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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 26, 2024 9:24:18 GMT
I'd guess a lot of people on this thread have never arrested a single person. I have arrested hundreds, maybe thousands, I lost count. Sometimes in situations like that where there is fast movement and fast reactions, keeping personal safety in mind. In various violent situations I have had to resort to hitting people with batons, once on the head, kicking people's legs away, punching them in the face, or using both approved restraint methods and unapproved headlocks. Anyone who has never been involved in a violent arrest doesn't really know Jack ****. We have become too soft in this country, particularly towards aggressive minorities. This is how you sort out an aggressive mob. No fucking about, no half measures.  |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 26, 2024 9:27:55 GMT
Well, if we can't trust Police Officers to appropriately evaluate a threat, in the moment, then those Police Officers are probably not up to the job. I think that's an idiotic standard that ignores reality. I feel, if someone assaults security in an airport, then they entirely loose any good faith assumption of 'not being a threat'I agree. Are then still a threat when they are face down on the ground, appear to be barely conscious, and surrounded by police with weapons pointed at them? All The Best |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 26, 2024 9:32:16 GMT
I think that's an idiotic standard that ignores reality. I feel, if someone assaults security in an airport, then they entirely loose any good faith assumption of 'not being a threat'I agree. Are then still a threat when they are face down on the ground, appear to be barely conscious, and surrounded by police with weapons pointed at them? All The Best Potentially. There was another person hanging over them. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 26, 2024 9:40:43 GMT
I'd guess a lot of people on this thread have never arrested a single person. I have arrested hundreds, maybe thousands, I lost count. Sometimes in situations like that where there is fast movement and fast reactions, keeping personal safety in mind. In various violent situations I have had to resort to hitting people with batons, once on the head, kicking people's legs away, punching them in the face, or using both approved restraint methods and unapproved headlocks. Anyone who has never been involved in a violent arrest doesn't really know Jack ****. That^^. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jul 26, 2024 9:49:43 GMT
I notice some of the mob who are demonstrating outside the police station in the islamic republic of Rochdale are holding banners which read 'No Justice No Peace'. When the next Pakistani grooming gang is exposed, and we all know we wont have to wait long, the whole country should rise up and demand justice for the thousands of children in this country who have been gang raped by British Pakistani or Pakistani heritage 'men'. Never in the history of this country has a minority been more determined not to integrate or fit in. islamic republic of Rochdale Really ? |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 26, 2024 9:49:55 GMT
I'd guess a lot of people on this thread have never arrested a single person. I have arrested hundreds, maybe thousands, I lost count. Sometimes in situations like that where there is fast movement and fast reactions, keeping personal safety in mind. In various violent situations I have had to resort to hitting people with batons, once on the head, kicking people's legs away, punching them in the face, or using both approved restraint methods and unapproved headlocks. Anyone who has never been involved in a violent arrest doesn't really know Jack ****. Stupid argument. I've never been raped, but I know rape is wrong. I've never been murdered, but I know murder is wrong. The suspect is face-down on the ground, looks to be barely conscious (does not try to defend himself from being kicked in the head), and surrounded by armed police. Explain, for those of us who "don't know jack shit" how he posed such a threat that kicking him in the head and them stamping on his head was in any way justifiable. Willing to bet you can't even get close. All The Best |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 26, 2024 9:53:50 GMT
I'd guess a lot of people on this thread have never arrested a single person. I have arrested hundreds, maybe thousands, I lost count. Sometimes in situations like that where there is fast movement and fast reactions, keeping personal safety in mind. In various violent situations I have had to resort to hitting people with batons, once on the head, kicking people's legs away, punching them in the face, or using both approved restraint methods and unapproved headlocks. Anyone who has never been involved in a violent arrest doesn't really know Jack ****. Stupid argument. I've never been raped, but I know rape is wrong. I've never been murdered, but I know murder is wrong. The suspect is face-down on the ground, looks to be barely conscious (does not try to defend himself from being kicked in the head), and surrounded by armed police. Explain, for those of us who "don't know jack shit" how he posed such a threat that kicking him in the head and them stamping on his head was in any way justifiable. Willing to bet you can't even get close. All The Best Well first you'd need to establish that your version of events actually happened, Nulla. Which so far you haven't. And of course if you'd ever been involved in a serious investigation you'd know that. But you clearly haven't because you clearly know Jack Shit. As usual, Nulla you wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on the arse. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 26, 2024 9:57:43 GMT
Stupid argument. I've never been raped, but I know rape is wrong. I've never been murdered, but I know murder is wrong. The suspect is face-down on the ground, looks to be barely conscious (does not try to defend himself from being kicked in the head), and surrounded by armed police. Explain, for those of us who "don't know jack shit" how he posed such a threat that kicking him in the head and them stamping on his head was in any way justifiable. Willing to bet you can't even get close. All The Best Well first you'd need to establish that your version of events actually happened, Nulla. Which so far you haven't. And of course if you'd ever been involved in a serious investigation you'd know that. But you clearly haven't because you clearly know Jack Shit. As usual, Nulla you wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on the arse. Erm, this: Is ALL verifiable from the videos in the public domain. All The Best |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 26, 2024 9:58:19 GMT
I notice some of the mob who are demonstrating outside the police station in the islamic republic of Rochdale are holding banners which read 'No Justice No Peace'. When the next Pakistani grooming gang is exposed, and we all know we wont have to wait long, the whole country should rise up and demand justice for the thousands of children in this country who have been gang raped by British Pakistani or Pakistani heritage 'men'. Never in the history of this country has a minority been more determined not to integrate or fit in. islamic republic of Rochdale Really ? Rochdale or Islamabad?  |
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Post by Totheleft on Jul 26, 2024 10:04:06 GMT
islamic republic of Rochdale Really ? Rochdale or Islamabad? Nope most certainly not what you know about Rochdale? |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 26, 2024 10:06:13 GMT
islamic republic of Rochdale Really ? Rochdale or Islamabad? This is from Rochdale too:  We can all find images to serve our own agendas. All The Best |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 26, 2024 10:07:25 GMT
Well first you'd need to establish that your version of events actually happened, Nulla. Which so far you haven't. And of course if you'd ever been involved in a serious investigation you'd know that. But you clearly haven't because you clearly know Jack Shit. As usual, Nulla you wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on the arse. Erm, this: Is ALL verifiable from the videos in the public domain. All The Best Except that not all of the videos are in the public domain. And even if they were, they aren't the whole story. |
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Post by bancroft on Jul 26, 2024 10:17:02 GMT
Well, if we can't trust Police Officers to appropriately evaluate a threat, in the moment, then those Police Officers are probably not up to the job. I think that's an idiotic standard that ignores reality. I feel, if someone assaults security in an airport, then they entirely loose any good faith assumption of 'not being a threat' It may be the police jumped on the wrong group, there might have been another group of Muslim looking men that attacked the WPCs as this group walk around the corner at the wrong time. If so this will be massive compensation, I recall back in the 90s the police shot to death in his car a civilian they thought was a criminal. Not even a warning. We just don't know but you bet now every officer that was a witness or attacked is now not on duty as they try to work out what happened as this has huge political ramifications. For the record if someone attacks an officer or a civilian with a knife or other weapon then I agree hard force is necessary yet these chaps had their hands up they had no weapons........... |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 26, 2024 10:22:47 GMT
We can all find images to serve our own agendas. All The Best LOL are you serious? I posted a pic depicting hundreds of Pakistanis demonstrating in the 'islamic republic of Rochdale', and you post a pic of a handful of white people! I'm unsure what your point is? Where's the pic of hundreds of white English people demonstrating in Pakistan?.. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 26, 2024 10:23:43 GMT
Erm, this: Is ALL verifiable from the videos in the public domain. All The Best Except that not all of the videos are in the public domain. And even if they were, they aren't the whole story. I never said they were, either all in the public domain, or the whole story. But unless some videos turn up showing his right arm suddenly move to defend against the kick in the head then it is plausible he was not fully conscious, which could be the result of being tazered. I doubt any videos are going to turn up showing him not face-down, as far as I am aware it is not possible for a person to be both face-down and not-face-down simultaneously. So it looks like both of those factors are reasonably fixed. There's certainly more than one PO visible, so unless one of those is a "magic reflection" or other illusory effect that looks pretty well sorted as well. So I have to ask. What do you think that other videos could show that refute one, or more, of the following: 1) The suspect was face-down on the ground 2) The suspect made no attempt to defend himself against the kick to the head. 3) The suspect had more that one Police Officer pointing weapons (including tazers) at him. Those are the ONLY three claims I have made. I concede we don't have the full picture of what led up to that exact moment. But again, I am not sure how what preceded that moment changes any of the material facts of that moment. All The Best |
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