arrested for posting stuff on social media. you couldnt make it up. "The Law" - Is The Law ... Its completely absurd to link enacted laws relating to Hate, Hate Speech, Incitement To Hate or Incitement To Riot with either Keir Starmer or the new government. Thjs government have not enacted any laws appertaining to any of the charges brought against anyone during the last 10 days in relation to disorder or on-line crimes. You cannot link either Keir Starmer or the government to charges brought against anyone in recent days, this is solely a matter for the Crown Prosecution Service and The Police who operate within set guidelines. The Law is not made up "on the hoof" or "Ad Hoc" As citizens we all have responsibilities, we all have a responsibility to use common sense, and we are expected to act and behave in a manner which will not put others at risk or cause harm to other people.. There has got to be a line drawn somewhere between Free Speech and Responsibilty - Telling others on-line or in a public domain that Covid is a hoax, or that the vaccine does not work IS NOT ACCEPTIBLE because it puts lives at risk. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 11, 2024 11:35:07 GMT
sandy , we have been here before with a labour government though haven't we? its right out the Tony Blair rule book.......create a climate of fear through their pet media , the "far right Bogeymen" , then use this as an excuse to erode our freedoms. remember under blair we had an RAF veteran arrested for wearing an anti bush and blair t shirt? teenage sisters arrested for a peaceful protest and detained for 36 hours? Starmer is behaving exactly as blair and brown did all those years ago. This is really bad stuff. I bet the Russians , North Koreans and Chinese are telling their public about totalitarian Britain , where the public are arrested for posting stuff on social media. you couldnt make it up. "The Law" - Is The Law ... Its completely absurd to link enacted laws relating to Hate, Hate Speech, Incitement To Hate or Incitement To Riot with either Keir Starmer or the new government. Thjs government have not enacted any laws appertaining to any of the charges brought against anyone during the last 10 days in relation to disorder or on-line crimes. You cannot link either Keir Starmer or the government to charges brought against anyone in recent days, this is solely a matter for the Crown Prosecution Service and The Police who operate within set guidelines. The Law is not made up "on the hoof" or "Ad Hoc" As citizens we all have responsibilities, we all have a responsibility to use common sense, and we are expected to act and behave in a manner which will not put others at risk or cause harm to other people.. There has got to be a line drawn somewhere between Free Speech and Responsibilty - Telling others on-line or in a public domain that Covid is a hoax, or that the vaccine does not work IS NOT ACCEPTIBLE because it puts lives at risk. The law is an ass , and needs changing when folk are arrested for posting something wrong on social media ,or as we previously saw wearing anti blair t shirts. people are entitled to voice their opinions , and regarding covid , we did all this to death years ago regarding vaccines , their efficiency , and the ever changing lies surrounding them . |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 11, 2024 12:02:39 GMT
sandy , we have been here before with a labour government though haven't we? its right out the Tony Blair rule book.......create a climate of fear through their pet media , the "far right Bogeymen" , then use this as an excuse to erode our freedoms. remember under blair we had an RAF veteran arrested for wearing an anti bush and blair t shirt? teenage sisters arrested for a peaceful protest and detained for 36 hours? Starmer is behaving exactly as blair and brown did all those years ago. This is really bad stuff. I bet the Russians , North Koreans and Chinese are telling their public about totalitarian Britain , where the public are arrested for posting stuff on social media. you couldnt make it up. "The Law" - Is The Law ... Its completely absurd to link enacted laws relating to Hate, Hate Speech, Incitement To Hate or Incitement To Riot with either Keir Starmer or the new government. Thjs government have not enacted any laws appertaining to any of the charges brought against anyone during the last 10 days in relation to disorder or on-line crimes. You cannot link either Keir Starmer or the government to charges brought against anyone in recent days, this is solely a matter for the Crown Prosecution Service and The Police who operate within set guidelines. The Law is not made up "on the hoof" or "Ad Hoc" As citizens we all have responsibilities, we all have a responsibility to use common sense, and we are expected to act and behave in a manner which will not put others at risk or cause harm to other people.. There has got to be a line drawn somewhere between Free Speech and Responsibilty - Telling others on-line or in a public domain that Covid is a hoax, or that the vaccine does not work IS NOT ACCEPTIBLE because it puts lives at risk. The law is indeed the law but that is not the point it is how it is applied and to whom. The BNP were taken through the courts for having a 'racist' membership requirements yet hoards of other groups had clear racist membership requirements and were not touched. In the end the equality act (now there is a misnomer if ever there was one) had to state clearly that any allowance for ethnic specific membership did not apply to registered political parties. Talk about making law to disable those politically opposed to you. The vaccine did not work as the government stated it would, one could argue that free speech saved lives. The government has no right to decide what is true as many opinions are at work in many ways and not many disputed the existence of Covid but were castigated for pontificating as to how it had arisen and escaped into the wider world. |
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Post by witchfinder on Aug 11, 2024 12:09:44 GMT
You buy a TV or a Microwave in a pub, you ask no questions and therefore you BELIEVE you have done nothing wrong.
A few days later you get a knock at the door and you are charged for "Handling Stolen Goods" ... You cannot say that you didn't know, its not a defence.
You post a falsehood onto social media which gives completely the wrong information, name, description, status and religion of someone, and you BELIEVE you have done nothing wrong. If that false information then leads to riot or activity, you can then be charged with incitement.
Claiming that "you didn't know" is not a defence, neither should it be
The key word here is RESPONSIBILITY, the onus is on the individual, and I hope this woman becomes an example for others.
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Post by thomas on Aug 11, 2024 12:11:17 GMT
"The Law" - Is The Law ... Its completely absurd to link enacted laws relating to Hate, Hate Speech, Incitement To Hate or Incitement To Riot with either Keir Starmer or the new government. Thjs government have not enacted any laws appertaining to any of the charges brought against anyone during the last 10 days in relation to disorder or on-line crimes. You cannot link either Keir Starmer or the government to charges brought against anyone in recent days, this is solely a matter for the Crown Prosecution Service and The Police who operate within set guidelines. The Law is not made up "on the hoof" or "Ad Hoc" As citizens we all have responsibilities, we all have a responsibility to use common sense, and we are expected to act and behave in a manner which will not put others at risk or cause harm to other people.. There has got to be a line drawn somewhere between Free Speech and Responsibilty - Telling others on-line or in a public domain that Covid is a hoax, or that the vaccine does not work IS NOT ACCEPTIBLE because it puts lives at risk. The vaccine did not work as the government stated it would, one could argue that free speech saved lives. The government has no right to decide what is true as many opinions are at work in many ways and not many disputed the existence of Covid but were castigated for pontificating as to how it had arisen and escaped into the wider world. the narrative to begin with from western governments in general was get the vaccine to stop catching and spreading covid , which was then reduced down to the vaccine merely mitigates the symptoms. I had the Pfizer vaccines , and caught covid at least three times that I know of after vaccination , that was , when the dodgy testing kits showed a positive , itself something that was very hit and miss. In witch finders brave new labour world , all this conversation would have been strictly verboten. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 11, 2024 12:17:12 GMT
You buy a TV or a Microwave in a pub, you ask no questions and therefore you BELIEVE you have done nothing wrong. A few days later you get a knock at the door and you are charged for "Handling Stolen Goods" ... You cannot say that you didn't know, its not a defence. You post a falsehood onto social media which gives completely the wrong information, name, description, status and religion of someone, and you BELIEVE you have done nothing wrong. If that false information then leads to riot or activity, you can then be charged with incitement. Claiming that "you didn't know" is not a defence, neither should it be The key word here is RESPONSIBILITY, the onus is on the individual, and I hope this woman becomes an example for others. so why does the responsibility apply to ordinary members of the public but not Labour Party politicians for example Angela Rayner? you are saying its not ok to incorrectly label a black murderer of little girls an asylum seeker , to the point you are arresting people and talking about shutting down the web and social media for the greater good. meanwhile , its ok for Angela Rayner to label political opponents tory scum , despite recent killings of politicians like the tory mp David Amess? responsibility seems to be another of those words selectively used and applied when it suits labour. |
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Post by witchfinder on Aug 11, 2024 12:24:42 GMT
As regards the Covid vaccine ( previously debated to death, as pointed out )
NONE of the vaccines were 100% effective, but they were all "fairly" effective and generally did work to a large degree, and did stop millions of people from either (1) contracting the virus (2) preventing the worst or most dangerous effects if contracting the virus and (3) prevented millions of deaths.
These facts are conclusive scientific facts and I will refuse to debate with anyone
who disputes scientific facts, I wont debate with people who are the equivelant of
Holocaust Deniers.
I am unsure if it is actually "The Law" to not allow Covid Hoaxers or Vaccine Hoaxers, but what I am certain about is that such people were barred and denied access to social media platforms such as Twitter, and rightly so, the owners of any social media platform can bar who they want if they feel there posts are contrary to the good of society.
Same as a pub landlord can bar who they want ( excluding on grounds of equality: gender, race, sexuality, faith etc ).
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