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Post by sandypine on Aug 10, 2024 11:03:15 GMT
I would think that works all ways that any legally held sympathies do not influence one's duty in terms of policing. Like police officers should not take the knee, should not cheer a Liverpool goal, should not cheer on pride events or tour round in rainbow cars nor wear anti-Israel badges or have those placed upon them without their permission. The police are there to uphold the law with all its inconsistencies and all its range of views. That's the compromise that is equally acceptable to everyone and so keeps things stable. The police should also not be doing political training that amounts to instruction to treat different parts of society differently and the police should not being conference with so called 'communities' However, I think you will find Patman will not accept that compromise It is the confusion that a BNP supporting policeman cannot do his duty without recourse to prejudicial judgements but Muslim policemen can, stand up to racism policemen can and Labour party members who are Policemen can. I am not sure how that works other than interference with a citizens rights, |
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Post by Orac on Aug 10, 2024 11:12:36 GMT
That's the compromise that is equally acceptable to everyone and so keeps things stable. The police should also not be doing political training that amounts to instruction to treat different parts of society differently and the police should not being conference with so called 'communities' However, I think you will find Patman will not accept that compromise It is the confusion that a BNP supporting policeman cannot do his duty without recourse to prejudicial judgements but Muslim policemen can, stand up to racism policemen can and Labour party members who are Policemen can. I am not sure how that works other than interference with a citizens rights, If he has such profound distrust of our society and people that he feels they need to be under his continuous political control to feel safe, perhaps he should consider moving somewhere else. The only way to assuage that level of distrust is to dismantle democracy and institute a totalitarian state under his direction. |
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Post by Dogburger on Aug 10, 2024 11:18:33 GMT
Tbh I don’t trust an ‘ authority’ that cracks down on one set of law breakers and ignores or is soft on others but you are entitled to your opinion l I’ve never witnessed that. But I can understand that “two tier” policing is in reality Crocodile Tears over the fact that, when push comes to shove, officers with BNP sympathies, can’t let their prejudices stop them doing their duty while in full view of cameras and fellow officers… I can't say Ive ever come across these policemen with BNP sympathies . All the coppers I know and I know a few are pretty neutral politically which comes I suppose with their training to treat everyone fairly . The two tier issue doesn't come from the coppers on the beat but from the management and political interference from the PCC |
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Post by patman post on Aug 10, 2024 14:49:10 GMT
I’ve never witnessed that. But I can understand that “two tier” policing is in reality Crocodile Tears over the fact that, when push comes to shove, officers with BNP sympathies, can’t let their prejudices stop them doing their duty while in full view of cameras and fellow officers… I can't say Ive ever come across these policemen with BNP sympathies . All the coppers I know and I know a few are pretty neutral politically which comes I suppose with their training to treat everyone fairly . The two tier issue doesn't come from the coppers on the beat but from the management and political interference from the PCC To my knowledge, I've never met a police officer who's murdered or raped, but arrests, disciplinary hearings, inquiries and trials show they exist.
There have also been organisational failings that have been recognised and taken onboard, such as those identified by Baroness Casey, Macpherson, the national police response to the Hillsborough families, etc.
And among the policing failures admitted to by the authorities, two tier policing allegations appear to only have traction among white Right-Wing activists and their supporters, with no real evidence to back them up.
There have been allegations that BLM and pro-Gaza marches and demonstrations were policed more gently than the recent riots:
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 10, 2024 16:55:05 GMT
I can't say Ive ever come across these policemen with BNP sympathies . All the coppers I know and I know a few are pretty neutral politically which comes I suppose with their training to treat everyone fairly . The two tier issue doesn't come from the coppers on the beat but from the management and political interference from the PCC To my knowledge, I've never met a police officer who's murdered or raped, but arrests, disciplinary hearings, inquiries and trials show they exist. There have also been organisational failings that have been recognised and taken onboard, such as those identified by Baroness Casey, Macpherson, the national police response to the Hillsborough families, etc. And among the policing failures admitted to by the authorities, two tier policing allegations appear to only have traction among white Right-Wing activists and their supporters, with no real evidence to back them up. The Macpherson and Casey investigations were about two-tier Policing. For over 20 years we have had left-wing politicians, newspapers, activists, columnists and members of the judiciary complaining about two-tier policing. Now some on the Right have said that they agree with the claim they all come out with 'no,no,no....no such thing as two-tier policing'  |
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