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Post by Bentley on Jul 31, 2024 17:50:42 GMT
Then you are being a little pedant then aren’t you? According to you shooting people from a Mosque wouldn’t be a hate crime whereas shooting people in a mosque would always be . Dies anywhere in your head register that both the incidents that I mentioned were hateful? Referring to the legal definition of hate crimes when discussing hate crimes is pedantry? Ok...... My understanding of said legal definition is that shooting people from a mosque could well be a hate crime, it wouldn't automatically have to be however. Unless you think that only crimes with a legal definition of a ‘ hate’ crime contain hate then , yes it is pedantry. |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 31, 2024 17:53:20 GMT
Would you call Muslims threatening to burn a Manchester police station a hate crime or some very dark men setting fire to buses and police cars in Leeds a hate crime . I think you'll find they probably have mental health issues... Some of the cult members definitely do. |
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Post by wapentake on Jul 31, 2024 17:54:53 GMT
I believe that because of the suspect's age they cannot legally identify him. Indeed, but considering this particular issue seems to be causing some public concern, the police could confirm or deny the killer is a muslim without identifying him. Yet they choose not to, most people will naturally assume this is because the killer is a muslim and lets be honest, few will be surprised. He isn’t Muslim and he does have mental health issues |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 31, 2024 17:58:45 GMT
Indeed, but considering this particular issue seems to be causing some public concern, the police could confirm or deny the killer is a muslim without identifying him. Yet they choose not to, most people will naturally assume this is because the killer is a muslim and lets be honest, few will be surprised. He isn’t Muslim and he does have mental health issues Really! Have the police released that information?.. |
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Post by wapentake on Jul 31, 2024 17:59:54 GMT
He isn’t Muslim and he does have mental health issues Really! Have the police released that information?.. No someone who resides in Southport |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 31, 2024 18:00:54 GMT
Really! Have the police released that information?.. No someone who resides in Southport LOL, right OK. |
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Post by wapentake on Jul 31, 2024 18:02:16 GMT
No someone who resides in Southport LOL, right OK. Well I believe them,it doesn’t really matter though it’s not a competition about who is right |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 31, 2024 18:15:29 GMT
Well I believe them,it doesn’t really matter though it’s not a competition about who is right I'm sure time will tell. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Jul 31, 2024 18:33:43 GMT
Referring to the legal definition of hate crimes when discussing hate crimes is pedantry? Ok...... My understanding of said legal definition is that shooting people from a mosque could well be a hate crime, it wouldn't automatically have to be however. Unless you think that only crimes with a legal definition of a ‘ hate’ crime contain hate then , yes it is pedantry. I think the legal definition is probably best when talking about laws. |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 31, 2024 18:36:41 GMT
Unless you think that only crimes with a legal definition of a ‘ hate’ crime contain hate then , yes it is pedantry. I think the legal definition is probably best when talking about laws. Only if you are incapable of questioning whether a ‘ hate’ law is the only law that addresses hate . |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Jul 31, 2024 18:39:07 GMT
I think the legal definition is probably best when talking about laws. Only if you are incapable of questioning whether a ‘ hate’ law is the only law that addresses hate . Hate crime laws are the only laws that address hate crimes. The clue is in the title. |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 31, 2024 18:44:16 GMT
Only if you are incapable of questioning whether a ‘ hate’ law is the only law that addresses hate . Hate crime laws are the only laws that address hate crimes. The clue is in the title. So you are saying that the only comes involving hate are the crimes defined by law as hate crimes ? Are you really that thick? |
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Post by patman post on Jul 31, 2024 19:00:52 GMT
Hate crime laws are the only laws that address hate crimes. The clue is in the title. So you are saying that the only comes involving hate are the crimes defined by law as hate crimes ? Are you really that thick? You’ve got him there — anyone would think that crimes involving stealing could be categorised as theft… |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 31, 2024 19:14:22 GMT
So you are saying that the only comes involving hate are the crimes defined by law as hate crimes ? Are you really that thick? You’ve got him there — anyone would think that crimes involving stealing could be categorised as theft… Unless you are as thick as I think you are. You might be able to think of crimes involving hate that are not defined as ‘ hate’ crimes . In fact hornet has pointed out that the definition of’ hate crime ‘ only applies in certain circumstances. So nil points for you .😁 |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Jul 31, 2024 19:42:18 GMT
Hate crime laws are the only laws that address hate crimes. The clue is in the title. So you are saying that the only comes involving hate are the crimes defined by law as hate crimes ? Are you really that thick? I never said that. I've simply pointed out the legal definition of a hate crime and the examples you gave earlier don't meet the criteria. |
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