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Post by ratcliff on Jul 10, 2024 11:40:18 GMT
Leaving aside the swift elevation of unaccountable unelected labour ministers to the Lords it seems that Starmer is elevating newbie labour MPs who are all nepo children or cronies to government jobs even before they are sworn in.
Repaying the favours?
It's been less than a week since they were elected to Parliament for the first time - but five of Labour's newbie MPs have already been given ministerial jobs.
Sir Keir Starmer last night made Georgia Gould, Miatta Fahnbulleh, Sarah Sackman, Alistair Carns and Kirsty McNeill members of his new Government.
Their appointments came even before they had officially been sworn in to the House of Commons
Ms Gould, 38, the new MP for Queen's Park and Maida Vale, ....She had been leader of Sir Keir's local Camden Council up until the general election and is the daughter of the late Philip Gould, who was a key adviser to Sir Tony Blair.Her mother Gail Rebuck sits on the Labour benches in the House of Lords and Ms Gould was once dubbed a 'red princess' as the offspring of leading Labour figures...........
Ms Fahnbulleh, 44, the new MP for Peckham, She previously worked in Gordon Brown's strategy unit in No10 and for Mr Miliband when he was Labour leader.
Ms Sackman, 39, the new MP for Finchley and Golders Green, ...She will deputise for new Attorney General Richard Hermer - her former colleague at Matrix Chambers ( Cherie Blair's chambers)- who was recently given a peerage by Sir Keir to enable him to join the Government.
Ms Sackman has known Wes Streeting, the Health Secretary, since they both attended Cambridge University together.
Mr Carns, 44, the new MP for Birmingham Selly Oak,....He is a former Royal Marine who was awarded a military cross in Afghanistan but quit the military in order to stand in the general election for Labour.
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Post by patman post on Jul 10, 2024 11:53:34 GMT
Are any of the above unfitted for their appointments?
For example, Colonel Alistair Scott Carns, OBE, MC seems to be a good choice for veterans minister...
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Post by witchfinder on Jul 10, 2024 12:07:52 GMT
There s a very long list of previous Conservative unelected ministers, and I guess the most recent would be Lord David Cameron.
Possibly the most famous in modern times was Lord Carrington
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Post by ratcliff on Jul 10, 2024 12:23:47 GMT
There s a very long list of previous Conservative unelected ministers, and I guess the most recent would be Lord David Cameron. Possibly the most famous in modern times was Lord Carrington Cameron had been elected and was a previous PM , unlike these newbie cronies Most famous in modern times surely must be labour's multiple resignation in disgrace Lord Mandy of dodgy mortgage and passports for cash fame who Brown made Business Secretary |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 10, 2024 12:26:54 GMT
Jobs for the boys.
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Post by ratcliff on Jul 10, 2024 12:38:27 GMT
Are any of the above unfitted for their appointments? For example, Colonel Alistair Scott Carns, OBE, MC seems to be a good choice for veterans minister... Labour has 13 ex forces MPs to choose from yet chose someone who left the military in a hurry to stand for Labour . Seems a lot to give up after 24 years and well on the road to become general Col Carns explained that within military regulations there is a mechanism for leaving relatively quickly in order to run as a parliamentary candidate.
"It must be a very careful decision because you leave fast and sometimes you sacrifice the fantastic benefits and rap that the military put in place to those are leaving on a more of a slower timeline," he explained.Alex Ballinger (Halesowen) - Officer, Royal Marines, two tours of Afghanistan Bayo Alaba (Southend East & Rochford) - JNCO, Parachute Regiment, Army Reserve Calvin Bailey (Leyton & Wanstead) - Pilot, Royal Air Force Clive Lewis (Norwich South) - Officer, 7 Rifles, Army Reserve, tour of Afghanistan Dan Jarvis (Barnsley North) - Major, Parachute Regiment Fred Thomas (Plymouth Moor View) - Captain, Royal Marines Helena Dollimore (Hastings & Rye) - Reservist Jenny Riddell-Carpenter (Suffolk Coastal) - Reservist Louise Jones (North East Derbyshire) - Officer, Intelligence Corps Al Carns (Birmingham Selly Oak) - Colonel, Royal Marines Mike Tapp (Dover) - Analyst, Intelligence Corps, three tours Paul Foster (South Ribble) - British Army, 15 years' service Will Stone (Swindon North) - JNCO, The Rifles |
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Post by patman post on Jul 10, 2024 13:04:27 GMT
Carns is one of the 13 on your list. So I assume he was thought worthy of consideration and ultimately the most suitable.
That’s also my assumption about the others named in your opening post…
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Post by witchfinder on Jul 10, 2024 13:12:10 GMT
No Minister is "unaccountable", they are all fully accountable to the Prime Minister, the Cabinet Secretary, the Cabinet, the whips, the respective leaders of The House of Lords and House of Commons, including the speakers amongst others.
A "Cronie" is not someone who is fully entitled to any particular position, as in for example a Conservative member of The Lords taking up a Conservative ministerial position.
Politically motivated appointments to non-political / non- governmental organisations such as the BBC would be appointing "Cronies", something that BOTH Labour and Tory governments have indulged in.
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Post by ratcliff on Jul 10, 2024 13:47:43 GMT
Carns is one of the 13 on your list. So I assume he was thought worthy of consideration and ultimately the most suitable. That’s also my assumption about the others named in your opening post…
That’s also my assumption about the others named in your opening post…Ultimately , implies after careful consideration of 400+ cvs The polls closed at 10pm on 4 July , declarations weren't in till 5th July , appointed on 9th July That's some fast track crony/nepo VIP line |
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Post by ratcliff on Jul 10, 2024 13:51:32 GMT
No Minister is "unaccountable", they are all fully accountable to the Prime Minister, the Cabinet Secretary, the Cabinet, the whips, the respective leaders of The House of Lords and House of Commons, including the speakers amongst others. A "Cronie" is not someone who is fully entitled to any particular position, as in for example a Conservative member of The Lords taking up a Conservative ministerial position. Politically motivated appointments to non-political / non- governmental organisations such as the BBC would be appointing "Cronies", something that BOTH Labour and Tory governments have indulged in. Can an elected MP question an unelected minister who is a Lord in the Commons and have it recorded in Hansard for posterity? No? That makes them unaccountable |
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Post by patman post on Jul 10, 2024 13:55:53 GMT
Carns is one of the 13 on your list. So I assume he was thought worthy of consideration and ultimately the most suitable. That’s also my assumption about the others named in your opening post…
That’s also my assumption about the others named in your opening post…Ultimately , implies after careful consideration of 400+ cvs The polls closed at 10pm on 4 July , declarations weren't in till 5th July , appointed on 9th July That's some fast track crony/nepo VIP line That's a new administration, having prepared for many eventualities, hitting the ground running... |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 10, 2024 14:01:31 GMT
ultimately the most suitable.
That’s also my assumption about the others named in your opening post…Ultimately , implies after careful consideration of 400+ cvs The polls closed at 10pm on 4 July , declarations weren't in till 5th July , appointed on 9th July That's some fast track crony/nepo VIP line That's a new administration, having prepared for many eventualities, hitting the ground running... Yes on that positive note they are moving apace. To where and what they are moving apace to of course is the worrying aspect. |
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Post by witchfinder on Jul 10, 2024 14:06:17 GMT
No Minister is "unaccountable", they are all fully accountable to the Prime Minister, the Cabinet Secretary, the Cabinet, the whips, the respective leaders of The House of Lords and House of Commons, including the speakers amongst others. A "Cronie" is not someone who is fully entitled to any particular position, as in for example a Conservative member of The Lords taking up a Conservative ministerial position. Politically motivated appointments to non-political / non- governmental organisations such as the BBC would be appointing "Cronies", something that BOTH Labour and Tory governments have indulged in. Can an elected MP question an unelected minister who is a Lord in the Commons and have it recorded in Hansard for posterity? No? That makes them unaccountable An elected MP who asks a question of an unelected Minister in the House of Lords, can, if they so choose, make a complaint against that Minister, if the Minister refuses to answer to, or reply to that question, providing it is a relevant question. Of course Ministers are accountable, no matter which of the two houses they sit, there have always been Ministers in the House of Lords, under all governments. Another subject about nothing |
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Post by patman post on Jul 10, 2024 15:49:54 GMT
That's a new administration, having prepared for many eventualities, hitting the ground running... Yes on that positive note they are moving apace. To where and what they are moving apace to of course is the worrying aspect. Time to worry when we note problems. So far, establishing personal links with the devolved administrations, meeting NHS representatives, presenting plans that seem to be keeping the markets happy, etc, are all to the good — and in under a week… |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2024 16:26:50 GMT
That's a new administration, having prepared for many eventualities, hitting the ground running... Yes on that positive note they are moving apace. To where and what they are moving apace to of course is the worrying aspect. Especially when the Hamas supporters are backing the Labour scum. |
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